9 - Robert Lewandowski

[Maradona37]

The only cult I see existing is the one of Messi. Look at all these fellows here with PessiMessi, ChujoMessi, PizdaMessi, MessiSressi and such, in their nicknames...like they're under some spell of magic, which never affected me.
In fact, Messi bores me like the Lord of the Rings does, I just fall asleep before 1 hour mark. I might as well watch it instead of taking a sleeping pill. Yet, I don't go movies (read Messi) thread and call it shit. I have no problem entrusting that it's a masterpiece.

Better experts than you, due respect reserved there of course, whose authority of opinion I am confident of and who are worthy my trust, voiced their opinion about Lewandowski being great and best in 2020 and Ballon d'Or deprived, that align with mine own. Besides, I trust my own instincts.
You disagree? Tough shit, Pal. I'll have to live with that. It is not like our livelihoods depend on it.

No, there is definitely a cult around Lewandowski. Everyone acts like the sun shines out of his arsehole. Even if there is a cult around Messi, it is well deserved as he's arguably the best player ever, or at least top two with Maradona.

Lewandowski is inferior to many many players in history, and shouldn't have any sort of cult. Certainly all the creeps on here who live in his arsehole...he's not at any sort of level of player to warrant that sort of sycophancy. Footballing 'cults' should be reserved for the top 10-15 players of all time.

Resorting to appeals to authority is pathetic. 'They know more than you'. Many people in football are thick, and get loads wrong, and they obviously had a bias towards Lewa.

The fact you had to resort to 'expert opinion' and arguments from authority (fallacious argument) shows you lost the argument. Furthermore, many agreed with me too, so your argument doesn't even make any sense at all.

Also, I am talking about 2021, NOT 2020. I agree he deserved it in the COVID year.

You're a Polish guy who loves Lewa obviously, so biased as fuck. You also started supporting Barca 'temporarily' in your 50s, because a countryman joined them. Like a teenage girl following Justin Bieber around. So forgive me if I don't take your opinion on football or Lewandowski on board.

 

[Maradona37]

Also, this is a Barcelona forum. Messi is the greatest player in the club's history. Many people (not all) love Messi because they were originally Barca supporters and drawn to him for what he done for the club.

Whereas you are the opposite - a Lewandowski supporter who doesn't give a fuck about Barca. You said as much and have it indicated in your username. When Lewy leaves, you will follow him to his next club or the dark abyss of retirement. Whereas 'messi lovers' are still here supporting Barca and will be long after you and Lewy leave.

See the distinction? Game, set, match, Maradona37.

 

[TemporaryFan]

No, there is definitely a cult around Lewandowski. Everyone acts like the sun shines out of his arsehole. Even if there is a cult around Messi, it is well deserved as he's arguably the best player ever, or at least two two.

Lewandowski is inferior to many many players in history, and shouldn't have any sort of cult.

Resorting to appeals to authority is pathetic. 'They know more than you'. Many people in football are thick, and get loads wrong, and they obviously had a bias towards Lewa.

The fact you had to resort to 'expert opinion' and arguments from authority (fallacious argument) shows you lost the argument. Furthermore, many agreed with me too, so your argument doesn't even make any sense at all.

Also, I am talking about 2021, NOT 2020. I agree he deserved it in the COVID year.

You're a Polish guy who loves Lewa obviously, so biased as fuck.

Please trust me...the last thing I need is someone's authority for shaping my own views. I was just pointing it out to you, and wanted to do it politely, that not only I and a few others here, as you call them, creeps, appreciate Lewandowski's talent but also quite many other well known voices, who are not known for being creeps but rather neutral, sensible football critics, and that it would perhaps give you some food for thought, another perspective, that it is not necessarily us, who are mentally afoul, by being somehow fixated about Lewandowski but maybe it is you, and a few others here, so biased against him for all the wrong reasons, that your frequenting this thread to belittle him or US for liking him looks so rediculous.

 

[TemporaryFan]

Also, this is a Barcelona forum. Messi is the greatest player in the club's history. Many people (not all) love Messi because they were originally Barca supporters and drawn to him for what he done for the club.

Whereas you are the opposite - a Lewandowski supporter who doesn't give a fuck about Barca. You said as much and have it indicated in your username. When Lewy leaves, you will follow him to his next club or the dark abyss of retirement. Whereas 'messi lovers' are still here supporting Barca and will be long after you and Lewy leave.

See the distinction? Game, set, match, Maradona37.

It is very possible, actually quite normal, to root for FC Barcelona via rooting for a given player. Multiple examples of that elsewhere.
There's nothing wrong with that, whatsoever.

 

[Maradona37]

Please trust me...the last thing I need is someone's authority for shaping my own views. I was just pointing it out to you, and wanted to do it politely, that not only I and a few others here, as you call them, creeps, appreciate Lewandowski's talent but also quite many other well known voices, who are not known for being creeps but rather neutral, sensible football critics, and that it would perhaps give you some food for thought, another perspective, that it is not necessarily us, who are mentally afoul, by being somehow fixated about Lewandowski but maybe it is you, and a few others here, so biased against him for all the wrong reasons that your frequenting this thread to belittle him or US for liking him is rediculous.

