11 - Neymar Jr. - v4

[JamDav1982]

How many games have you watched last year? Every time ball went to Neymar he tended to slow down the tempo of the game and his passes were intercepted too often. For example our first goal against Roma - last season's Neymar would never be able to fire such pass to Alves. And it was not because of his tactical role - he tried but mostly failed. I'm not saying he was bad for us last season, but because of his goals, not playmaking.

It is true though, that he was better playmaker for Brazil than for Barca, but I don't think it was solely because of different tactical role. He simply improved or maybe he developed better understanding with Barca teamates, I don't know.

Watched ever game last year.

Neymar slowed down the tempo of the game every time did he? Strange that he helped form the best counter attacking front three in world football if not all time.

Of course his passes were intercepted often....so are Messi and Suarez passes it happens when you have a front three that are told to take risks and attack.

The only difference now is that for the last while Neymar has been given the role to get involved in build up more and players move more off the ball knowing final pass is coming from him.

The example you give vs Roma would rarely have happened last season as Neymar got ball in build up less and players were moving off the ball less. The system was built on Messi on the other side providing those passes to his runs.

Neymar had all the ability in the world to make these passes last season.

He did anyway in games like vs ManCity he must have set up 6/7 great chances Messi/Suarez couldnt take.

 

[serghei]

Ability doesn't change in a couple of months. Performances change according to how that ability is highlighted (or not) by roles and duties. You can talk about abilities changing or declining in years, that is true of course. But 2 months ago Neymar had poor passing skills and now he is a passing genius? Nope. It's about roles. Neymar can be a playmaker for this team and he can do that very very well, but Messi is even better so he occupies the creative role of the team more often, logically. When Messi was out, Neymar had a change in role, as in he had to take over a more playmaking duty. He did just that because his abilities enabled him to do so.

 

[anguy]

Ability doesn't change in a couple of months.

Of course it can change, especially if you are forced to improve, because of absence of your best playmaker. It is very possible after Messi's injury our training sessions, became more dedicated to improve our other players creative skills. Neymar is still young, he is still developing as a player. In his first season he was nothing special, in his second he became reliable finisher, in his 3rd he has improved his playmaking skills. I don't see it as unrealistic if he really started concentrating on weaker aspects of his game.

Anyway, here are his stats from Squawka. He improved in all creative stats compared to last season. His posession score went from 5 to 14.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#la_liga/2014/2015/neymar/176/136/5001/0/p|la_liga/2015/2016/neymar/176/176/5001/0/p|la_liga/2014/2015/lionel_messi/176/136/1569/0/p|la_liga/2015/2016/andr%C3%A9s_iniesta/176/176/307/0/p|la_liga/2014/2015/ivan_rakitic/176/136/12/73/p#possession_score/pass_completion/chances_created/successful_take_ons_%/key_passes/assists/avg_pass_length/total_backward_passes/goals_-_left_footed#90

 

[JamDav1982]

Of course it can change, especially if you are forced to improve, because of absence of your best playmaker. It is very possible after Messi's injury our training sessions, became more dedicated to improve our other players creative skills. Neymar is still young, he is still developing as a player. In his first season he was nothing special, in his second he became reliable finisher, in his 3rd he has improved his playmaking skills. I don't see it as unrealistic if he really started concentrating on weaker aspects of his game.

Anyway, here are his stats from Squawka. He improved in all creative stats compared to last season. His posession score went from 5 to 14.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix#la_liga/2014/2015/neymar/176/136/5001/0/p|la_liga/2015/2016/neymar/176/176/5001/0/p|la_liga/2014/2015/lionel_messi/176/136/1569/0/p|la_liga/2015/2016/andr%C3%A9s_iniesta/176/176/307/0/p|la_liga/2014/2015/ivan_rakitic/176/136/12/73/p#possession_score/pass_completion/chances_created/successful_take_ons_%/key_passes/assists/avg_pass_length/total_backward_passes/goals_-_left_footed#90

What makes up the possession score?

