Copa del Rey 1/16 final: UD Barbastro - Barca 2-3

[JamDav1982]

No you are missing it... you cant just point to fees.. salaries matter.

There is vert little difference on books between what Barca are paying for Inigo/Gundo and Romeu currently and what the cost of Bellingham to Real.

It is around 30m a season on both sides.

But you like to paint it as 'only Real could spend while Barca spent 3m'.

Completely wrong.

 

[serghei]

We had two of the best attacking players in the league on the books and let them go for cheap to sign much worse players.

They had very high salaries but cant have been less worth than what we have signed with their absence.

That needed to be done.

 

[serghei]

No you are missing it... you cant just point to fees.. salaries matter.

There is vert little difference on books between what Barca are paying for Inigo/Gundo and Romeu currently and what the cost of Bellingham to Real.

It is around 30m a season on both sides.

But you like to paint it as 'only Real could spend while Barca spent 3m'.

Completely wrong.

What are you talking about? Barca don't have the money to pay 120m on a player. You can't even get to the salary of the player if you can't pay the club that owns him first.

Why do you think the club only signed free transfers of reject loanees last summer?

The salary discussion is after hefty transfer fees are paid to the clubs that have these players under contract.

 

[JamDav1982]

What needed to be done?

At Barca.. Dembele was over rated and not as big an asset as made out, didnt perform in big games.. not better than Raphinha.. all to play down players Xavi has.

Dembele leaves... poor Xavi doesnt have the hundreds of millions to replace Dembele and Raphinha is not up to it.

Same old mental gymnastics.

 

[ajnotkeith]

That needed to be done.

Dembele was a more important player than Lewandowski... Its understandable why he wanted to be paid the same. He should really be getting more.


As for Griezmann theres no guarantees but with the performance he's showing at Atleti it would probably have been more worth to drop the Raphinha or Ferran signings to keep him.

 

[JamDav1982]

What are you talking about? Barca don't have the money to pay 120m on a player. You can't even get to the salary of the player if you can't pay the club that owns him first.

The salary discussion is after hefty transfer fees are paid to the clubs that have these players under contract.

I am saying the cost on books for Inigo, Gundo and Romeu is around the same as the cost on books Real currently paying for Bellingham.

But you try to portray it as Barca couldnt spend and Real spent huge money.

 

[serghei]

Dembele was a more important player than Lewandowski... Its understandable why he wanted to be paid the same. He should really be getting more.


As for Griezmann theres no guarantees but with the performance he's showing at Atleti it would probably have been more worth to drop the Raphinha or Ferran signings to keep him.

I agree with you. I want the club to get the money to keep the players and compete with the best clubs for better players. I just disagree with those that think there is a magical trick that is gonna land us these money.

If you fuck up in a business and lose money by making dumb decisions, like Barca did under Bartomeu, to save the business and bring it back, you need someone that would first invest big money in it. You cannot generate a lot of revenue if you don't inject big money first. And we're talking about BIIIIG money these days in football to go back at the top. Like in the many hundreds of millions.

Barcelona are just running an antiquated model for 2023 with a squad with no stars.

 

[JamDav1982]

Not sure where the 'no big names' argument lies when choose to spend more a year on books for likes of Lewa than Real are for Bellingham.

The amount paid for Lewa and Gundo on books could buy player for well over 100m and more on top. The money paid for those two is around same for Bellingham nd Doku combined for example.

But ignore that and just look at fees and make out those two cost 150m+ while Barca could 'only' spend 50m for Lewa and Gundo for free.

 

[serghei]

I am saying the cost on books for Inigo, Gundo and Romeu is around the same as the cost on books Real currently paying for Bellingham.

But you try to portray it as Barca couldnt spend and Real spent huge money.

That's only part of the story. How about the 100m up front needed to sign a player like Bellingham? Not to mention that to even get the chance to sign a player like Bellingham you'd probably need to invest some 200-300m in the squad just to attract him for the project.

Easier for Madrid to get Bellingham. They won the CL the year before and they also have a lot of money on hand. Also up front. Not just to support the cost on the books per years of contract.

You're just comparing apples to oranges.

 

[JamDav1982]

That's only part of the story. How about the 100m up front needed to sign a player like Bellingham?

There is rarely ever 100m paid upfront unless clause having to be met.. not how it works and regardless cash is not the issue for Barca it was the FFP rules.

As much as you try to make out likes of Gundo was free the rumoured salary of him and the overall cost of Lewa is similar to what Bellinhgam and Doku cost combined and that is before adding what Barca spent on others.

 

[delancey]

These days I prioritize trolling.

We are La Liga champions. This simple fact is something many of you ignore. I can't ignore that. So...

You just have to man up and stand by the team. It doesn't matter if Xavi is replaced, or if he leaves at the end of the season or not. The next manager is gonna face the same difficulties.

The club's problems atm are institutional. A good manager, like Xavi is, can fix or hide those on short term, like what happened last season. But beyond that, it's very difficult.

Most of the fans want many titles and to play great football. I want that too lol. But I just doubt that it can be done currently. The sooner you realize this, the better.

I was expecting us to field a whole bunch of youngsters; instead Xavi fielded Gala 11 against these bottom fodders, and, in the process, managed to make us play like total shit.

 

[CatalinR10]

Playing all these starting players and receiving 2 goals from a 4th division team is mad.

 

[serghei]

There is rarely ever 100m paid upfront unless clause having to be met.. not how it works and regardless cash is not the issue for Barca it was the FFP rules.

As much as you try to make out likes of Gundo was free the rumoured salary of him and the overall cost of Lewa is similar to what Bellinhgam and Doku cost combined and that is before adding what Barca spent on others.

Cash is also an issue. Some people really thinking Barca are sitting on a lot of money and are just hindered by player registration have no idea what is going on. The revenue of the club collapsed.

When Barca is gonna have 120m to pay on a player, or even close to that... the FFP problems are gonna get sorted too most likely. Any player the club affords to sign eventually gets registered too with La Liga.

 

[JamDav1982]

Cash is also an issue. Some people really think Barca are sitting on a lot of money and are just hindered by player registration have no idea what is going on. The revenue of the club collapsed.

When Barca is gonna have 120m to pay on a player, or even close to that... the FFP problems are gonna get sorted too most likely.

Cash isnt the issue and wouldnt stop those signings very rarely if ever is cash paid upfront on transfers.

Barca literally said when pulled the levers that it is not cash issue stopping the spending and out with the FFP rules would not be taking the levers.

Another example...If Barca had signed Zubimendi for 60m on 6 years contract last summer and say 10m a season.. that would be almost exactly what are paying for Gundo and Romeu currently.

Had they for example kept Chadi as 4th CB and not signed Inigo you are then looking at another potential 30m player on 4m a season for example.

Had Barca done that we would be saying they spent 90m on players... but it is the EXACT same cost on books as what have spent on these salaries and made out spent nothing.

 

[serghei]

Another example...If Barca had signed Zubimendi for 60m on 6 years contract last summer and say 10m a season.. that would be almost exactly what are paying for Gundo and Romeu currently.

Provided the club has 60m lying around somewhere in a hidden coffer. Which we don't. We need an extra lever for that.