Asier Illarramendi

[unknowngenius10]

On a second thought, I think that is one of the reasons why Pep opted out... Rosell was always a transfer market guy, scooping up for the most marketable players from outside. He's like Florentino Perez a bit. And the dispute with Cruyff!!

it seems that florentino has changed his plan. Madrid have bought many young players are a very reasonable price. Ozil, isco, Verane

 

[Aryagorn]

it seems that florentino has changed his plan. Madrid have bought many young players are a very reasonable price. Ozil, isco, Verane

Varane is a good example, Illaramendi too... But Ozil and Isco, though young, was/is a star, no matter their age, even before signing for them. In their case he still only bought stars

 

[SamperFCB]

Just heard (Punto Pelota) that Real Madrid has offered the player a salary 4 times more than what he currently makes in Real Sociedad. He's currently making half a million. Madrid would pay 27 millions. Madrid are gonna be freaking BEAST! they are buying some of the best youth spanish talent. I remember Florentino promising the fans that he would buy many spanish players for the new project.
This guy would own that midfield. perfect replacement for xabi alonso!

Source? Because media are speaking that RM wants to give him 4x his current wage, but can't find anything on his current salary.

 

[Ursegor]

I say they are hoping to have the best team in europe one day. Nobody can be for certain that they will, but they do seem to have a good plan for now. do you really think Verane, Isco ( best player in under 21), illaramendi ( if they end up buying him) are overrated?

Randomly buying Spanish talent isn't a good plan. It's just an inferiority complex towards what Barca achieved in recent years. Take Isco for instance. Where does he even fit? On the left you have Ronaldo. In the center you have Özil. So they are going to play a slow, right-footed midfielder on the right wing? And that's going to improve which element of Real Madrid's play? People may have forgotten because he had a mediocre season in all the mess Mourinho created last year but Di Maria is the deadliest winger in the world when on-form. In 11/12 he was on his way to set a new assist record in La Liga before injuries stopped him halfway through. In Clasicos his lightning pace is always causing us problems on counterattacks. He tore Puyol a new one in the last Camp Nou match. So which new element does Isco exactly bring to the table that Real Madrid is lacking? It's a political buy.

And the U21 EC is completely irrelevant. Spain's first team is so stacked that they can use players like Thiago, Isco, Bartra, Montoya, Tello and De Gea for the U21s who are all Champions League experienced against infinitely more inexperienced teams. Italy was the second best team in the tournament and their whole backline consisted of Serie B players. Even Thiago looked like a God against them. Have you seen him having that kind of game in La Liga? I haven't. Only time he produced that kind of performance was in the Copa del Rey against Alaves who are a Segunda team. Germany for example could have entered the tournament with Gündogan, Götze, Draxler, ter Stegen etc. But they were all called up for the first team already so they didn't go back to the U21s.

Real Madrid is jumping too late on the bandwaggon. Spain's era is coming to an end with Xavi's decline. Thiago, Isco etc. won't reproduce that success.

 

[Zuess99]

Fuck why are they making such good signings, this is depressing.
But then again why do they want so many midfielders? They already have khedira, modric and xabi in that position! Unless they wanna sell some of them.
Great signing but kind of unnecessary .

 

[unknowngenius10]

Source? Because media are speaking that RM wants to give him 4x his current wage, but can't find anything on his current salary.

I watched it on Punto Pelota. It's a Spanish TV Show where they have many reporters come onto the show from all the major Spanish newspapers. It's on uploaded on YouTube. Do you speak Spanish? If you do, let me know and I'll give you the link for the channel.

 

[unknowngenius10]

Varane is a good example, Illaramendi too... But Ozil and Isco, though young, was/is a star, no matter their age, even before signing for them. In their case he still only bought stars

I wasn't emphasizing the status of superstar, I was referring more to the price(cheap) and age. Although Ozil was already famous, they only paid 15 millions for him. And Isco? 30 millions isn't too bad for the Spanish youngster with the brightest future in Spain.

 

[unknowngenius10]

Ursegor, I agree with many of your points. As to where Isco would play? I don't know but I think he might just alternate with Ozil and that way Ozil can arrive in good form at the end of the season. That's like saying that Thiago wouldn't make barca any better team if he stayed b.c he has no place to play as a starter. A player of the quality of Thiago or Isco are always good. Plus, we don't really know what formation Ancelotti will use. Isco can play many positions in attack. Also, I don't see how Verane and Illaramendi (if they get him) would be overrated. Varane is a good defender, he's also very young. And Illaramendi? This guy is a freaking genius. He is a machine to recover the ball but he's so good at passing the ball too. And the best? He's young.

