João Pedro

Bojan Krkic senior says Pedro’s a better bet than Alvarez for Barcelona.

Seems Bojan is for Joao. And I agree with him.
Joao Pedro is an ideal candidate for us. Will be much cheaper than Alvarez, is much taller, and his build is more suitable for our style of game.

One thing is clear. We have a profile of an ST in our mind. Alvarez, Joao, Marmoush. All those linked with us have a similar profile.
I guess I need to forget about a Target Man striker, who I was hoping for.
 
Buying him got 100m+ when Chelsea for him got 63m all in last summer. Would just leave a bitter taste in the mouth.

Shouts should have gotten a head of this and gotten in his ear that we want to sign him next summer or something.

Maybe that wouldn't work but
Tells me they weren't really looking at him that much
 
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Draconifire said:
Bojan Krkic senior says Pedro’s a better bet than Alvarez for Barcelona.

Seems Bojan is for Joao. And I agree with him.
Joao Pedro is an ideal candidate for us. Will be much cheaper than Alvarez, is much taller, and his build is more suitable for our style of game.

One thing is clear. We have a profile of an ST in our mind. Alvarez, Joao, Marmoush. All those linked with us have a similar profile.
I guess I need to forget about a Target Man striker, who I was hoping for.
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Wtf makes you guys think Pedro will be "much cheaper" than Alvarez?

He is a phenomenal footballer and everyone knows that. He is easily worth 90m and because PL adds some 30-40m to every price he will likely be same as or even more expensive than Alvarez.
 
I can see him going for 80M-90M, if so the question of him vs Alvarez is valid.
Alvarez is more proven especially at top level, while Pedro has a profile advantages.
If Pedro is going to cost more than 90M, I am not sure he is worth that.
 
There will always be new players to chase. We shouldn't rush things, and our scoring numbers are extremely solid. I remain convinced the money should go for defense, not a new toy in offense.

How bad is Torres actually if in a CL quarterfinal decider he scores 2 great goals (one of which offside, but the finish was spot on) and makes an assist?
 
serghei said:
There will always be new players to chase. We shouldn't rush things, and our scoring numbers are extremely solid. I remain convinced the money should go for defense, not a new toy in offense.

How bad is Torres actually if in a CL quarterfinal decider he scores 2 great goals (one of which offside, but the finish was spot on) and makes an assist?
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Torres was fantastic in 2nd leg

But stop judging players based off 1 game

Maybe if he was good all season and scored some goals in first leg we wouldn't even have to do comeback
 
Draconifire said:
Bojan Krkic senior says Pedro’s a better bet than Alvarez for Barcelona.

Seems Bojan is for Joao. And I agree with him.
Joao Pedro is an ideal candidate for us. Will be much cheaper than Alvarez, is much taller, and his build is more suitable for our style of game.

One thing is clear. We have a profile of an ST in our mind. Alvarez, Joao, Marmoush. All those linked with us have a similar profile.
I guess I need to forget about a Target Man striker, who I was hoping for.
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The difference between Pedro and Alvarez is that Pedro can play more like a number 9 and point of reference even though he is not fully comfortable in that position.

I know Pedro well from his time at Watford. He is kind of a jack of all trades, very good technique and has a good physical level too, but doesn't stand out in any one area. However, he is more physical than Alvarez and would be better at pinning defenders and occupying the penalty box even if it isn't his ideal position.

His best position is probably as a second striker together with a more classic 9, similar to Alvarez like you mention, but I believe Pedro is more flexible and is serviceable as a lone 9, whilst I don't think Alvarez would be ideal in that position. He isn't a good reference point in attack and can't keep the team high up the pitch by occupying defenders and playing with his back to goal.

I don't think we should look for this kind of striker. I feel like we have enough dribblers/ball handlers in the team and we need a striker who is capable of holding down the box/centre of attack and winning duels, providing an outlet and a reference point for the rest of the team to search for in attack, whether that is finishing off moves or linking play in the centre with their back to goal.

