Xavi
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RedxMAK
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Finally he gets a new thread, the other threads he had in the old iteration of the forum were marred with the negativity of his time as a coach but no doubt in my mind he is top 3 figures in the history of Futbol Club Barcelona, 3rd after Johan Cruyff and Lionel Messi. Truly a legend of the club.
Just thought of this. But it should be noted some on here killed xavi for the red against araujo picked us vs PSG & the game management after.
But complete silence on us picking up back to back reds at the same stage this year against a less talented team, those two are all the players fault.
Double standards much.
But complete silence on us picking up back to back reds at the same stage this year against a less talented team, those two are all the players fault.
Double standards much.
JamDav1982
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Plenty have said what think Flick did wrong last night.
Araujo one was infuriating as PSG clearly set traps for him on ball and Barca fell into it.
Were still favs to go through and were awful as went out conceding 4.
Not sure that PSG team was better than Atleti either. They barely got out group if not for a dodgy pen v Newcastle at home and aftre Barca went out to Dortmund without scoring.
Araujo one was infuriating as PSG clearly set traps for him on ball and Barca fell into it.
Were still favs to go through and were awful as went out conceding 4.
Not sure that PSG team was better than Atleti either. They barely got out group if not for a dodgy pen v Newcastle at home and aftre Barca went out to Dortmund without scoring.
Khaled_a_d
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No double standards, Flick got a lot of criticism for his defense, but he achieved and is achieving more than Xavi, while bringing Barca attacking football back. With Xavi it was the last straw with fans.
We suffered 4 red cards from such situations in t 2 seasons under Flick (Cubarsi vs both Benfica & Atletico, Eric vs both Monaco & Atletico, while Araujo 2 red cards were one under Xavi, and stupid tackle in normal situation). That is too much.
Players should have been taught to trust the GK in such situations and realise a goal is better than a red considering the kamikaze way of playing. And obviously, defense in general should do better.
Not talking about anything outside of the red card and he got no criticism for that
But agreed with the rest
100% double standards.
On one hand the players are stupid, the players this & that.
On the other xavi is stupid & to be blame for a red card & game management.
Performance in the league has nothing to do with both failing in the CL, when we had clear paths to the finals.
On one hand the players are stupid, the players this & that.
On the other xavi is stupid & to be blame for a red card & game management.
Performance in the league has nothing to do with both failing in the CL, when we had clear paths to the finals.
JamDav1982
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Araujo got huge stick for that red card also....
Xavi was poor in that game with the red and how reacted after it.
Lucho targeted Barca specifically with it.
Xavi also failed to get out group twice with poor coaching and poor when went out to Europa v Man Utd and Frankfurt.
It was latest in long list of bad failures.
Xavi was poor in that game with the red and how reacted after it.
Lucho targeted Barca specifically with it.
Xavi also failed to get out group twice with poor coaching and poor when went out to Europa v Man Utd and Frankfurt.
It was latest in long list of bad failures.
Don't stoop so low mate. Xavi played dogshit football and then had the gull to complain that the squad is too weak to win any trophies. Of course most Barca fans complained about him.
However, vs PSG a lot of this forum (including me) called out Araujo. I don't think anyone blamed Xavi for that particular incident.
First bit isn't relevant to what happen.
2nd bit, you are either deliberately lying or have some memory issues I don't know which.
If the forum wasn't new I could pull up pages of posters blaming Xavi directly for the red card
You were one of the main persons who blamed xavi.
Blamed Xavi for what exactly?
Blamed him for a lot of stuff. Bad football, first and foremost.
Araujo was just stupid and I remember specifically how upset I was for him not taking responsibility and instead focusing on Gundogan.
For araujo'd red card
But when flick doesn't it, no bad choice of words. When a coach team does it. Silence.
Not one word of criticism and their are 100% valid criticism to be laid at his feet for that red.
It doesn't mean xavi played campaign football & flick football is shit.
It's just the objective truth
But when flick doesn't it, no bad choice of words. When a coach team does it. Silence.
Not one word of criticism and their are 100% valid criticism to be laid at his feet for that red.
It doesn't mean xavi played campaign football & flick football is shit.
It's just the objective truth
No it's not. You're making things up.
Objective truth is:
1. Flick plays vastly superior football than Xavi.
2. Flick got way more blame for red cards (due to style of play) than Xavi ever did for Araujo's.
JamDav1982
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On the flip side how many people who blamed Araujo and not Xavi or both now focusing more on Flick than did Xavi?
Works both ways.
In terms of player blame it is Araujo by a landslide who got more flack for the red.
Works both ways.
In terms of player blame it is Araujo by a landslide who got more flack for the red.
Khaled_a_d
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The Araujo red card and Xavi thing was said on a tactical level, that Araujo was the weak link and they have targeted him and Xavi didn't react to that.
It was said later that this was indeed true and Lucho instructed Mbappe to press Cubarsi so that we are being forced to give the ball to Araujo and from there mistakes were bound to happen.
Xavi didn't react, and didn't instruct midfielders to help, and it cost us.
Same thing happened on larger scale with Flick, and many pointed out the tactical setup had lead defenders to get red cards.
To say it is double standards is simply a bias toward Xavi. Araujo got far more blame and less folks defended him than Cubarsi or Eric.
We can reverse the roles and say that folks kept blaming mediocre players for Xavi failures, while keep saying that no defender would do well under Flick and it's a coach problem.
It was said later that this was indeed true and Lucho instructed Mbappe to press Cubarsi so that we are being forced to give the ball to Araujo and from there mistakes were bound to happen.
Xavi didn't react, and didn't instruct midfielders to help, and it cost us.
Same thing happened on larger scale with Flick, and many pointed out the tactical setup had lead defenders to get red cards.
To say it is double standards is simply a bias toward Xavi. Araujo got far more blame and less folks defended him than Cubarsi or Eric.
We can reverse the roles and say that folks kept blaming mediocre players for Xavi failures, while keep saying that no defender would do well under Flick and it's a coach problem.
What folks kept blaming mediocre players for his failures?.
Can think of only 1 poster who did that & he's still going that today with flick, so at least he's consistent with that complaint.
Unlike the 10+ pages that went off in the xavi trend because araujo picked up a red card.
Who are the many that blamed flick for the situation that led to the red cards? they certainly aren't the same people who lite up the xavi trend after the PSG loss that much I can guarantee.
Not even on a tactical have some people highlighted flicks failures in those two cards.
It's all flick is a miracle worker, he's doing nothing wrong,attack is the best form of defense.
And I'm not even talking about posters like jamdav who was critical of tactics on both ends with Xavi & flick.
Can't remember about Khaled exactly.
But the others who know themselves certainly jump on xavi and have given flick a pass on the same situation Times two.
It's all flick is a miracle worker, he's doing nothing wrong,attack is the best form of defense.
And I'm not even talking about posters like jamdav who was critical of tactics on both ends with Xavi & flick.
Can't remember about Khaled exactly.
But the others who know themselves certainly jump on xavi and have given flick a pass on the same situation Times two.