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CatalinR10

Senior Member
Which TV shows? Sounds like satire.
This here was not a joke.

You make excuses that being extremely racist on news and radios against romanians is considered satire but you say that is no joke when a referee said ,, give a yellow to the black guy ".


From what I understand regards to a lot of your posts , racism only matters for you when it's done against black people. When it's done against other nations , races , it's just a joke , not meant to be serious , satire , etc.



ok dude .
 

El Gato

Villarato!
You make excuses that being extremely racist on news and radios against romanians is considered satire but you say that is no joke when a referee said ,, give a yellow to the black guy ".

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Satire is absolutely allowed to use every avenue of speech, racist, sexist homophobic, anything you can think of because it is the one forum where you can say anything and not get in trouble. If you're getting triggered by a joke then it's your fault only.

You still didn't clarify what nature the TV show was BTW. If it wasn't satirical then it is not okay.

From what I understand regards to a lot of your posts , racism only matters for you when it's done against black people. When it's done against other nations , races , it's just a joke , not meant to be serious , satire , etc.

Re read then
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
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Satire is absolutely allowed to use every avenue of speech, racist, sexist homophobic, anything you can think of because it is the one forum where you can say anything and not get in trouble. If you're getting triggered by a joke then it's your fault only.

You still didn't clarify what nature the TV show was BTW. If it wasn't satirical then it is not okay.



Re read then

You think it would be ok for a tv show these days to take the piss out of black people in name of 'satire'?

There would be uproar and it would be taken as much more offensive than what the official did yesterday.
 

El Gato

Villarato!
So what? Dave Chappelle special (where he took the piss out the virtue signalling blacks) drew a big hoo-hah from the same circles, doesn't mean he couldn't do his special. It's the one forum where it is OK. Professional sphere where these things aren't established and you deal with people you don't know? No.

Anyway. Football time.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
So what? Dave Chappelle special (where he took the piss out the virtue signalling blacks) drew a big hoo-hah from the same circles, doesn't mean he couldn't do his special. It's the one forum where it is OK. Professional sphere where these things aren't established and you deal with people you don't know? No.

No it isnt and 'satire' hidden as racism has long been discussed as unacceptable.

Chappelle doing that skit is different from a skit taking piss out of black folk and laughing at them for stereotyped behaviours.

It is targetted racism and would be much more offensive. There would be uproar.
 
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El Gato

Villarato!
No it isnt and 'satire' hidden as racism has long been discussed as unacceptable.

Chappelle doing that skit is different from a skit taking piss out of black folk and laughing at them for stereotyped behaviours.

What kind of skit do you have in mind? Are there any examples?
 

Bulgroz

Senior Member
Catalinutz is, I think, referring to an incident during a football talk show, where one of the pundits did talk about the romanians as "chicken thieves" or something like that (don't really see the best translation for the french expression but, yeah, it was bad). This caused an outrage. The french equivalent of the FCC didn't like it either. So, yeah, it was bad, and people back then said it was bad. Don't really see what point he's trying to make.
 

serghei

Senior Member
People getting carried away with the victimization story.

I get that most of the posters here, who are probably white, look at this as a good opportunity to tilt the racism story on it's head and pretend like it's the world's fault for overreacting as opposed to racism being what it is. Yes, this isn't the worst case of racism we have seen - if we give him the benefit of the doubt, he very well could have not meant any harm by it.

Having said that, there's two things to consider here:-

1) Racism is very real. Racism in Europe is very real, and racism in football is very real. Within this context , you cannot be making a loose comment like identifying a person by his skin color, in the capacity one of the OFFICIALS in the game. When there is such an immense effort to battle racism, the referees need to be held to the highest standard, and they need to be trained that certain things are just off the table - and this is clearly one of them. I would expect any mature person who is in his position to understand the context and not refer to someone as 'the black guy'.

2) This tendency to move the argument to an extreme and exaggerate to the point where we start claiming that "we cannot use the word black now" or "if someone refers to me as white should I be offended" is quite old, and just unnecessary. It's a fact that black and other minorities have been the ones that have faced discrimination and racism by Caucasians for generations and hence there doesn't exist the concept of 'white shaming' someone. I am not going to get into this point further, there's enough out there one can read and watch about this, but yeah, just wanted to point that out.

Mate, this was just a communications misunderstanding. The ref could have been more careful. That's it.

So, here's the thing about a supposed racial incident.

There are some typical scenarios:

1) Clear racial insult. As if the ref said, "the nigger did it". In Romanian nigger is "negrotei". Te ref didn't use that offensive word.

2) Not a racial insult is when one actor in the conversation does not intend to racially insult another person, but the other person interprets it this way. Usually because of a cultural and linguistic difference. Many Latin languages, like Spanish, Romanian, Italian have the same word designating a black person. Negro, Negru, Nero. See the resemblance? They all mean black, although they sound closer to nigger. And since Latin language precedes the "nigger" word by thousands of years I don't see why it should change.

So, when 2) happens, it's simple. Guy A talks with Guy C (to be noted I skipped letter B), explains that it was a language error and that what he said is not a racial slur, shake hands and that's all. In a normal world.

If Guy C still takes offense, guy A politely apologizes. If Guy C is still pissed off, even after hearing the explanation and the apology, then he'll gonna have to live with the horror that languages of the world are different.
 
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Gnidrologist

Senior Member
Funny thing that non-woke whites just start to hate blacks even more because of these incidents. They see them as pampered babies, who throw temper tantrums for every little perceived offense, while coddling mommy state does whatever these crybabies demand.
 

El Gato

Villarato!
Funny thing that non-woke whites just start to hate blacks even more because of these incidents. They see them as pampered babies, who throw temper tantrums for every little perceived offense, wile coddling mommy state does whatever these crybabies demand.

Lol. Nope. Just you ma boi
 

Gnidrologist

Senior Member
Yep, mah boi. I have people in other both local and english speaking forums starting to agree with my point of view, despite thinking i was evil racist mere 5 years ago. Normies, who were ambivalent or even supportive of all the "antiracist" measures have become increasingly annoyed wit dumbfuckery like this. Some of them had real life negative consequences affecting their lives that made them wary. No wonder rightwing parties are gaining voters every year.
 

Morten

Senior Member
Yep, mah boi. I have people in other both local and english speaking forums starting to agree with my point of view, despite thinking i was evil racist mere 5 years ago. Normies, who were ambivalent or even supportive of all the "antiracist" measures have become increasingly annoyed wit dumbfuckery like this. Some of them had real life negative consequences affecting their lives that made them wary. No wonder rightwing parties are gaining voters every year.

Hope they dont agree with you on the whole pizzagate-stuff as well though.
 

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