Alvarez is more of the type who will come back for the ball, float around the box sometimes, dribble, and he is more of a second striker or 10.

So I prefer Pedro as an option to Alvarez but I prefer Osimhen above both of them as the profile I think we would benefit most off.
 
ajnotkeith said:
The difference between Pedro and Alvarez is that Pedro can play more like a number 9 and point of reference even though he is not fully comfortable in that position.

I know Pedro well from his time at Watford. He is kind of a jack of all trades, very good technique and has a good physical level too, but doesn't stand out in any one area. However, he is more physical than Alvarez and would be better at pinning defenders and occupying the penalty box even if it isn't his ideal position.

His best position is probably as a second striker together with a more classic 9, similar to Alvarez like you mention, but I believe Pedro is more flexible and is serviceable as a lone 9, whilst I don't think Alvarez would be ideal in that position. He isn't a good reference point in attack and can't keep the team high up the pitch by occupying defenders and playing with his back to goal.

I don't think we should look for this kind of striker. I feel like we have enough dribblers/ball handlers in the team and we need a striker who is capable of holding down the box/centre of attack and winning duels, providing an outlet and a reference point for the rest of the team to search for in attack, whether that is finishing off moves or linking play in the centre with their back to goal.

Alvarez is more of the type who will come back for the ball, float around the box sometimes, dribble, and he is more of a second striker or 10.

So I prefer Pedro as an option to Alvarez but I prefer Osimhen above both of them as the profile I think we would benefit most off.
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I think we are going for this type of profile up front for several reasons,
like we want a CF with very good or excellent technique, who can drop deep to receive when top opposition presses us man to man and high, which will help team overcome pressing AND release both Lamine and Rashford in space.

We have been suffering in these situations with both Lewy and Ferran there, who are both bad in passing with back turned, in associative play required to overcome pressing.

I would also add that against very deep blocks, we need attackers who are very comfortable on the ball, and not just a tall reference point.
 
Birdy said:
I think we are going for this type of profile up front for several reasons,
like we want a CF with very good or excellent technique, who can drop deep to receive when top opposition presses us man to man and high, which will help team overcome pressing AND release both Lamine and Rashford in space.

We have been suffering in these situations with both Lewy and Ferran there, who are both bad in passing with back turned, in associative play required to overcome pressing.

I would also add that against very deep blocks, we need attackers who are very comfortable on the ball, and not just a tall reference point.
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I like Pedro more as an option if this is what Flick wants because he is more flexible. He is creative and makes plays but he can also score, finish off moves, play with one or two touches. He is also fairly good in the air.

I would take him if it was 80-90m but I'm not sure Chelsea will release him for this price. After the good season he's had they may want to keep him.

It is worth seeing if them failing to make Europe will cause financial problems and they need sales because of that. Although he will not be their first option. They struggled in finding a good striker for a while now so they will probably only agree to sell him if he asks to leave.
 
jamrock said:
Buying him got 100m+ when Chelsea for him got 63m all in last summer. Would just leave a bitter taste in the mouth.

Shouts should have gotten a head of this and gotten in his ear that we want to sign him next summer or something.

Maybe that wouldn't work but
Tells me they weren't really looking at him that much
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I think Joao will cost around the 80m mark. Maybe slightly higher.

We all know our scouts are shit when it comes to looking for a CF/ST. Barca almost always never develops or gets cheap CF. We overpay.
MonteCuler said:
Wtf makes you guys think Pedro will be "much cheaper" than Alvarez?

He is a phenomenal footballer and everyone knows that. He is easily worth 90m and because PL adds some 30-40m to every price he will likely be same as or even more expensive than Alvarez.
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Even if you take 90m as his fees. Alvarez would easily be 120m+. We have seen how Atletico rolls, and they have a certified World Class player. They won't let Alvarez leave for any lower than 120m. Even 120 might be hard sell for them.