Things like number of passes - he will have more and simpler passes as he has been the main focal point of attack in terms of dropping deep, gettting on ball more to help set tempo. Which he rarely did last season.

Or in terms of assists? As his role this season has seen the team look for him earlier to be the main creative force.

Ability just does not go from someone who struggles to keep possession to arguably the most creative passer in the world. It is all about the role in the team and the confidence of Neymar to be that all round player.

 

[serghei]

Of course it can change, especially if you are forced to improve, because of absence of your best playmaker. It is very possible after Messi's injury our training sessions, became more dedicated to improve our other players creative skills.

No. Neymar already showed with Brazil he can be a playmaker and can make things happen for his teammates, outside of mostly scoring goal and make runs to get at the end of passes. So, for me at least, his performances now are not a surprise and have nothing to do with his ability being developed in 2 months. That is not possible. The things he does now, he already did before with Brazil. That's proof that his ability precedes his performances now and has been there for some time already. Messi getting injured just gave Neymar to chance to show some of the playmaking he already makes for Brazil on regular basis.

Btw, was this before of after his abilities improved?

 

[Observer]

Ability changes? This shit ain't FIFA/PES

 

[anguy]

What makes up the possession score?

Things like number of passes - he will have more and simpler passes as he has been the main focal point of attack in terms of dropping deep, gettting on ball more to help set tempo. Which he rarely did last season.

Or in terms of assists? As his role this season has seen the team look for him earlier to be the main creative force.

Ability just does not go from someone who struggles to keep possession to arguably the most creative passer in the world. It is all about the role in the team and the confidence of Neymar to be that all round player.

His simple passes/backward passes actually went down compared to last season - that's the reason why I included them. Avg pass length is also 25% higher - he is NOT playing it more safe. And despite making more risky passes his total pass % stayed the same.

 

[JamDav1982]

His simple passes/backward passes actually went down compared to last season - that's the reason why I included them. Avg pass length is also 25% higher - he is NOT playing it more safe. And despite making more risky passes his total pass % stayed the same.

Of course he is not playing it more safe he is the man they have been looking to unlock defences.

Which means other players make early runs when he gets on it as he has been doing last season which makes it easier to make those passes.

It is not reality to think a player magically develops these skillls in two months. When he has been showing those pasing skills and all round game for Brazil in the past.

If you are right both Messi and Neymar will be these types of players and both score/assist thirty odd goals while scoring 50 odd or that ratio depending on games.

In my opinion that is impossible.

 

[anguy]

No. Neymar already showed with Brazil he can be a playmaker and can make things happen for his teammates, outside of mostly scoring goal and make runs to get at the end of passes. So, for me at least, his performances now are not a surprise and have nothing to do with his ability being developed in 2 months. That is not possible. The things he does now, he already did before with Brazil. That's proof that his ability precedes his performances now and has been there for some time already. Messi getting injured just gave Neymar to chance to show some of the playmaking he already makes for Brazil on regular basis.

OK, you have your opinion and I have mine. Let's leave it at that. I'm saying that the player I saw last season was not turning the ball over or having his passes constantly intercepted because of tactical role. I saw a player who tried, but couldn't pull it off. Also playmaking is the skill most depending on understanding with other teammates. Last season was just his second in club and he played just few months together with Suarez.

 

[serghei]

Fair enough.

 

[xXKonan]

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[Height18]

Some of the created chances:

Love that Im not seeing a drop off on him still creating a lot of chances the past 3 games.

 

[Therle]

Stating the obvious, i can't believe how good he is playing. He is so dangerous and mature on the pitch.

 

[Truthist]

Messi will always be the king but I get the feeling we are nearly entering Neymar era. He is playing at an extraordinary high level and making it look so easy.

 

[kollegah]

5star skills and 5 star weak foot, EA knows