 

[spark]

30 millions is what Alonso cost. I cant say hes worth that. More space for Ruben Pardo which I think has as much if not more potential and the increased responsibility will help him grow faster.

 

[SamperFCB]

I watched it on Punto Pelota. It's a Spanish TV Show where they have many reporters come onto the show from all the major Spanish newspapers. It's on uploaded on YouTube. Do you speak Spanish? If you do, let me know and I'll give you the link for the channel.

A link to the channel would be nice Gracias!

 

[SamperFCB]

30 millions is what Alonso cost. I cant say hes worth that. More space for Ruben Pardo which I think has as much if not more potential and the increased responsibility will help him grow faster.

Pardo > Illarra. Former is still unknown for the average football fan. They will find out next season how special he is.

 

[unknowngenius10]

A link to the channel would be nice Gracias!

Here's the link. I honestly don't remember in which video I saw the news ( i watched the entire show). Also, Marca and As are saying right now that the deal is about to de done.
http://m.youtube.com/user/piledriver090183
Cheers!

 

[unknowngenius10]

30 millions is what Alonso cost. I cant say hes worth that. More space for Ruben Pardo which I think has as much if not more potential and the increased responsibility will help him grow faster.

That's what his Clause is worth. Martinez wasn't worth what Bayern paid for him but that's how the market works now.

 

[DonAndres]

Randomly buying Spanish talent isn't a good plan. It's just an inferiority complex towards what Barca achieved in recent years. Take Isco for instance. Where does he even fit? On the left you have Ronaldo. In the center you have Özil. So they are going to play a slow, right-footed midfielder on the right wing? And that's going to improve which element of Real Madrid's play? People may have forgotten because he had a mediocre season in all the mess Mourinho created last year but Di Maria is the deadliest winger in the world when on-form. In 11/12 he was on his way to set a new assist record in La Liga before injuries stopped him halfway through. In Clasicos his lightning pace is always causing us problems on counterattacks. He tore Puyol a new one in the last Camp Nou match. So which new element does Isco exactly bring to the table that Real Madrid is lacking? It's a political buy.

And the U21 EC is completely irrelevant. Spain's first team is so stacked that they can use players like Thiago, Isco, Bartra, Montoya, Tello and De Gea for the U21s who are all Champions League experienced against infinitely more inexperienced teams. Italy was the second best team in the tournament and their whole backline consisted of Serie B players. Even Thiago looked like a God against them. Have you seen him having that kind of game in La Liga? I haven't. Only time he produced that kind of performance was in the Copa del Rey against Alaves who are a Segunda team. Germany for example could have entered the tournament with Gündogan, Götze, Draxler, ter Stegen etc. But they were all called up for the first team already so they didn't go back to the U21s.

Real Madrid is jumping too late on the bandwaggon. Spain's era is coming to an end with Xavi's decline. Thiago, Isco etc. won't reproduce that success.

When on form, Di Maria is deadly but you have to figure that he rarely IS on form. Isco is far from slow and could interchange with Ozil centrally and on the right, plus he's only 21 and will likely improve a lot more in the future. Isco is a very good transfer for them.

Spain u21 performance doesn't show much but Isco and Thiago have played well otherwise. Thiago was great in other games than the Alaves one, often being one of the most influential players on the pitch when he was. I don't believe Spain's domination is completely coming to an end. That's just a merit based statement that supports veterans like Xavi, Iniesta, etc. because of what they have done compared to young talents like Isco and Thiago who have yet to replicate that kind of success. At that young of an age, even Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, etc. would never have been tipped to go on to do such massive things. The fact that Spain's current crop of youngsters look capable of achieving those heights now show that it's well possible that the success could go on for a long time. They likely won't be at the same level of domination over other teams comparatively, but as a team I don't think they'll decline in quality. Right now is more of a transition phase, wait until after the WC when VDB retires and you'll see a shift to the younger generation. If Lopetegui does come in like I predict, then Spain will continue being a class team at the top of football.

 

[DonAndres]

Pardo > Illarra. Former is still unknown for the average football fan. They will find out next season how special he is.

Pardo has more potential, but it's kind of weird how Illa went from being completely unnoticed at Sociedad to being heavily praised (even over-praised) because of the u21 performance.