I wouldn't have said earlier, but the situation Chelsea is in with no EU football. And their ownership runs that club more as a business, they might see a deal around his MarketValue as a profitable trade.
Also, the striker market will be favourable for us in this situation. Every top team (so Arsenal, ManC, ManYoo, Pool, PSG, Bayern) that can afford a 80-90m transfer doesn't necessarily need a ST right now or a profile like Joao Pedro, for at least a couple of years.

Chelsea ownership knows all this. Purely business-wise it would make sense to sell to us, but sporting-wise it doesnt. So it all depends on Chelsea.
I think 30-40m comes into the "much cheaper category".
 
ajnotkeith said:
The difference between Pedro and Alvarez is that Pedro can play more like a number 9 and point of reference even though he is not fully comfortable in that position.

I know Pedro well from his time at Watford. He is kind of a jack of all trades, very good technique and has a good physical level too, but doesn't stand out in any one area. However, he is more physical than Alvarez and would be better at pinning defenders and occupying the penalty box even if it isn't his ideal position.

His best position is probably as a second striker together with a more classic 9, similar to Alvarez like you mention, but I believe Pedro is more flexible and is serviceable as a lone 9, whilst I don't think Alvarez would be ideal in that position. He isn't a good reference point in attack and can't keep the team high up the pitch by occupying defenders and playing with his back to goal.

I don't think we should look for this kind of striker. I feel like we have enough dribblers/ball handlers in the team and we need a striker who is capable of holding down the box/centre of attack and winning duels, providing an outlet and a reference point for the rest of the team to search for in attack, whether that is finishing off moves or linking play in the centre with their back to goal.

Alvarez is more of the type who will come back for the ball, float around the box sometimes, dribble, and he is more of a second striker or 10.

So I prefer Pedro as an option to Alvarez but I prefer Osimhen above both of them as the profile I think we would benefit most off.
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Totally Agree. And thats my thinking too.
I too think we should look for a target man striker in the likes of Osimhen, but its clear with the rumours we are seeing, also Bojan coming out in public saying he prefers Joao, that we are looking for a CF/Second striker type profile. So if we are getting a number 9 its probably the likes of these.
Hence out of all the rumours, I like Pedro better. He is far more versatile than the likes of Alvarez or Marmoush.
While Alvarez can be termed as 10/10 when it comes to the CF/second striker role. Joao might be a 8/10 or 9/10.
But where Joao is better is that he can be a serviceable target man because of his build and style. While Alvarez might be 6/10, Joao most certainly is a 8/10 player when you are talking about a Target Man striker.
 
Maybe we are linked with second strikers because we are looking for a replecement for Raphinha, not Lewa.
 
thestig said:
Maybe we are linked with second strikers because we are looking for a replecement for Raphinha, not Lewa.
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More likely due to the market I'm afraid.

All the right profiles who had the talent to make an immediate impact went to new clubs last summer. The only proper #9 profile left on the market like that is Osimhen and that's also an expensive operation with transfer fee + salary and you lose him for AFCON for a month every second year or something too.

I would take Joao Pedro if he costs under 90m. I prefer his profile over Alvarez and his stats this season for a stinky Chelsea team is honestly impressive IMO.
 
Origami said:
No, I mean this is just classic hype
train trap. I have watched him. Don’t want him anywhere near personally. Think plenty players close to his level that could be gotten for way cheaper.
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Ahh. I think he would be amazing for us. But at 90m its hard to accept it. Think he's more around the 60-70m type of player.

Who would you want us to go for instead?
 
I don't understand why our scouts and Deco doesn't look for this type of players before a move to a rich club? I mean we used to get the bigest stars so no problem but this type of players should be scouted before. Why would Chelsea sell bellow 100mil?
 
Gaudi said:
I don't understand why our scouts and Deco doesn't look for this type of players before a move to a rich club? I mean we used to get the bigest stars so no problem but this type of players should be scouted before. Why would Chelsea sell bellow 100mil?
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He does, but when the club have to fight for their lives to register Joan Garcia who cost 25m there's little Deco can do.
 
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