JamDav1982
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No.. far superior player and it isnt close.
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11 - Raphinha
- Thread starter Barcaman
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He's missed games against the bigger teams through injury? And?.
If their is one player in our team that has nothing to prove in big games,in clutch moments is raphinha.
That line doesn't even compute, if it was someone who had a suspect record against the best or when we needed him most I could get that line of argument.
If their is one player in our team that has nothing to prove in big games,in clutch moments is raphinha.
That line doesn't even compute, if it was someone who had a suspect record against the best or when we needed him most I could get that line of argument.
No.. far superior player and it isnt close.
I don't care that much about superior player, all I care about is the club and how available players can help us.
I'd say Yamal is a more valuable, better player than Raphinha, sure. Younger, rarer to find in terms of profile, but judging importance depends heavily on available squad.
And Raphinha is most critical for us, with no replacement. His influence is too big, spreading on too many areas, from goals, to runs, to pressing, literally everything. Captain also, leader in attitude on the pitch. His influence is all-encompassing.
Without doubt I'd rather have Lamine missing vs AM than Raphinha if I was left to choose between two bad scenarios.
JamDav1982
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Yamal out is far bigger impact.
The likes of Raphinha and other attackers get far more space and time due to teams focusing on Yamal.
If Yamal is out then it would be Raphinha RW and Rashord LW most likely and that is not even close to being as effective as Yamal and Rashford LW.
Yamal provides far the bigger influence of the two.
Yamal is better player on ball by far.. Yamal has better defensive stats this season.
It isnt close.
Can see in biggest games under Flick who is the more important quite clearly and who is more fundamental to the team.
All you are doing is comparing Raphinha impact WITH Yamal not what team is like when one of the two not there.
The likes of Raphinha and other attackers get far more space and time due to teams focusing on Yamal.
If Yamal is out then it would be Raphinha RW and Rashord LW most likely and that is not even close to being as effective as Yamal and Rashford LW.
Yamal provides far the bigger influence of the two.
Yamal is better player on ball by far.. Yamal has better defensive stats this season.
It isnt close.
Can see in biggest games under Flick who is the more important quite clearly and who is more fundamental to the team.
All you are doing is comparing Raphinha impact WITH Yamal not what team is like when one of the two not there.
No, it's not. Defensively, Raphinha out is far more damaging than Lamine, by a long way. Raphinha is also far more speculative, stronger player, more powerful shot. Could score a goal out of nothing.
Like vs Benfica. Some random pass he reads, first touch, bam, goal from 30 meters, 1-0 in 10 men, conditions the whole tie from that moment forward.
Like vs Benfica. Some random pass he reads, first touch, bam, goal from 30 meters, 1-0 in 10 men, conditions the whole tie from that moment forward.
JamDav1982
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Raphinha over presses a lot and folk lap it up it is a plus and a minus at times as can leave team open and him knackered.
Yamal as said has far better defensive stats this season in winning ball back
Benfica where Pedri and Frenkie were by far the best players on park and Raphinha scores a late deflection.
What either player brings to team 'out of nothing'.. it is Yamal by a long long way.
Yamal as said has far better defensive stats this season in winning ball back
Benfica where Pedri and Frenkie were by far the best players on park and Raphinha scores a late deflection.
What either player brings to team 'out of nothing'.. it is Yamal by a long long way.
Raphinha over presses a lot and folk lap it up it is a plus and a minus at times as can leave team open and him knackered.
Yamal as said has far better defensive stats this season in winning ball back
Benfica where Pedri and Frenkie were by far the best players on park and Raphinha scores a late deflection.
How many goals and assists Raphinha and Lamine delivered in big games to date. Let's say AM, Madrid in the league, Copa, Supercup, and CL knockouts?
End product without involving one of the two.
I'm fairly sure Raphinha produces more goals without involving Lamine, than Lamine does without involving Raphinha.
As said, things would be very different if Lamine would have some other elite off the ball player in the squad, but without Raphinha, he has no one but grandpa Lewa, mentally frail Torres, and lazy Rashford.
JamDav1982
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Yamal not on pitch and Raphinha cant play that free role/second striker from left and would have to try and do job of a wide player.
Yamal is by far the bigger miss to the team and has far more strings to his bow teams need.
Lewa scores more than Yamal... Ferran probably has better goals per minute..
None of them a patch on Yamal or as important.
Yamal is by far the bigger miss to the team and has far more strings to his bow teams need.
Lewa scores more than Yamal... Ferran probably has better goals per minute..
None of them a patch on Yamal or as important.
Most important players for Barcelona
Yamal, raphinha, Pedri.
Can't separate them, they are all equally important and offer something equally something different.
