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Managers always share a blame when their decisions harm the team. But Xavi and Flick have been forced to manage a club in a bad financial phase, unable to make moves like other clubs. The main thing a big club does with subpar players is getting rid of them and bringing superior ones. Our managers have had it tough in recent years. And we usually paid for this in CL especially.

Say a coach like Luis Enrique would be tremendously irittated by the huge squad limitations he would face at Barcelona.

Anyone thinking Flick or Xavi wouldn't win the CL with this PSG side is kidding himself. We have had very good managers in these years under Laporta. But you can't wrestle with teams investing 10x in transfers.

Btw, Xavi saw the potential in Dembele very soon after he was installed as manager.

Often you also need luck as a manager. Lucho got his chance in a superstar team, best in the world by a distance, Xavi got in when the fans and the press were actually worried about missing the CL places, with the team on 10th place after 10 games or so.
 
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Also, let's not forget to give huge credit for this PSG side to the guy behind the transfers they made in the last 3 seasons. Some great ones there... Some flops too, sure, but plenty of big hits.
 
Enrique is a much better coach than both, no guarantee either win the CL with PSG.

They've had good coaches & resources before but never won it until he arrived.

Money makes a difference but let's not completely discredit the man here.

I would say the reserve of that. He would do much better in Europe than either with this current team.
 
Absolute nonsense to say 'Xavi wins CL with this PSG side'.

Xavi is not even remotely as good a coach as Lucho or Flick.

Nowhere near it.

Lucho and Flick would walk into top jobs if available now.

Xavi cant get a look in at any decent level.

For all these claims of poverty Barca spent more with Xavi than other teams in Spain in his time and much more freedom than Flick to improve the team.
 
jamrock said:
Enrique is a much better coach than both, no guarantee either win the CL with PSG.

They've had good coaches & resources before but never won it until he arrived.

Money makes a difference but let's not completely discredit the man here.

I would say the reserve of that. He would do much better in Europe than either with this current team.
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There's no guarantees, but they have the best squad by a distance vs everyone else. Weaker competition... they probably both win the CL imo, even Xavi.

They didn't really have resources before. They had promise, but constantly fucked up team balance by signing galactico players who would basically expect the team to play for them.

Their fortunes changed the moment they started to construct a proper football side. Binning Neymar, losing Mbappe was a blessing also.
 
Lucho has had a massive impact on that squad and how it plays.

The type of players insists bring in.

Some of the shite Xavi wanted in Barca team and profile of players is nothing like PSG and Lucho built.

Look what Dembele is under Lucho compared to Xavi as clear example.

Look at how Flick has improved near on every Barca player to what they were under Xavi.

Look at Raphinha after Xavi.. look at Pedri.

Xavi didnt know how to use them anywhere like Flick has.
 
Yeah, and everyone was making fun of Kompany because of his Burnley stint. Now all of a sudden he's a top manager. Please...
 
Nah i can't get behind that tbh, they have had money & great squads before.

He & the sporting director are the ones that came in and made them focus on building a team.

Yes they have a bucket loads of money and that shouldn't be forgotten. But I'm not going to make the leap to say anyone would win with that team or our two most recent coaches would. They would make deep runs, but win in the way he did? No.

They both have some very obvious flaws in K.O football.

But he would do better than both with us.

He's not failing in the Champions league 3 years in a row like we have, while having a pretty clear route to the final each time, he's making it to the final at least one of those 3 times.
 
jamrock said:
Nah i can't get behind that tbh, they have had money & great squads before.

He & the sporting director are the ones that came in and made them focus on building a team.

Yes they have a bucket loads of money and that shouldn't be forgotten. But I'm not going to make the leap to say anyone would win with that team or our two most recent coaches would. They would make deep runs, but win in the way he did? No.

They both have some very obvious flaws in K.O football.

But he would do better than both with us.

He's not failing in the Champions league 3 years in a row like we have, while having a pretty clear route to the final each time, he's making it to the final at least one of those 3 times.
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They didn't have cohesive squads before. Completely false. Who in the hell signs old Messi who wasn't even interested in club football much? They were more focused on marketing and star appeal than on building a top performing side.

Luis Enrique struggled massively with making Mbappe follow a strict plan. He got beaten twice by fecking Dortmund. He couldn't believe his luck when Madrid signed the player who was disrupting his plan.

This is not to say Enrique is one of the best managers in the world. But you need the chips falling in the right place, and there's many managers out there who would achieve similar great things if given the chance.

