Deco

The best barometer of a scouting department is does the investments you make on footballers increase or decrease in value over time? At present, we are practically begging clubs to take Ferran and Kounde off us for lower than we paid for them, and both are still in their prime.

That is absolutely bs.

Barca entire model is about maximising talents internally for their own benefit, in every category. From La Masia to B team to first team. That entire model in itself is against monetizing your own players, and losing them only when you don't see a way of them working out.

To make scouting about value increase or decrease is nonsense. Barca in the 80's and 90's managed to make massive sales, and they were shit as a club and suffered a lot.

We aren't begging anyone to take Kounde or Torres from us, they are both players that are really valued well inside the club. Both easily recoup us money and profit if they were willing to leave and we are willing to sell. Especially in different year like past summer.
 
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I think we need to adapt fast if after Joao Pedro, and Alvarez, Kroupi is a hard one to pull also. Make Ferran no1 and sign a no9 competitor. A plan B striker that can get at the end of crosses like Lewandowski did even last season.

And invest the money in defense please. A more defensive minded midfielder wouldn't hurt either.

Maybe Vlahovic ain't a bad option at this point if his wages aren't too big.
 
I think we need to adapt fast if after Joao Pedro, and Alvarez, Kroupi is a hard one to pull also. Make Ferran no1 and sign a no9 competitor. A plan B striker that can get at the end of crosses like Lewandowski did even last season.

And invest the money in defense please. A more defensive minded midfielder wouldn't hurt either.

Maybe Vlahovic ain't a bad option at this point if his wages aren't too big.

I think Adeyemi will get significant minutes at no9. If Torres stays I think they might use both as no9.
Vlahovic is a wild card, but there is a reason he is still FA while we are almost in August, despite no World Cup. If he is willing to sign a short term contract, he might make sense.
 
That is absolutely bs.

Barca entire model is about maximising talents internally for their own benefit, in every category. From La Masia to B team to first team. That entire model in itself is against monetizing your own players, and losing them only when you don't see a way of them working out.

To make scouting about value increase or decrease is nonsense. Barca in the 80's and 90's managed to make massive sales, and they were shit as a club and suffered a lot.

We aren't begging anyone to take Kounde or Torres from us, they are both players that are really valued well inside the club. Both easily recoup us money and profit if they were willing to leave and we are willing to sell. Especially in different year like past summer.

If you deliberately misconstrue my comment so you can make a counter argument then of course it is ' absolutely BS '.

Of course the main OBJECTIVE of our scouting department buying players is to increase performance out on the pitch. I just simplified evaluating this by taking out the subjectivity of whether Player X has performed better than his transfer fee by relating this to rise/fall in transfer value.

Of course I am not suggesting that Barca is, or should become a 'buy to sell higher' football club like Bournemouth or Brighton.

Liverpool could have made a profit of 200m Euros if they had sold Mane, Salah and Firmino in their prime. Barca have 3 players in their prime now ( Jules, Ferran, Frenk ), that despite what you say, they have NEVER had the opportunity to sell at a profit, bar some vague rumours that lasted 1 month of Chelsea wanting to buy Jules for circa 90m. Isn't it fair then, considering that is just 3 of numerous examples I gave, to say that is a fair BAROMETER to conclude that Liverpool's Scouting has been far superior to ours in the last decade?

And again, when I said we, I was talking about the FANS begging Jules and Ferran to be sold for losses. There will be cartwheels of joy here if we manage to get back 80m of the 120m that was paid for them. You seem to think Barca will somehow make a profit on them when/if they sell them. I disagree.

You are free to name me players that Barca have bought in the recent past for modest fees from modest clubs that benefited us as much as Salah, Mane, Robertson, Van Dijk, Allison, Fabinho, Henderson, Wijnaldum, Jota, Gravenberch and McAllister did for Liverpool.
 
I think Adeyemi will get significant minutes at no9. If Torres stays I think they might use both as no9.
Vlahovic is a wild card, but there is a reason he is still FA while we are almost in August, despite no World Cup. If he is willing to sign a short term contract, he might make sense.

Are you confident with Ferran and Adeyemi as the only no9s?

I am not. Basically we are waiving away the advantage of a 9 that can dominate in the air. Don't wanna see any Araujo hero no9 moments needing a goal.

What about when we will face parked buses, teams sitting back and putting many bodies in the box?

We may agree Lewandowski due to age was heavily diminished in terms of speed, workrate, runs off the ball, but we scored goals from his pure no9 skillset, goals that brought points. We need to have that covered, doesn't have to be expensive player but he should be there.
 
Hamza AbdelHaaland

He's probably not ready to regularly feature in the first team but for that scenario I'd go with him and I think he could be successful. He's scoring headers in cantera for fun. Better than throwing CBs in front for sure.
 
