9 - Luis Suárez - v1

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Ursegor

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Suarez did play on the wing for Ajax, I know, but more as a false winger of sorts. He had a free role, basically. His best performances, though, have been when he was fielded in central positions. He might be able to play as a winger, but that wouldn't get the best out of him, I believe. If he has to play as a winger, he would probably have to be very disciplined defensively, otherwise we will be torn to shreds by good teams on the counterattack, because Messi's work rate has dropped dramatically.

I hope Lucho finds a solution for these potential problems, but Suarez's transfer, for all his qualities, doesn't make sense to me in a tactical sense. His temperament would certainly help, and he's very dangerous individually, but I fear that we won't get the most out of him and/or our other attackers because they don't appear to be well-suited to play together in a balanced formation. For me, it feels like chucking on as many individual quality up front as we can find instead of looking for a solution that would suit the players as a team, in order to maximize their individual strengths. For that reason, I used the term 'Real Barcelona', because it reminds me of a certain club in the capital of Spain. But then again, Ancelotti found a way to field his best individual players in a rather balanced formation, so I hope I'm wrong.

I don't see your problem tbh. Neymar is playing on the left wing as usual. Messi in the center as usual. Iniesta in midfield as usual. Suarez will play a wide-forward-CF hybrid role. Like Eto'o did. Like Villa did. Like Ronaldo does for Real Madrid for years. Where is the problem with the balance? It's Henry-Messi-Eto'o reloaded. Will Suarez get 30+ goals without penalties like at Liverpool? Probably not. Doesn't mean he won't enhance the collective regardless.
 
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Jesse1509

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I don't see your problem tbh. Neymar is playing on the left wing as usual. Messi in the center as usual. Iniesta in midfield as usual. Suarez will play a wide-forward-CF hybrid role. Like Eto'o did. Like Villa did. Like Ronaldo does for Real Madrid for years. Where is the problem with the balance? It's Henry-Messi-Eto'o reloaded. Will Suarez get 30+ goals without penalties like at Liverpool? Probably not. Doesn't mean he won't enhance the collective regardless.

Neymar, Suarez and Messi don't have to defend in their national teams. I fear they wouldn't be up to the task of heavy pressing again, which we will probably need in order to beat the top teams in Europe, since we can't drop deep because our defenders don't exactly shine in those situations. With Henry-Messi-Eto'o, that was less of an issue, because we actually had height at the back. Right now, any cross could kill us, because Alves, Masch and Alba can't be expected to win headers, unlike the defenders in the HME-times. I hope Lucho can instill the necessary pressing-discipline again. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but I'm still worried about our defensive solidity.
 

ViscaBarca914

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I just don't get something...what are people talking about regarding not needing him up front? Who would you want instead of the third best player in the world? Someone who will just feed Messi the ball and let him do all the work? We had that. His name is Alexis and we saw how that worked out at the top level. Not to say it was terrible...but it was certainly lacking. Suarez adds so much more than goals. No matter how you look at it he is infinitely more dangerous than Alexis. Whether it be his finishing, his passing, or his dribbling ability he is a huge upgrade. He has all those things I listed as well as phenomenal work rate in both offense AND defense, a desire to leave it all on the pitch, and a winning mentality.
Who do you people want up front that would "suit the team" better than Suarez? It makes no sense to me. Messi needs help. The kind of help Neymar alone can't provide just yet. Messi can't run like he used to and until we know whats up with his fitness we have to accept that it might stay like this for a while. We didn't get Suarez just for the sake of having him as a big name. He is going to be very important to this team returning to the summit of Europe.
I just don't get it. You want a player of less quality up there so we can continue doing things just like last season? It's not cutting it anymore and the signing of Suarez shows us that Lucho knows this.
Just wait. What his presence on the pitch will provide has already been covered.

AND FOR FUCKS SAKE! We are going to sign CB's! Just fucking wait a bit! Getting Suarez has no impact whatsoever on our signing of a CB! They have nothing to do with each other!
 

Ursegor

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Neymar, Suarez and Messi don't have to defend in their national teams. I fear they wouldn't be up to the task of heavy pressing again, which we will probably need in order to beat the top teams in Europe, since we can't drop deep because our defenders don't exactly shine in those situations. With Henry-Messi-Eto'o, that was less of an issue, because we actually had height at the back. Right now, any cross could kill us, because Alves, Masch and Alba can't be expected to win headers, unlike the defenders in the HME-times. I hope Lucho can instill the necessary pressing-discipline again. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but I'm still worried about our defensive solidity.

Okay, now I understand your problem. But I don't understand why this is related to Suarez for you. Replacing Alexis with Suarez doesn't make the entire collective defensive system crumble all of a sudden. It's really a completely independent issue. Plus Suarez is a hardworking player. As is Neymar. Most balls recovered in the opposition half in the World Cup or so I've read.
 

Ursegor

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people dont have a clue. neymar presses well too.

Yeah, many people seem to assume "big star player = lazy". Suarez has Mandzukic-esque workrate. He's also quite tall, about 6 ft. Add Rakitic and Rafinha in midfield and Lucho as coach and we've already upgraded in the physicality, energy and height department without even buying a defender yet. I'm not worried about defense next season.
 

Neymessi

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Don't forget that rocketic/suarez have insane long shots, this will be a new weapon to break down buses that we didn't have before.

Long shots may look like a good solution as does not require getting past the bus but long shot in parked bus is disadvantageous too because there are so many bodies to block the long shot.
 

ViscaBarca914

BLASPHEMY!
Indeed :worthy:!
Does anyone know what Suarez's FK conversion rate is like? I've seen him score plenty but I just wonder how many he actually takes. Either way I think he is better than both Xavi and Neymar.
 
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