Both Lucho and Pep had an insane luck of landing at Barcelona as relatively unknown, and stepping into formidable sides. You need a head start like that often times.
 
serghei said:
They didn't have cohesive squads before. Completely false. Who in the hell signs old Messi who wasn't even interested in club football much? They were more focused on marketing and star appeal than on building a top performing side.

Luis Enrique struggled massively with making Mbappe follow a strict plan. He got beaten twice by fecking Dortmund.
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They had good squads before signing Messi. Come on.
 
Real should be looking at PSG and trying to replicate it with a touch of Barca... and they could do it quite quickly.

Could bring in Nico Paz, Munoz, Cherma and others with cheap clauses who know what Real are about and sort their midfield ST/LW.

That is the fear of them.. how quickly and resources have to change it from loaning players and signing players at good age can move on for big fees.
 
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They had good squads before signing Messi. Come on.
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Nothing close to this. This PSG squad has like 5-6 players in best possible 11 in the world. Every other team puts in maybe 1-2 players at most.

Lucho won 2 CLs with two of the best squads I've seen in the last 20 years easy. Of course, he was smart to wait for the proper job. He made very smart career moves.
 
The current PSG squad is massively in the mould of Lucho and those players do as he says or ship out.

He is getting more out of Dembele than any other coach has come close to for example.

Getting more out of him than Real can with Mbappe.

Lucho has been the one to get through to him and play him in way gets balondor.

Before Dembele snapped into line Lucho was getting ready to ditch him.

Same with Vitinha.. massively improved. The fans didnt even like him at all at first.
 
I appreciate what flick has done, but if let's say this summer Enrique wants to leave PSG and come home

We should IMMEDIATELY FIRE FLICK, IMMEDIATELY!!.
 
It is probably the great work of Luis Campos, seen by many as the key figure behind this great PSG squad. That and unlimited Qatar money. Funny if people give Lucho credit for these transfers, but not for some horrible deals we made with him at Barcelona.

He also sanctioned the world beaters Arda Turan and Andre Gomes?
 
serghei said:
It is probably the great work of Luis Campos, seen by many as the key figure behind this great PSG squad. That and unlimited Qatar money. Funny if people give Lucho credit for these transfers, but not for some horrible deals we made with him at Barcelona.

He also sanctioned the world beaters Arda Turan and Andre Gomes?
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Fair point regarding those two transfers
 
Again.. you point to transfers as being unreal.. it is also down to the type of players Lucho wanted and getting best from them.

See Dembele.. he was getting punted until snapped into line and won a balondor.

Then see how Xavi is when doesnt know how to get best out of Pedri/Raphinha etc.

World of a difference between them as coaches.
 
jamrock said:
I appreciate what flick has done, but if let's say this summer Enrique wants to leave PSG and come home

We should IMMEDIATELY FIRE FLICK, IMMEDIATELY!!.
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I doubt managers like Luis Enrique who is rather a cold calculated thinker would step in at Barcelona to be forced to play likes of Martin and Araujo. Come on...
 
serghei said:
Nothing close to this. This PSG squad has like 5-6 players in best possible 11 in the world. Every other team puts in maybe 1-2 players at most.

Lucho won 2 CLs with two of the best squads I've seen in the last 20 years easy. Of course, he was smart to wait for the proper job. He made very smart career moves.
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Shame Enrique is en route to going back2back with this PSG side but he couldn’t do it with an even better and greater Barcelona side. In my mind, we should’ve won that UCL in 2016 any day of the week.
 
RedxMAK said:
Shame Enrique is en route to going back2back with this PSG side but he couldn’t do it with an even better and greater Barcelona side. In my mind, we should’ve won that UCL in 2016 any day of the week.
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That's another point, connected to the help managers need from their squad. He could keep the Barca Amigos playing the type of very demanding football he wanted for around 6-12 months. After that, the team just didn't respond the same. They were no longer super-focused, and were enjoying themselves too much.

I don't want to sound like I'm discrediting Luis Enrique, not my desire at all. These posts are more in the direction that building an elite side depends on a very large group of people doing their job very well. You need great strategy, putting the team first above any player, ruthlessness, and of course, close to a billion to build your team.

Let's say Barcelona would get away with 600m instead of 1bn due to La Masia. Nobody can do magic. I even doubt Flick would be here without the Germany national team fiasco making the rich teams doubt he is good enough.
 
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