Luis Enrique
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Loki
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Pep and him don't care about anything else than what happens on the pitch. They don't care about who or what they represent, what it means for football in general and the consequences of pouring billions of outside money.
They chose to ignore everything else. It's their right of course, but in my opinion their position weighs more than just their work as coaches. Not forgetting, that they achieve their success with literally cheat codes, no other club can work with.
That's why I respect what Flick achieved with our broke ass club 10 times more than all the CL titles Pep and Enrique win with oil money.
They chose to ignore everything else. It's their right of course, but in my opinion their position weighs more than just their work as coaches. Not forgetting, that they achieve their success with literally cheat codes, no other club can work with.
That's why I respect what Flick achieved with our broke ass club 10 times more than all the CL titles Pep and Enrique win with oil money.
malvolio
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While I agree with the first part, it gets annoying to read the same stuff about how we are broke.
"Broke" club that spends 1.5 billion on rebuilding its stadium+facilities? "Broke" club with one of the best revenues in the world? "Broke" club with a squad market value of over 1 billion? "Broke" club with guaranteed CL football every season?
C'mon mate, it's bullshit and you know it. Let's stop romanticising Flick's story just because he plays better football than Xavi.
ajnotkeith
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You really play both sides of a contradictory argument, on one hand you are always saying the squad is nowhere near top level, all of them are bums, and then you say Flick is not doing anything special with the squad.
Of course when he says broke he is talking relatively to the clubs we are in competition with. Barca is not exactly Sevilla, but we also don't spend anywhere near what similar strength clubs do, and we do get outspent by clubs which are also below our level.
And when it comes to the institution, we will always have the power to bounce back, so this is just a blip in time, but it is one that Flick has had to deal with. In 5 years we will probably recover our spending power completely.
malvolio
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I said Flick overachieved with the squad he had, but mostly on domestic level. And yes, I stand by what I've said that lots of them are not of the required level to match the top sides.
The spending part is not so black and white as most fans want to see it. Flick inherited some players(backbone of the team?) that came in for big sums and big salaries. Atletico(since most are doing this comparison of them outspending us last summer), might spend big in one summer but their squad isn't better than ours. Simeone didn't take over a team with Pedri, FDJ, Kounde, Raphinha, Lewa, Gavi, Yamal etc already there. Any club out there needs to spend 100M-200M on a Yamal type of player, if they went in the market, Flick already had him for free. Our academy churns out players that you can fill the squad with also. Plus we are one of the biggest names in football, in one of the best places to live in Europe - even the guys that come for free tend to choose us and not Atletico.
What I'm trying to point our is that Flick didn't actually perform miracles in Europe. He more or less had similar performance to where Xavi left us, albeit with better football. Flick got two easy paths to finals and blew it, Xavi got PSG earlier.
While I do sympathize with Flick for not being able to spend like the top sides, let's not get dramatic about it like we were some paupers that defeated all odds and stormed Europe. Pep and Lucho know how to setup a defense, let's start with that.
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soul24rage
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Best Barca manager since Pep, no doubt about that.
malvolio
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Fucking volcano robbed us of a three-peat and the honor of being first club to win it back to back.
RedxMAK
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Truth be told, I don't see us winning 2011 if we didn't have the disappointment of 2010. Everyone knows 2010-11 was the culmination of everything Pep worked for and if we didn't have that tragic loss against Inter, which prevented us from being the first team ever to win the Champions League back 2 back and in the Santiago Bernabeu as well, we wouldn't have been that great in 2011.
RedxMAK
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It will always be a stain towards Enrique's Barcelona team's legacy. 2015-16, in my opinion, was the best Barcelona side since 2010-11 and even better than 2014-15. Even without Messi, for a decent part of the season, Neymar and Suarez carried the squad and we were playing absolutely exquisite football. It is a huge shame after that March international break, we had our worst form of the season. Maybe if we didn't have that insanely bad run of form, we would have won Atletico and Bayern and reached that final in Milan. We had NO business whatsoever losing that quarter final tie against Atletico Madrid.
I see us 100% three peating if not for the volcano.
All players run less than their season average in the away leg we aren't losing to inter 3-1 are whatever the score was and we know how information pressing was to us and then we got robbed at the camp nou.
We where far superior to any team in Europe back then 3 peat was a given, but the devil had other plans.
All players run less than their season average in the away leg we aren't losing to inter 3-1 are whatever the score was and we know how information pressing was to us and then we got robbed at the camp nou.
We where far superior to any team in Europe back then 3 peat was a given, but the devil had other plans.
He should definitely have won two with us.
Conservatively we've missed out on 3 CL over the last 10-20 years.
Pep
Luis
Valverde.
RedxMAK
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They scored an offside goal in Milan and also a penalty on Dani Alves uncalled. All to nothing, yet we were the ones who 'robbed' Chelsea at the Bridge a year earlier...
RedxMAK
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2011-12 as well Imo. We were clearly better than Chelsea and I think we would win against Bayern given the fact they bottled every other trophy that season.
RedxMAK
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Yeah that's what I'm saying. Everyone knows that 2010-11 was the response to the tragedy of the Inter tie in 2009-10. We were clearly the best team in the world in all of the Pep seasons. This truly was the peak of any sports team in history, it is a true shame we did not 4peat the UCL in that time span. Although, 2 in 3 years was the best anyone managed since Madrid between 2000 and 2002. The best anyone would achieve until Madrid again, between 2014 and the first of their 3peat.
Loki
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Building the new stadium has nothing to do with our current finances. It'll be paid with the future revenue the stadium will generate, once it's completed. It's a seperated matter, quite literally. So no, we didn't spend 1.5 billion, so far we didn't pay even one cent for it. Goldman&Sachs and dozens of other investors did.
Revenue on its own doesn't say anything about financial stability. You can have the biggest revenue in the world and still go bankrupt, if the losses are too high. Not talking about our case, but in general. The revenue has always be looked at in a bigger picture. And yes, we have a big revenue, but also huge debts. According to LaLiga's rules, we're in a bad financial situation and they're not allowing us to sign freely.
Obviously we're not broke in the traditional meaning, but we're still forbidden to sign players as if we'd have no money. So I use the term "broke" for our current situation, as long as we're still very limited in spending, as a literally "broke" club would be limited.
That's not bullshit, that's reality. Until LaLiga allows us to sign freely without limits, like the Madrid clubs.
malvolio
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I had tickets to that final
Went and had to witness Mourinho beating Bayern for the CL, at the Bernabeu. Could have been Barca instead, FFS. Was a nice experience though.
malvolio
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No bank or financial institution backs the building of an 1.5B project for a broke/going broke club.
Not sign freely does not mean we can't say anyone. And as I've pointed out Flick had the backbone of the squad in place.
Heard Madrid might have some financial issues of their own. The new stadium isn't producing enough money to cover the loans.
Anyway, I think we're generally in agreement on the subject it's just that you want to paint Flick as this savior that I don't get along with 100%.