Never said there's anything wrong with liking him or rating him. He's a very good striker.

But the hysteria around him - as both a footballer and a person - is WAY out of line with his actual ability. His fans on on here treat him like he's the greatest striker ever, had individual trophies robbed. Guys like you and Tempt saying he's better than R9 etc, or at least on his level.

In football terms, it is completely disrespectful and a betrayal of genuine, non-deluded conversation.

When someone like Tempt says Lewy is better than R9, and uses deeply out of context stats to justify it, you know that strays very far into fanboy territory and that person has a blind bias towards Lewy.

 

[Maradona37]

It is very possible, actually quite normal, to root for FC Barcelona via rooting for a given player. Multiple examples of that elsewhere.
There's nothing wrong with that, whatsoever.

I disagree, it is very modern fan to move from club to club as your favourite player moves there. Especially at your age - you are way too old to be fanboying over footballers young enough to be your son - no offence.

The original idea of football clubs was to support the club in your local community. We are very far from that now. But supporting individual players like Ronaldo fanboys do is weird. Like one pathetic gimp I saw saying he can stop following a 'terrible league' like Serie A because Ronaldo was leaving it - imagine following a league you evidently hate because of your fanboy crush on a SINGLE PLAYER?

Maybe I am old-school but I believe in supporting your local team. I can accept supporting a big club in another country, that is football now.

But what I will NEVER EVER be on board with is following individual players to the clubs they go to. It is weird as fuck. I guess you supported Lewy's Bayern if Bayern played against Barca and then earlier this season it was the opposite. Don't you see how cheap and hollow that is?

But then, you have been a part of the American culture for many years, where it is normal to transfer club (sorry 'franchise') allegiances like you're changing your favourite food.

 

[TemporaryFan]

Never said there's anything wrong with liking him or rating him. He's a very good striker.

But the hysteria around him - as both a footballer and a person - is WAY out of line with his actual ability. His fans on on here treat him like he's the greatest striker ever, had individual trophies robbed. Guys like you and Tempt saying he's better than R9 etc, or at least on his level.

In football terms, it is completely disrespectful and a betrayal of genuine, non-deluded conversation.

When someone like Tempt says Lewy is better than R9, and uses deeply out of context stats to justify it, you know that strays very far into fanboy territory and that person has a blind bias towards Lewy.

Hysteria?
Common man. Aren't you exegerating? There's only a handful of his ardent, yet critical supporters here, such as me, and maybe one @Temptation, one level higher, who 'usurped' the role of his unconditional social media guardian angel. Good for him.
Besides that, the rest, who make this thread a long novel, are his haters. I am not subscribed to his FB page, Twitter or whatever else, so I can't say what's going on there. But if you call hysterical of what's going on here, I have a different take of what hysteria is.

Of course, when some Jobrani comes here and says unwarranted shit, I'll stomp on them, That's what Lewa friends do. That's healthy and good.

 

[Maradona37]

Hysteria?
Common man. Aren't you exegerating? There's only a handful of his ardent, yet critical supporters such as me, and maybe one @Temptation, one level higher, who 'usurped' the role of his unconditional social media guardian angel. Good for him.
Besides that, the rest who make this thread a novel are his haters. I am not subscribed to his FB page, Twitter or whatever else, so I can't say what's going on there. But if you call hysterical of what's going on here, I have a different take of what hysteria is.

To be fair to you, you have criticised him at times. I seen that and noted it a month or so ago (though you seem to be straying into militant defence of him).

I am talking about the wider world - many on here have their eyes open on Lewandowski's limitations. But in the outside world, people DO NOT want to criticise him and hang out of his arsehole. I would bet good money that he is by far the most popular footballer in the world, in terms of ratio of people who like him to those who don't. Loads love Messi and Ronaldo, and hate them too. But hardly anyone criticises or 'hates' Lewy.

But yeah, you aren't as bad as some of them. But you have guys like Tempt with his twisting of facts, and that Tookien fucking weirdo who only EVER shows up to defend Lewandowski. And there's a few others like that. You cannot tell me it isn't hysteria or fanboyism.

 

[TemporaryFan]

I disagree, it is very modern fan to move from club to club as your favourite player moves there. Especially at your age - you are way too old to be fanboying over footballers young enough to be your son - no offence.

The original idea of football clubs was to support the club in your local community. We are very far from that now. But supporting individual players like Ronaldo fanboys do is weird. Like one pathetic gimp I saw saying he can stop following a 'terrible league' like Serie A because Ronaldo was leaving it - imagine following a league you evidently hate because of your fanboy crush on a SINGLE PLAYER?

Maybe I am old-school but I believe in supporting your local team. I can accept supporting a big club in another country, that is football now.

But what I will NEVER EVER be on board with is following individual players to the clubs they go to. It is weird as fuck. I guess you supported Lewy's Bayern if Bayern played against Barca and then earlier this season it was the opposite. Don't you see how cheap and hollow that is?

