Are Refs to Blame for Barca 2nd Place in LLiga?

[danumber10]

If u two have the decency to talk about the ref than take into consideration your second shouldn't have stand since Messi was offside and blocking the ref view to the shot of Tello

And you are referring to the Sergio Roberto touch /disallowed goal for Sanchez if Roberto didn't touch it , that it would have been a goal.. Roberto header pass made it an offside since Alexis was offside at that moment

It's a solid call but the ref let it slide..

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First, Messi was offisde in Tello's goal but he doesn't interfere in the play. I have watched the replay about a dozen times from different angles and Messi in no way interferes with the keeper vision. He has perfect vision of the goal. (Should we not question the fact that the keeper didn't even complain? why not? cause he was able to watch the ball coming towards him perfectly)

Second, the Alexis goal came after the reff had robbed us already. One offside goal , one disallowed goal. the game changed from the beginning . The robbery came at the beginning not the end.

 

[Aryagorn]

pitch size/pitch type/opposition fans/complacency/... i could go more with this

I give you complacency, but the rest are always there when you're playing away from home.

I didn't vote in this poll until last night, because I had a feeling that there's a bit of complacency that had creeped into our players/manager and that they hadn't been at their best this season. But then the ref's "mistakes" are quite blatant to not take seriously. As ginge said, it is happening two ways : Real getting undeserved advantage while we're getting punished!!

 

[Metaphysical]

Well it was the lack of training in the supercup , than wait for us in Feb as we are slow raisers now it's the ref

No it's not the refs , refs don't make you concede 3 goals from a team like Osasuna , there is a difference between 1 goal fluke and conceding 3 goals when you play with your first team defenders and main goalie
noticing none of these goals were even a penalty .

wake up and smell the coffee , the problem lies elsewhere not the refs

uhhhh, considering one of their goals was offside and Alexis (first disallowed) equaliser was wrongly ruled out for offside, yeah the refs kinda are responsible for the result. if we go in 1-1 at HT rather than 2-0 down, the entire second half has a different complexion.

can you believe they disallowed THREE of our goals? man, if that had happened to Real...

Piqué and especially Puyol did not adapt well to playing on that pitch in that wind (we're encountering Biblical weather this season - recall our trip to San Mamés) but the ultimate fact is the referee fucked us. should we have overcome even that? perhaps. but why is it we're the only team asked to fight our opponents and the referees? it's becoming a disturbing trend away from the Camp Nou. almost as disturbing as the refs bailing Real out whenever they look like struggling.

but we've certainly struggled since beating L'Hospitalet. but it hasn't helped that our Copa draw pitted us against fucking Real Madrid and Valencia, the 2nd and 3rd best teams in the country. 4 games against them in a month will drain anyone's energy, but add that to TWO trips to Pamplona, as visits to Espanyol and Villarreal... all at a time of year where we have traditionally struggled under Pep, and is anyone surprised our form has dipped? I mean look at our fixtures since L'Hospitalet (and our next 3 games too):

Osasuna home
Espanyol away
Osasuna away
Betis home
Real Madrid away
Malaga away
Real Madrid home
Villarreal away
Valencia away
Sociedad home
Valencia home
Osasuna away
Leverkusen away
Valencia home
Atleti away

the only easy game out of that whole bunch is Osasuna at home, and that was right at the fucking start. that's 15 games in 2 months, and we've not had Villa & Keita for any of them, Iniesta & Pedro for most, Alexis and Busquets have both had injuries and we've had to rotate Xavi because he's carrying a knock too. all at a time when we traditionally struggle under Pep.

is it really any wonder we've dropped points?

monster run of fixtures and a monster cup draw all coming in a six week period where we've always been at our lowest ebb since Pep took over. you'd almost think it'd been planned, eh?

you doomsayers need to chill.

 

[Aryagorn]

@ Meta

We have to accept one thing though... It's really a risk to have such a small squad when you're fighting for all the possible trophies. Pep always took the risk and this time it definitely failed.

Okay we have good amount of MFs and still the absurd number of injuries fucked us over. But lack of attackers & defenders? I mean Pique hasn't performed well, but are we in a position to drop his sorry ass on to the bench!? Messi playing all the fuckin' minutes, cannot Pep give him a serious talk and have an able replacement to rest him some times!?

Not to mention we had to play a 33 year old Abi in every fuckin' match this new year!!

I don't know man, it's really our fault not to have opted for a bigger squad. Sure we got to witness Tello & Cuenca as a result, but is it worth dropping a league title? That's up for debate

 

[Metaphysical]

@ Meta

We have to accept one thing though... It's really a risk to have such a small squad when you're fighting for all the possible trophies. Pep always took the risk and this time it definitely failed.

