7 - Ferran Torres
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Highly doubt he can score 30 goals per season even if the midfield is elite at creating chances.
20 goals seem to be possible though.
MTL_Barca
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He's doing fine so far imo. Was expensive considering our situation, but in general 50ish million really isn't anything special these days, especially under these circumstances (21yo, elite club, spanish NT, long contract, winter window), in times where the most sought after attackers are priced double that.
Not gonna be our next superstar player, but should contribute goals and can play multiple positions.
Not gonna be our next superstar player, but should contribute goals and can play multiple positions.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Have any wide players at Barca bar Messi and Neymar scored 30 goals in season?
Likes of Pedro averaged about 15 and scored over 20 twice. Villa did it once in his x3 seasons.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Yes and where does it say four ops were unsucesfull?
The first three were basically the same treatment attempt and fourth to this point has not been a failure.
Had they gone for the fourth op from start the knee would be the same as is now.
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iniestaGOAT
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Cause Messi was hogging all the goals back then. Others didnt need to.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
How many before Messi? Or at Real outwith Ronaldo scored 30+?
Works both ways. Messi was top assister going and would allow more freedom on other side of park so could be easier to get goals with him and Neymar probably 2nd all time for wide players goals in a season at Barca played with Messi anyway.
Neymar scored more goals than any wide player bar Messi has and Suarez scored more than any CF in recent times as well. Playing with Messi didnt make players stop scoring as didnt need to.
BBZ8800
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I don't know.
I remember in 2003, I was watching that famous friendly match between Sporting and Man Utd when 18 year old Ronaldo was making fools out of Man Utd (it looked way more impressve live than on highlights videos) when Man Utd players begged Sir Alex on a flight home to sign that kid.
Barca wanted Beckham, we lost him to RM.
Then Man Utd wanted Ronaldinho, but they lost it to us.
And then Man Utd signed young Ronaldo.
I didn't care about Man Utd, but I started to watch their matches and the only waited for: come on, Sir Alex, put that kid onto field, I want to watch his tricks, runs, cockiness and how he is making fools out of everyone.
My point is:
1. Cr7 turned from a player who was making tricks, dribbles and runs into a scorer = but the point is, deep down in him, he had those skills and he was using those skills when he needed to shoot (slight body/hip movement to get rid of the opponent and to get a clear shot on goal)
On the other hand, Ferran is not a guy who can make those dribbles, body feints and similar.
2, further, Cr7 was always a leader. Aged 18, he would take the ball and tried to create something on his own.
When Ferran takes the ball, he passes it "to someone else" and he waits for someone else to create something for him.
3. their mentality/body language/cockiness. Cr7 was master in that area. Ferran is a guy who cries on a field.
Ok, he is showing some passion with his tears, but in general, Cr7 was a weird, cocky, confident, driven dude with tons of dribbling skills and later he improved in finishing. But I would dare to say that his ice-cold finishing was also somewhat influenced by his:
1) ice cold personality
2) cocky personality and insane levels of belief in himself (look at Cr7's pens in the 90s minute and Messi's pens, for example. A huge difference in mental strength).
3) high attacking/dribble/technique skills while he was a winger-wizzard at Sporting and Man Utd
So, I would say that Ferran is miles behind young Cr7 in every single of these skills.
Further, about personality traits, I have wrote a few times that for attacking/winger/Cf position, you usually need to be somewhat cocky, brave, proactive.
For example:
1. Cr7 = cocky, insanely self-confident
2. Zlatan. A psycho how self confident and cocky he is
3. Ronaldinho = quite confident and cocky (remember his goal on a WC 2002 vs England, goal celebrations, a leader, taking responsibility on his shoulders etc)
4. Mbappe = quite cocky
5. Haaland = quite cocky, confident, ice cold
6. Lewa = quite confident and ice cold
There is also Messi, who isn't similar to them personality wise, but he had GOAT skills so he compensated that way.
In that sense, I was often surprised when Barca bought players like Dembele, who isn't any sort of a leader, or confident or cocky.
Coutinho failed for the similar reasons.
But we had one golden generation filled with shy-choir boys and too many people around Barca think that it is the way to go and how personality/mentality doesn't matter.
Yet, I would say that we won during Messi-Xavi-Iniesta because we had technically insane team led by Goat Messi.
But in 99% of other situations, you'll never be able to build such a technical team and then your shy attackers/leaders will suck.
Anyway, about Ferran, on top of his bad pace, inability to dribble, I would put his personality where he doesn't look like a cocky leader/proactive guy, which is usually a must combination for top level attackers.
All in all, 100s of things would need to turn into his favor for him to turn into a top level.
My bet would be:
90% a fail
10% turning his career around and improving drastically our of nowhere
Errrrr.... After three failed arthroscopies ...
The fourth was presumably was not that successful given he is still crocked and it was 9 months ago
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I admire your optimism
A very good assessment of the situation
JamDav1982
Senior Member
So three operations you are claiming failed but they were all part of the first attempt to avoid the removal anyway.
The fourth is not linked to current injuries to say it failed.
But they operated three times .. unsuccessfully as it states ..then a fourth time last May .
Why are you being so obtuse ?
Nazario1985
Senior Member
Again calm down !! wait & see against a decent Team.
Not against a team who lost everything and perform mediocre at best.
Not against a team who lost everything and perform mediocre at best.
khaled_a_d
Senior Member
3 times was never confirmed information, and it is said one of those was actually a diagnostic procedure.
Jamdav is right, practically it was like an only one successful operation. Just not the one they hoped (to preserve full meniscus)
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