But then, you have been a part of the American culture for many years, where it is normal to transfer club (sorry 'franchise') allegiances like you're changing your favourite food.

First of all, the idea of football is sport. You can either play it or watch it or both. How you do it is up to you. There are no religious rules to it. What's the big deal of switching venues as it suits your current kibitzing needs? It's not like you betraying you country and switch sides during war or cheating on a wife by having whores at different brothels. It's only sport for fucks sake. Especially for people who aren't tied to the club geographically.
I explained it already. There's a player who is your favorite and you root for him, so naturally and automatically you root for the team he plays in. It is that simple.

Football is a team sport but evidently having your own dear favorites is not a thing uncommon. Look at you, you named yourself Maradona and there's his picture in your avatar.

 

[Messigician]

You can cheat on your wife but you can’t cheat on your club
“Titanium Cantona”

 

[Maradona37]

First of all, the idea of football is sport. You can either play it or watch it or both. How you do it is up to you. There are no religious rules to it. What's the big deal of switching venues as it suits your current kibitzing needs? It's not like you betraying you country and switch sides during war or cheating on a wife by having whores at different brothels. It's only sport for fucks sake. Especially for people who aren't tied to the club geographically.
I explained it already. There's a player who is your favorite and you root for him, so naturally and automatically you root for the team he plays in. It is that simple.

Football is a team sport but evidently having your own dear favorites is not a thing uncommon. Look at you, you named yourself Maradona and there's his picture in your avatar.

Just to address Maradona - that is because I rate him highly as a footballer. If he was playing now I'd love watching him but wouldn't follow him from club to club.

Also, my admiration for him is solely as a footballer - I acknowledge what a deeply flawed and abusive, toxic man he was. You will never see me defend him as a person (though a lot went wrong in his life to make him that way too).

Either way - you always seemed a decent guy (though I disagree with a lot of your political views) and I am sorry for being aggressive in this exchange. You didn't deserve it. But I guess I was just pissed off in general tonight.

I cannot be bothered arguing anymore - no doubt @Temptation will be along tomorrow to take issue with my posts, so might just ignore it all in future.

It just comes down to me thinking he's an excellent player, but not rating him anywhere near as highly as you and his other fans do on here.

I feel bad though as it feels like I have been judging the way you live, and that doesn't seem fair as you have done no harm to me. I just have a big bee in my bonnet about following individual players over teams. Have a good evening.

 

[Maradona37]

Also, probably been a bit harsh on @Temptation constantly referencing his Lewy love when he isn't even online to respond.

However, I don't know what it is. I have just never been able to wrap my head around being invested in a footballer off the park as well as on. It's something I am trying to understand but they are utter strangers to us and wouldn't even glance in our direction. I only care about them as I love watching great football and great footballers. What they do outside of that (as long as legal and not hurting anyone) means nothing to me.

 

[TemporaryFan]

But what I will NEVER EVER be on board with is following individual players to the clubs they go to. It is weird as fuck. I guess you supported Lewy's Bayern if Bayern played against Barca and then earlier this season it was the opposite. Don't you see how cheap and hollow that is?

yes I did. I can't say I care much about Bayern but sure when they play, I'll root for them more than say ManU or Real Madrid. That's because of Lewandowski's legacy.


It is just as fucked up as a realistic example, when hypothetically, one season the Half God Messi plays for Barcelona against PSG, and less than a year later he plays with PSG against Barca. Leaving all these nicknamed xxMessixx here confused and stranded what they gonna make of it if he scores against them.
Evidently, football can have different kibitzing facettes. You can go proritize National Team, a local club, and yes, an individual player. And how someone finds pleasure off of it is their own prerogative.

 

[Maradona37]

yes I did. I can't say I care much about Bayern but sure when they play, I'll root for them more than say ManU or Real Madrid. That's because of Lewandowski's legacy.


It is just as fucked up as a realistic example, when hypothetically, one season the Half God Messi plays for Barcelona against PSG, and less than a year later he plays with PSG against Barca. Leaving all these nicknamed xxMessixx here confused and stranded what they gonna make of it if he scores against them.
Evidently, football can have different kibitzing facettes. You can go proritize National Team, a local club, and yes, an individual player. And how someone finds pleasure off of it it is their own prerogative.

But I think if someone is genuinely a Barca fan they won't want Messi's PSG to beat Barca without Messi. In that case they're a Messi fan, not a Barca fan. If they originally got into Barca because of Messi and Messi means more to them than Barca, then they're what I describe.

Like Catalin and Soul on here are big Messi fans. But I am sure Barca matter more to them than Messi. Maybe some got into Barca because of Messi, but for many - at some point - Barca became more important than Messi himself.

Anyway can't be bothered debating anymore. I was planning to stay offline for months and months (had not posted for 5 days) but some comments I read when I lurked annoyed me so I decided to post. Likely try not to post now til next summer or something if possible.

Again, sorry for any offence caused. Believe it ot not, I dislike confrontation. I am just opinionated too so it is a bad mix.

 

[freetocan]

Are you watching the games?

Fuck him deeply. Has to be thrashed out coming summer. Sick to see him starting again. Useless.