Hamza AbdelHaaland

He's probably not ready to regularly feature in the first team but for that scenario I'd go with him and I think he could be successful. He's scoring headers in cantera for fun. Better than throwing CBs in front for sure.

Is he strong and good in the air at least?
 
Yes exactly that, didn't you see his goals since he came? That's probably his main (only?) strength.

I'm not saying he should start or play many minutes, he's probably not on the level (yet). But I would go with him when we're chasing result, opponent can't get out of their own box and we have no idea how to break them.
 
I have no idea about him. I think he played some 10 mins at the World Cup and barely touched the ball, but seemed fairly agile.
 
And again, when I said we, I was talking about the FANS begging Jules and Ferran to be sold for losses. There will be cartwheels of joy here if we manage to get back 80m of the 120m that was paid for them. You seem to think Barca will somehow make a profit on them when/if they sell them. I disagree.

Fans are mute point, fans wants players out when they aren't satisfied, that means it is the worst moments to sell. Of course if you look at the worst time to sell, it will look like bad value.

Last year, both Ferran or Kounde could have fetched bigger money than what we paid for, Frenkie would have been sold for profit in 2022 (3 years after joining) if he accepted Manu offer.
 
Fans don't matter in this case. Everyone was happy almost when Coutinho came. When players come in for big money, fans are happy usually, and hopeful, because stuff happens. This doesn't stop some players from flopping.

Best is to make projections regarding players in and out based on multiple factors that fans usually don't know or can only speculate on. And not only evaluate their football qualities, but also their personalities and their work ethic.

We tend to sell players too late, usually because we get attached to them and overestimate their quality. Club is emotional in this aspect, and not cutthroat enough.
 
Are you confident with Ferran and Adeyemi as the only no9s?

I am not. Basically we are waiving away the advantage of a 9 that can dominate in the air. Don't wanna see any Araujo hero no9 moments needing a goal.

What about when we will face parked buses, teams sitting back and putting many bodies in the box?

We may agree Lewandowski due to age was heavily diminished in terms of speed, workrate, runs off the ball, but we scored goals from his pure no9 skillset, goals that brought points. We need to have that covered, doesn't have to be expensive player but he should be there.

CB playing CF for crosses in Barca is a story from Crujif's time at least. Pique has done ton of it, and so is Araujo and will continue to do so if he stays.

CF who is good in the air is nice if he is good enough to be at least part time starter like Lewandowski, if he isn't, he isn't worth it if a CB can do the job.

Considering Alvarez is 1.7m, I feel the club is having the same sentiment.
Adeyemi is 1.8m, Ferran Torres is 1.82 btw


Regarding Hamza: he is great in the air, but I am skeptical tbh. He looks years away from first team. He shows clear limitations coming from a fairly bad academy like Ahly (they hoard talents but they aren't that good in developing them IMO).
Also, he is listed at 1.82m, same exact height as Ferran Torres. It felt like he might be taller but watching him beside Gerard Martin (1.86m) in the team photo in preseason, he is clearly shorter.
He has great leaping ability, as his family were all NT volleyball players, but against defenses with 1.9m CB and his inexperience I am not sure he will be able to be useful so early, hopefully I am wrong though.
 
CB playing CF for crosses in Barca is a story from Crujif's time at least. Pique has done ton of it, and so is Araujo and will continue to do so if he stays.

CF who is good in the air is nice if he is good enough to be at least part time starter like Lewandowski, if he isn't, he isn't worth it if a CB can do the job.

Considering Alvarez is 1.7m, I feel the club is having the same sentiment.
Adeyemi is 1.8m, Ferran Torres is 1.82 btw


Regarding Hamza: he is great in the air, but I am skeptical tbh. He looks years away from first team. He shows clear limitations coming from a fairly bad academy like Ahly (they hoard talents but they aren't that good in developing them IMO).
Also, he is listed at 1.82m, same exact height as Ferran Torres. It felt like he might be taller but watching him beside Gerard Martin (1.86m) in the team photo in preseason, he is clearly shorter.
He has great leaping ability, as his family were all NT volleyball players, but against defenses with 1.9m CB and his inexperience I am not sure he will be able to be useful so early, hopefully I am wrong though.
hamza is not 1.82m no chance man
 
1.82m would give me some hope in Hamza. Strikers needs to have some mobility. I hate these big, stiff ones (eg Ibrahimovic), who coincidentally also fail horribly in CL. But yeah, his ground game looks shit for now. But definitely looks a better talent than Guiu.
 
I knew this transfer season would be a disappointment the moment we didn’t take no from Atletico regarding Alvarez. Drawing out the saga gave Deco an excuse to not make other signings
 
You’ve been tap dancing so hard. Take a break
I'm literally the only objective person in this thread :lol:

It is not a matter of opinion, but a fact. That he can get all of these deals done in what's left of this transfer window

So what exactly are you complaining about? Be patient

It's you guys who are trying too hard to find a reason to shit on Deco
 
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