After that we have joan Garcia.
Everyone after that is kind of plug & play, you can swap & switch without much if an impact on our results.
Cubarsi is fast becoming number 5 but he needs one more season.
Most talented yamal obviouslym
Yamal, raphinha, Pedri.
Can't separate them, they are all equally important and offer something equally something different.
After that we have joan Garcia.
Everyone after that is kind of plug & play, you can swap & switch without much if an impact on our results.
Cubarsi is fast becoming number 5 but he needs one more season.
Most talented yamal obviouslym
JamDav1982
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Haha no
Yamal has been far far ahead of Pedri this season.
Frenkie is in there also clearly as one of most important.
Seen it last season and can see how delighted Pedri was to have him back on pitch yesterday.
Yamal has been far far ahead of Pedri this season.
Frenkie is in there also clearly as one of most important.
Seen it last season and can see how delighted Pedri was to have him back on pitch yesterday.
Say we did manage to sign Luiz Diaz instead of Rashford by some miracle. This would change the entire discussion. Then Raphinha missing would not be such a disaster. Luis Diaz - Lamine would be a better working duo than Raphinha - Luis Diaz.
It all depends on the squad you have. The profile of Raphinha is most critical under Flick. When that profile is missing, it conditions everything.
It all depends on the squad you have. The profile of Raphinha is most critical under Flick. When that profile is missing, it conditions everything.
JamDav1982
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No.. Yamal is clearly more critical.
He is the only dribbler in team and by far the most creative player while scoring 20+ goals as the players opposition double up on and others have more space.
In this squad if Yamal out it would most likely be Raphinha RW and Rash LW and that is nowhere near as effective as Yamal RW and Rashord LW.
He is the only dribbler in team and by far the most creative player while scoring 20+ goals as the players opposition double up on and others have more space.
In this squad if Yamal out it would most likely be Raphinha RW and Rash LW and that is nowhere near as effective as Yamal RW and Rashord LW.
No.. Yamal is clearly more critical.
He is the only dribbler in team and by far the most creative player while scoring 20+ goals as the players opposition double up on and others have more space.
In this squad if Yamal out it would most likely be Raphinha RW and Rash LW and that is nowhere near as effective as Yamal RW and Rashord LW.
Yes, but there's many ways to create actions that don't depend on a magical dribbler taking out 2-3 players. And we've seen this. Lamine sit out vs Bilbao in Supercup semi, and we scored 4 goals in 30 mins.
JamDav1982
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Pedri has even been that great these season overall to date.
Has had a ton of poor games and folk trip over themselves to blame others or say how tired he is.
Has had a ton of poor games and folk trip over themselves to blame others or say how tired he is.
JamDav1982
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Yes, but there's many ways to create actions that don't depend on a magical dribbler taking out 2-3 players. And we've seen this. Lamine sit out vs Bilbao in Supercup semi, and we scored 4 goals in 30 mins.
There is not an argument that Barca would lose every game when any player out.
Barca are better than a poor Bilbao this season without Yamal.
There's no 3-4 critical players in the team, the list is just extended to include fan favorite Pedri. There's just 2 who can't be missing, and we know who these are. Midfield control was never a big thing under Flick.
Pedri is not even essential for Spain btw. They had no issues winning Euro in style after he got injured. Pedri doesn't have the pace to really be an irreplaceable player in big games.
Pedri is not even essential for Spain btw. They had no issues winning Euro in style after he got injured. Pedri doesn't have the pace to really be an irreplaceable player in big games.
JamDav1982
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Midfielders are huge under Flick and he does want to control it there.
Saw that in the CL ties last season. Have seen it in the bogger games won this season.
The two deep midfielders at Barca are asked to dominate ball as well as do more defensive work than probably any other midfield pair in Europe.
Saw that in the CL ties last season. Have seen it in the bogger games won this season.
The two deep midfielders at Barca are asked to dominate ball as well as do more defensive work than probably any other midfield pair in Europe.
Midfielders are huge under Flick.
Saw that in the CL ties last season. Have seen it in the bogger games won this season.
The two deep midfielders at Barca are asked to dominate ball as well as do more defensive work than probably any other midfield pair in Europe.
It is manageable with one player missing in midfield.
JamDav1982
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Nah I say Raphinha is one of most important players.
Funny to see Jamrock think he has a clue when claims Gavi is more important than Pedri and likes of Casado a top player.
Claiming Pedri is worse deeper than likes of Gavi and Barca simply had to keep Gunodgan.
Funny to see Jamrock think he has a clue when claims Gavi is more important than Pedri and likes of Casado a top player.
Claiming Pedri is worse deeper than likes of Gavi and Barca simply had to keep Gunodgan.