Total-Football
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The stadium looks epic.. but those 3 big screen look a bit off.. the real madrid 360° is much much more appealing .
serghei
Senior Member
Jokes aside, they only mounted like 60-70% of the seats for the partial oppening, not all of them.
360 degree scoreboard looks nicer but other than visuals, not much real benefit. In Madrid's stadium, much of the space in that elongated long 360 scoreboard is useless and filled with colors, that's about it.
The only world class addition for new Bernabeu is the roof, that's impressive, because full metal structure is superior to cable tension based roofs in anything but cost of maintenance.
I think interior work is gonna be vital on the New Camp Nou personally. The outside and inside overall aspect of it is spot on (pending on how those ceramic strips will look in real life in terms of fitment, since on Bernabeu those metal plates ended up looking miles off from digital renders, making the facade look plain and boring imo). But they need to make sure the interiors look nice.
Also quite hilarious that on Bernabeu renders they made it seem like those metal plates could be used to project pictures on, but in the real project, it's basically a common metal cage. Massive copout.
360 degree scoreboard looks nicer but other than visuals, not much real benefit. In Madrid's stadium, much of the space in that elongated long 360 scoreboard is useless and filled with colors, that's about it.
The only world class addition for new Bernabeu is the roof, that's impressive, because full metal structure is superior to cable tension based roofs in anything but cost of maintenance.
I think interior work is gonna be vital on the New Camp Nou personally. The outside and inside overall aspect of it is spot on (pending on how those ceramic strips will look in real life in terms of fitment, since on Bernabeu those metal plates ended up looking miles off from digital renders, making the facade look plain and boring imo). But they need to make sure the interiors look nice.
Also quite hilarious that on Bernabeu renders they made it seem like those metal plates could be used to project pictures on, but in the real project, it's basically a common metal cage. Massive copout.
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serghei
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There's some downgrades from the initial designs on Camp Nou also. For example, the rails on the initial designs on those promenade decks were transparent glass ones. Far better and more advanced than a tipical metal rail. No doubt far more expensive also and more technically difficult to mount.
Windhook
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I expect the rebuild will go over budget as it happens in most cases.
Real Madrid spent 1/3 of the budget (from what I've read) on the retractable pitch and roof. We don't have those extras and we are likely to spend the same amount as Real Madrid. You'd ask why, my guess is Bernabeu started the project in 2019 and post-Ukraine invasion in 2022 cost of construction and materials went sky-high. I can speak from my own experience with a couple of projects.
Real Madrid spent 1/3 of the budget (from what I've read) on the retractable pitch and roof. We don't have those extras and we are likely to spend the same amount as Real Madrid. You'd ask why, my guess is Bernabeu started the project in 2019 and post-Ukraine invasion in 2022 cost of construction and materials went sky-high. I can speak from my own experience with a couple of projects.
serghei
Senior Member
Madrid didn't do any actual demolishing, foundation work, parking, if I remember well. Mostly covered the old structure with that metallic shell in terms of outside work for example. Our project is completely different, in the sense that the funds are directed on different things.
Windhook
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Yes, they didn't go ground zero on Bernabeu. Well technically Camp Nou's fundament on first tier was kept as well from what I remember.
Madrid have an issue with space, Bernabeu being located at city center of Madrid. One of the reasons they can't expand capacity beyond 85 000. Some recent attendees have voiced how loud the atmosphere gets once the roof is closed. From that point not everything fancy shmancy has its advantages.
Madrid have an issue with space, Bernabeu being located at city center of Madrid. One of the reasons they can't expand capacity beyond 85 000. Some recent attendees have voiced how loud the atmosphere gets once the roof is closed. From that point not everything fancy shmancy has its advantages.
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serghei
Senior Member
Yeah, but there's still a huge amount of building from the ground up + the parking structure. Much more of the funds are going to new concrete structures as opposed to some more tech stuff like retractable roof and that underground pitch stuff.
Plus, our stadium has a much wider footprint I think. Bernabeu is more vertical. Camp Nou is more spread out. There's massive new structure even on tier 1 + 2. Baiscally the older structure is absorbed into the new structure.
Based on the design, everything that is built in terms of double VIP ring + new third tier doesn't sit on the old structure from levels 1 + 2. That part was demolished as well.
serghei
Senior Member
I believe all in all the funds are directed very well to the most important things. I see no point in a retractable pitch tbh (most of the world tours from famous bands capable to draw 80-100k crowds are usually scheduled in the summer), and the roof, even if it would've been nice to be metallic, with lots of rigid beams instead of cables, that would've been insanely expensive because the open area needing cover above the 3rd stand is crazy wide. Camp nou is more like a bowl with a growing diameter the higher you go. Cables are the best option considering this limitation.
Windhook
Well-known member
Yeah. First tier was just a side note in my comment. Barca had to start from zero and that's the big difference in budgets. Frankly I'm against those spaceship 360 scoreboards. Unnecessary distraction to me.
Camp Nou is wider as per city planning. Bernabeu is narrow and they squeeze the maximum of that space.
serghei
Senior Member
Yeah, let's hope they don't cheap out on finishings. The design is simple and minimalistic, so any half-assed effort that may appear in the finishing area is gonna stick out badly. There's no glitz to hide it or help take your eyes off from.
I know the design is from a Japanese Architecture Company. That's exactly their style. Simple timeless designs in the vein of minimalism, but finished to perfection.
I know the design is from a Japanese Architecture Company. That's exactly their style. Simple timeless designs in the vein of minimalism, but finished to perfection.
Maradona37
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I could never work construction due to my debilitating fear of heights. Kudos to them.
Loki
Well-known member
Same. It's not a specific fear of hights for me, but I'm simply uncomfortable to be at a place a human can't survive. Like high up, or under water. I tell myself I don't have wings or fish gills, so no need for me to be there
Maradona37
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Jeez, now you mention it I am probably even more scared of being stuck under water with limited oxygen.Same. It's not a specific fear of hights for me, but I'm simply uncomfortable to be at a place a human can't survive. Like high up, or under water. I tell myself I don't have wings or fish gills, so no need for me to be there
I watched the film 'Last Breath' recently, and it was scary. It's based on a true story, and is about a guy who fixes gas pipelines in the North Sea, and he ends up getting stuck down there and has no oxygen for almost half an hour. Amazingly, his crew got him back and he survived with no permanent damage. How can someone survive half an hour of oxygen starvation?
But yeah, these places aren't places any human should be. Same with space - I could never do that either.
Then there's stuff like skydiving and bungee jumping - not for me sir.
I am very happy to live a non-daredevil life lol.
draconifire
NTC with a Positive attitude
Third-party video. Looks quite incomplete; don't think we will play there in 2025.
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