Ansu Fati
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thestig
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He'll go on loan again so he gets his cake and eat it too. We pay the ridiculous wage and send him on loan so he can play too. No way he'll accept a transfer where he would earn a fraction of his current wage, why would he if Deco gives this kind of deals to everybody? Excatly the same happened a couple of times with Ansu, Umtiti, Lenglet, MATS already. We prefer to pay the our has beens instead of trying to force them out. Charity FC
Khaled_a_d
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Lenglet left for free, Umtiti gave up money for that too.
Fati is 23 who wants to play, he could have earned more in Saudi. He has a chance to continue playing in top 5 leagues, and his current club whom he already agreed a deal with, wants him to stay.
Fati is 23 who wants to play, he could have earned more in Saudi. He has a chance to continue playing in top 5 leagues, and his current club whom he already agreed a deal with, wants him to stay.
thestig
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Still don't know why Monaco would pay anything for him if they know they can get him for free with Barca paying his wages again.
Khaled_a_d
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Because atm he has a value, unlike the rest of the names you mentioned. And if things go well, they can sell him again.
ajnotkeith
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Again though, he only has 871 minutes in the league, despite being available for most games and playing well, he's only coming off the bench.
Without having followed Monaco, I would assume that its because he is not fit enough to regularly start games, by his numbers, he would be more than able to play based on his ability.
So for teams signing him he would be more of a super sub for the foreseeable future because of his physical condition.
Without having followed Monaco, I would assume that its because he is not fit enough to regularly start games, by his numbers, he would be more than able to play based on his ability.
So for teams signing him he would be more of a super sub for the foreseeable future because of his physical condition.
No they changed managers & that coached dropped him to the bench, he was a starter before.
This coach didn't play him much at the start but to fati's credit he worked & forced himself back into contention.
Even a 70% fati is too good to not play at all for the likes on Monaco, coach was just a dick head to him and pogba.
thestig
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That doesn't answer my question, why would Monaco pay even if that is true? And it isn't, he had a better season then previous years but nothing special. He didn't have a good enough season that anybody would offer him the same wage as we did even if we let him go for free.
ajnotkeith
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El Mónaco dice 'sí' a Ansu Fati pero con condiciones
A pesar no haber encontrado su mejor versión, aquella que encandiló en el Barça, Ansu Fati tiene convencido al AS Mónaco después de 25 partidos, 9 goles y de ser uno
MD indicates that Monaco are willing to trigger the buy option (11 million euros) but want him to significantly reduce his wages, or else, for us to cover part of his wages.
In reality the transfer fee here is almost symbolic. 11 million is probably as low as it will go, the real sticking point here is over the wages, and a transfer fee adjustment is unlikely to change anything. His wage is 14 million gross per year, so lowering the fee or making it free still won't give them the reduction they are looking for, assuming a 4 or 5 year contract.
The deal isn't possible without him either reducing his wages or us covering some.
Joan
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I think that's not the case. He extended the contract from 2027 to 2028 and agreed to spread his salary if I'm not forgetting some details. That would bring it down from 14m to 9,3m gross.El Mónaco dice 'sí' a Ansu Fati pero con condiciones
A pesar no haber encontrado su mejor versión, aquella que encandiló en el Barça, Ansu Fati tiene convencido al AS Mónaco después de 25 partidos, 9 goles y de ser unowww.mundodeportivo.com
MD indicates that Monaco are willing to trigger the buy option (11 million euros) but want him to significantly reduce his wages, or else, for us to cover part of his wages.
In reality the transfer fee here is almost symbolic. 11 million is probably as low as it will go, the real sticking point here is over the wages, and a transfer fee adjustment is unlikely to change anything. His wage is 14 million gross per year, so lowering the fee or making it free still won't give them the reduction they are looking for, assuming a 4 or 5 year contract.
The deal isn't possible without him either reducing his wages or us covering some.
Monaco currently covers 50% of his wages (4,65m per annum), so if Barca reduced the fee it could help cover his wages until 2028 under the current model. Of course, after 2028 he's expected to take a pay cut but that's got to be obvious to everyone by now.
Barca must stand firm and refuse to be leveraged into another loan deal if there are permanent offers on the table. Push Fati to make a permanent decision.
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Khaled_a_d
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I answered the question, you are refusing to listen.
You don't agree a buy option without agreeing salaries with the player. The player wants out and wants to move on from his career. Another loan isn't helping in that. He needs more stability and he knows pay cut is inevitable and he already oroved he is willing to do it.
I didn't say his season is special, but it is solid enough for a player of that transfer fee, special U23 players in France are closer to 80M than 11M.
If they bluff, he will have other offers. We have leverage too
ajnotkeith
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Cadena SER says Monaco are already paying him 250k a week net, and that isn't including the large part of his salary we pay. Reading in Spanish it's clear the journalist is saying that Monaco is paying this amount. I initially thought he may be confusing Fati's full salary with the part Monaco pay (even though he has made a clear distinction between what Monaco and Barca pay), but even then, his salary would be minimum 14 million a year. What this article is saying is his salary is actually higher than that, and maybe by a significant amount.
Seems unbelievable, but I wouldn't be surprised. The full details of his contract aren't public and there have been various estimates. This is the highest I've seen (it would put his full wage at 350-400k a week) but whatever it is, it is prohibitively high.
It is possible because of the deferment that the amount paid to him will increase at some point, and that's the reason for this?
Given his deal with us runs only till 2028 he's going to have to take one eventually anyway like you say, whether he runs his contract down or not. Our focus now should be getting the best terms for us ;
- A small fee would be nice, but the priority should be getting him to leave with good buyback terms/sell on fee, which is where we would make some good money if he manages to stay fit.
ajnotkeith
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His deal with us will expire in 2028 though so he'll have to make a decision soon. He probably wants to move on as well, I doubt he will run down his contract just for a season of higher wages.
Especially now he's showing good performance so we will have other clubs interested who can come close to his wage demands.
MonteCuler
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Nah the new manager just doesn't trust him. If Hutter stayed Ansu would have likely played a lot more this season. I reckon if Barca knew the new manager would come they wouldn't even send him there
thestig
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There is absolutly no indication he wants out of our contract and that he is willing to lower his salary. Time will tell but I'm very confident Ansu will get another loan with us paying his full wages at least for another season, probably two. It makes total sense for both Ansu and Monaco while Barca is happy to be a cuck who pays our players to play elsewhere. We did it multiple time, we'll do it again and Laporta/Deco lovers will present it as a win.
I'm strongly against it but we know how this board works if we want to see it. If it would be up to me only a permanent transfer is an option otherwise stay and play Copa Catalunya.
Khaled_a_d
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Fati has already declined Saudi offer for bigger money, and divided his wages on 3 years instead of two. He publicly spoke about how he hated last year here, he agreed a deal with Monaco that has buyout clause.
What other indications do you need?
What other indications do you need?
Khaled_a_d
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it isn't for good, he will get a longer contract and prolonged career. And will be also betting on his ability to move on with his career.
