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I wonder if Messi will agree to that...
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I wonder if Messi will agree to that...
Stric
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Jadentheman
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Clearly the false 9 role for Messi limits what the wingers can do. If we put Messi back on the right give the role to Alexis, Cesc, or Neymar it could be better for the team.
Either that or he can switch Messi with Cesc so Messi can be an AM
Either that or he can switch Messi with Cesc so Messi can be an AM
DonAndres
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Not really. It's the ability of the corresponding wingers that show how good they are at linking up and providing runs/movement. Messi as a false 9 worked with Eto'o/Henry in the 08/09 Clasico and worked wonders with Pedro/Villa all throughout 10/11. If they can perform, the system is magical. The thing is that over the years there has been less demand for the other forwards to be good due to Messi carrying them with an unimaginable amount of goals. His dropping back gives them the space to bomb runs towards the center freely and score, and in turn gives him space to play freely and act as the main focal point. Defenders are torn apart choosing whom to mark, Messi or the wingers, and both outcomes result in lots of attacking chances to be created.
Jadentheman
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This spells the end for Alves. Montoya will definitely be Tata's RB of choice
Garrus
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Martino will not put messi on the right, He gave that statement 3 years ago, When messi was only recently playing in the middle, Over these 3 years, Messi as a false 9 evolved into something beyond anyone's imagination back then, Including martino's.
Plus Now that we have neymar on the left, It'll be a crime separating them on opposite sides on the pitch, When close to each they can do magic.
Messi drops back, Pulls defenders makes a through ball for neymar, Goal!!
Neymar pulls defenders, Makes a through ball to messi, Goal!!
Plus Now that we have neymar on the left, It'll be a crime separating them on opposite sides on the pitch, When close to each they can do magic.
Messi drops back, Pulls defenders makes a through ball for neymar, Goal!!
Neymar pulls defenders, Makes a through ball to messi, Goal!!
Irish_Cules
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I think it can be a bit unfair on players of the past when we take these things into account. If Pele played in the modern game he would have the benefit of modern nutrition and sports science. Likewise, if Ronaldo played back in the 60s he would have had to make do with the nutrtion and sports science of that era. It's extremely hard to compare players from different eras to each other but I think the fairest way to do it is to purely assess their footballing ability and to not dwell too much on advancements in health, physicality, speed etc.
Stric
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It's the other way around. The false #9 role opens up more possibilities for the wingers to cut inside and shoot, that is, play more like wide forwards, rather than wingers or very wide attacking midfielders. In theory, wingers with a true #9 between them would be used in a more supporting role. We just need to instruct our wingers to start making those runs again, and move them away from the touchlines. None of Fabregas, Sanchez and Neymar are as good as shooting and positioning as Messi, so it wouldn't make much sense to move Messi to the right and leave his spot to any of them. Neymar's best position is on the left, Messi's is in the middle, Fabregas' is in midfield, so that's what we should use. Only in a scenario where we would (for whatever reason) insist on using Xavi, Iniesta and Fabregas at the same time, would I suggest moving Messi to the right and using Fabregas as false #9. But there's no need for that, ever, really.
Martino will not put messi on the right, He gave that statement 3 years ago, When messi was only recently playing in the middle, Over these 3 years, Messi as a false 9 evolved into something beyond anyone's imagination back then, Including martino's.
Plus Now that we have neymar on the left, It'll be a crime separating them on opposite sides on the pitch, When close to each they can do magic.
Messi drops back, Pulls defenders makes a through ball for neymar, Goal!!
Neymar pulls defenders, Makes a through ball to messi, Goal!!
Thanks for clearing that up, I was wondering where/when that statement is from.
That is a disturbing gif right there.
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LM10
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he said that over a year ago
barcanuck
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Martino will not put messi on the right, He gave that statement 3 years ago, When messi was only recently playing in the middle, Over these 3 years, Messi as a false 9 evolved into something beyond anyone's imagination back then, Including martino's.
Plus Now that we have neymar on the left, It'll be a crime separating them on opposite sides on the pitch, When close to each they can do magic.
Messi drops back, Pulls defenders makes a through ball for neymar, Goal!!
Neymar pulls defenders, Makes a through ball to messi, Goal!!
Ah man reminds me of Big Pun.
Hope your last 2 statements are right. I can see Messi on the right some games though and Cesc doing his false 9 thing too, but that happens throughout the games all the time anyway, I doubt Martino will go crazy with it.
This system that we current have is missing one player who can actually score or cause big damage in other defences.Henry and Eto'o were strikers that could play on the wings pretty comfortably.We have now a winger that can score in Neymar but on the right wing the big thing is missing.I don't know about Pedro how we would work if hes given other instructions but im not convinced tottaly from him and neither from Alexis that surely isnt a player than can work out with false 9 tactics.I can't express my self how ideal would Reus be..
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