Okay we have good amount of MFs and still the absurd number of injuries fucked us over. But lack of attackers & defenders? I mean Pique hasn't performed well, but are we in a position to drop his sorry ass on to the bench!? Messi playing all the fuckin' minutes, cannot Pep give him a serious talk and have an able replacement to rest him some times!?

Not to mention we had to play a 33 year old Abi in every fuckin' match this new year!!

I don't know man, it's really our fault not to have opted for a bigger squad. Sure we got to witness Tello & Cuenca as a result, but is it worth dropping a league title? That's up for debate

where do you want to add to the squad, though?

everyone says "squad size" but... where? Adriano's been injured, which has meant we've had to play Abidal at LB all the time rather than moving him infield to CB. and because we've had so many big games this month, we've had to play Puyol a fuckload too.

Piqué hasn't been at his best but you can't drop him. we lose 90% of our effectiveness defending set-pieces without him, and of course Badger and Puyol are a horrible combination at the back. maybe if Fontas was fit, or if we were able to play Bilal at CB alongside Badger, we could have seen more rotation, but injuries prevented that. yeah we sold Maxwell & didn't replace him but he's fucking awful defensively so just who were we supposed to play him against in this month?

the forwards aren't even an issue. I'd much rather see Tello & Cuenca come through than see us sign someone (who, exactly?) to cover for Villa, Afellay and Pedro as well tbh. they know the system and thus they haven't let us down. they've also gained masses of experience that will stand them in good stead next season.

Messi wants to play every game - so let him play. it's not like he doesn't create 3/4 goalscoring chances for team-mates (regardless of what he does for himself) every match. the man's a fucking genius. him playing every game is emphatically NOT the problem.

but even if we wanted to rest him we couldn't, we've had a full-blown injury crisis since the end of December. how do you legislate for that? how deep does your squad have to go? the more people you sign, the more you bury your canteranos when everyone is fit (and that is NOT what this club stands for) so why do it? we've made 2 personnel mistake in the last two months: not signing/promoting a DM to be a backup to Busi in Keita's absence (thus taking Badger out of defence where he's at his best) and playing Puyol too much instead of keeping him fresh for crunch clashes. they're both interlinked, obv.

 

[Aryagorn]

We definitely needed another defender. Fontas, even when fit, never played much. Probably because he's not deemed able enough. So why not actually have one in his place!?
Like we have 3 CBs(one of them is converted recently mind you), 2 LBs and 1 RB in our squad!! It is definitely not enough

We didn't need much depth the previous 3 seasons but we never had a season ending injury that period, luckily. It didn't happen doesn't mean we shouldn't be ready for it, right!?

We couldn't rest Messi because of the injuries you say. But for me we couldn't have rested him even if the injuries didn't occur, there's just no replacement. Moreover the only player able enough to deputise for him is Villa, and as we all know he played through injury all the time!!
Of course there isn't a replacement for MEssi at all, in the entire football, but then the substitutes need not be as good as the main ones!!

We really sould start utilising the loaning system... at least we could still introduce youth players when presented with the right opportunity, instead of having to throw them right into high pressured games.

 

[Flavia]

uhhhh, considering one of their goals was offside and Alexis (first disallowed) equaliser was wrongly ruled out for offside, yeah the refs kinda are responsible for the result. if we go in 1-1 at HT rather than 2-0 down, the entire second half has a different complexion.

can you believe they disallowed THREE of our goals? man, if that had happened to Real...

Piqué and especially Puyol did not adapt well to playing on that pitch in that wind (we're encountering Biblical weather this season - recall our trip to San Mamés) but the ultimate fact is the referee fucked us. should we have overcome even that? perhaps. but why is it we're the only team asked to fight our opponents and the referees? it's becoming a disturbing trend away from the Camp Nou. almost as disturbing as the refs bailing Real out whenever they look like struggling.

That's the problem most people refuse to see. No one can denied the team is not playing well, but the refs problem can't be overlooked as well. I'd surely want to see rm get 3 disallowed goals in one game.

 

[Metaphysical]

We definitely needed another defender. Fontas, even when fit, never played much. Probably because he's not deemed able enough. So why not actually have one in his place!?
Like we have 3 CBs(one of them is converted recently mind you), 2 LBs and 1 RB in our squad!! It is definitely not enough

two LB's is fine, we only play one. and one of those LB's is a great CB, but when the other LB is injured as well we can't use him there! a 4th CB like Fontas was great, but he's not the best so someone like Bartra would be perfect. next season he'll be promoted tho, so problem solved in that sense.

we need a backup for Alves, but it's always tricky there because he's so fit he can play every game. still, Montoya will fill this role next season so again, the problem is solved from the cantera. admittedly we took a bit of a gamble with smaller numbers at the back, but then we overloaded on numbers in midfield & up-front and we're STILL stretched there! so nothing is certain. even if we had signed a CB, he'd have probably gotten injured!

 

[Aryagorn]

admittedly we took a bit of a gamble with smaller numbers at the back, but then we overloaded on numbers in midfield & up-front and we're STILL stretched there! so nothing is certain. even if we had signed a CB, he'd have probably gotten injured!

yeah, our shit luck

 

[Guardian]

If that happened to Madrid, their howling and yelling would be heard in Saturn, Jupiter and beyond. Of course their pampered royal club will never get such treatment. If they are so good, why they can't beat Barca?

 

[Chainsaw]

If that happened to Madrid, their howling and yelling would be heard in Saturn, Jupiter and beyond. Of course their pampered royal club will never get such treatment. If they are so good, why they can't beat Barca?

Yep that's it indeed! I never ceased to criticize many things about Barca in this season but this refreeing influencing the results against Barca and in Real's favor is happening every week, it's getting beyond pathetic!

 

[Aryagorn]

Yep that's it indeed! I never ceased to criticize many things about Barca in this season but this refreeing influencing the results against Barca and in Real's favor is happening every week, it's getting beyond pathetic!

let's just kick the shit out of that Mou bastard...every thing would return to normalcy!!

 

[Juan03]

Yes, to some extent

other factors like injuries, and fatigue have also influenced our liga standing. However, one would need to be really ignorant to not see how refs have adversely affected us.

 

[Beast]

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First, Messi was offisde in Tello's goal but he doesn't interfere in the play. I have watched the replay about a dozen times from different angles and Messi in no way interferes with the keeper vision. He has perfect vision of the goal. (Should we not question the fact that the keeper didn't even complain? why not? cause he was able to watch the ball coming towards him perfectly)

Second, the Alexis goal came after the reff had robbed us already. One offside goal , one disallowed goal. the game changed from the beginning . The robbery came at the beginning not the end.

Messi was in the line of sight for the keeper and it is considered distraction , refer to the rules please
sorry if the keeper is now whiner like the rest of you here
There is nothing called the ref robbed us already , that's pathetic attempt to hide the main point which you are quite bad this season and this has nothing to do with the refs .
instead you wait for imaginary calls and disallowed goals , while the main issue is how did you end up being 3 goals down in the first place against a team you schooled 8-0 earlier this season
but why do i care ? we will be in Cibeles celebrating while you count on this excuse and do the same crap you did last summer in pre-season

next step:
UEFA global conspiracy to make Barca lose the CL

watch the space

 

[Beast]

uhhhh, considering one of their goals was offside and Alexis (first disallowed) equaliser was wrongly ruled out for offside, yeah the refs kinda are responsible for the result. if we go in 1-1 at HT rather than 2-0 down, the entire second half has a different complexion.

can you believe they disallowed THREE of our goals? man, if that had happened to Real...

Piqué and especially Puyol did not adapt well to playing on that pitch in that wind (we're encountering Biblical weather this season - recall our trip to San Mamés) but the ultimate fact is the referee fucked us. should we have overcome even that? perhaps. but why is it we're the only team asked to fight our opponents and the referees? it's becoming a disturbing trend away from the Camp Nou. almost as disturbing as the refs bailing Real out whenever they look like struggling.

but we've certainly struggled since beating L'Hospitalet. but it hasn't helped that our Copa draw pitted us against fucking Real Madrid and Valencia, the 2nd and 3rd best teams in the country. 4 games against them in a month will drain anyone's energy, but add that to TWO trips to Pamplona, as visits to Espanyol and Villarreal... all at a time of year where we have traditionally struggled under Pep, and is anyone surprised our form has dipped? I mean look at our fixtures since L'Hospitalet (and our next 3 games too):

Osasuna home
Espanyol away
Osasuna away
Betis home
Real Madrid away
Malaga away
Real Madrid home
Villarreal away
Valencia away
Sociedad home
Valencia home
Osasuna away
Leverkusen away
Valencia home
Atleti away

the only easy game out of that whole bunch is Osasuna at home, and that was right at the fucking start. that's 15 games in 2 months, and we've not had Villa & Keita for any of them, Iniesta & Pedro for most, Alexis and Busquets have both had injuries and we've had to rotate Xavi because he's carrying a knock too. all at a time when we traditionally struggle under Pep.

is it really any wonder we've dropped points?

monster run of fixtures and a monster cup draw all coming in a six week period where we've always been at our lowest ebb since Pep took over. you'd almost think it'd been planned, eh?

you doomsayers need to chill.

It evens out Meta (the ref calls ) as i said Tello goal shouldn't be given in the first place
as for the schedule , i'm sorry but that applies to all teams who compete .. you prepare your squad for the season and not the first 11
as for the injuries refer back to your own pre-season