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One of the espn-br commentators, Mauro Cezar Pereira, wrote an interesting piece about the crowds in europe, with focus on Barça, rm, bayern and dortmund. He was at the camp nou for the barça-bayern game. I've seen people complain about the crowd at Camp Nou here before, so I'd like to know what you guys think about it(google translation with some tweaks, sorry):
The triumph of who played better. Triumph of who knows how to support and cheer. Lessons from ball and stands.
Score in the semifinals, Germany 11 x 3 Spain. The two German representatives in the decision of the Champions League and the Spanish giants again out of the expected European final Real Madrid vs Barcelona. It will not happen, at least this time, reflecting the excellent time experienced by the two major German teams on the field and in the stands.
It's almost pathetic to observe the days before the decisive games in the Bernabeu and Camp Nou, with the press and Spanish clubs earnestly asking the fans to encourage their teams. First because to support the club is obvious function of the fan, second because there was no answer. Supporters of the two most important teams of the country do not know to... cheer.
Reflection of the gentrification of football that hits Real and Barca, as well as the English teams. Stadiums transformed into theaters with audiences replacing fans. Expensive tickets attract rich people, in general not ready to scream, fluttering in the stands. Sitting in numbered seats, follow the collation, leave money in bars, cafes and shops officers. Just do not cheer.
And they don't because they do not know how to support. These people do not have this profile and became almost all of whom go to the stadiums of such clubs. With that, the crowd turned into audience, cold, distant, able to scream goal, to applaud, but absolutely sterile when players on the field need an incentive, a support, an extra force. They have no idea how to give it.
The Germans have the virtue of preserving this aspect. Its stages, labeled as the same "arena" as Munich, have real supporters. Tickets more affordable and people going to the game with flags for the party, ready to shout, sing, jump, vibrate. They also "play" involved giving the support that makes the home field something heavy.
Englishmen have been discussing this for some time. Supporters from countries like Greece, Poland, Turkey and Cyprus dominated stages when visiting England. A group of only 3000 people to overcome 45 000, 75 000 in shouts, whether in Stamfortd Bridge or Old Trafford. It was the same in the Camp Nou. The just over 5000 fans Bayern shouted more than 90,000 barcelonistas.
We're not talking about chartacteristics from this or that people. Cheering had been vibrant in England and Spain. This week I saw the VT Real Madrid 4 x 0 Borussia Monchengladbach for the Uefa Cup in 1986. The Spanish television has spent the last few days remembering big comebacks ("remontadas" as they say) of Real and Barca, hoping that'd happen again.
And on that merengue reaction it was amazing the difference in audience behavior at the Bernabeu. Yes, Real Madrid had a vibrant crowd in the 1980s. Flags, shouts, songs ... The bleachers helped. It's not like that anymore, and on th Nou Camp the feeling of coldness is even greater. The Catalan people, who take pride when it comes to the agenda the idea of independence, does not react for Barça.
It is evident that the shouting of the fans is not sufficient to lead to "remontadas". Bayern were better, they're better now. But the shouts could help, as they helped the German champion in the battle of Munich. Presidents think about money, selling tickets for the higher prices possible. Of course, there is a demand and business, and the good old law of supply and demand is what governs it all.
But football is not just a business. It is above all a passion. And without the screaming of fanatical people and willing to practically give it all for their team, it becomes harder to chase that ball seemingly lost or dispute the split with the opponent. This extra "fuel" was available for only one team in this semifinal, Bayern with their fans.
Because the Germans want to profit too, but still have not abandoned this basic principle of our sport. And real fans, not spectators, are key to this. On behalf of everyone that one day got sun, rain, cheered, suffered, cried and laughed in the stands, in general, it was a triumph of football. Yes, fans also "play"!
The triumph of who played better. Triumph of who knows how to support and cheer. Lessons from ball and stands.
Score in the semifinals, Germany 11 x 3 Spain. The two German representatives in the decision of the Champions League and the Spanish giants again out of the expected European final Real Madrid vs Barcelona. It will not happen, at least this time, reflecting the excellent time experienced by the two major German teams on the field and in the stands.
It's almost pathetic to observe the days before the decisive games in the Bernabeu and Camp Nou, with the press and Spanish clubs earnestly asking the fans to encourage their teams. First because to support the club is obvious function of the fan, second because there was no answer. Supporters of the two most important teams of the country do not know to... cheer.
Reflection of the gentrification of football that hits Real and Barca, as well as the English teams. Stadiums transformed into theaters with audiences replacing fans. Expensive tickets attract rich people, in general not ready to scream, fluttering in the stands. Sitting in numbered seats, follow the collation, leave money in bars, cafes and shops officers. Just do not cheer.
And they don't because they do not know how to support. These people do not have this profile and became almost all of whom go to the stadiums of such clubs. With that, the crowd turned into audience, cold, distant, able to scream goal, to applaud, but absolutely sterile when players on the field need an incentive, a support, an extra force. They have no idea how to give it.
The Germans have the virtue of preserving this aspect. Its stages, labeled as the same "arena" as Munich, have real supporters. Tickets more affordable and people going to the game with flags for the party, ready to shout, sing, jump, vibrate. They also "play" involved giving the support that makes the home field something heavy.
Englishmen have been discussing this for some time. Supporters from countries like Greece, Poland, Turkey and Cyprus dominated stages when visiting England. A group of only 3000 people to overcome 45 000, 75 000 in shouts, whether in Stamfortd Bridge or Old Trafford. It was the same in the Camp Nou. The just over 5000 fans Bayern shouted more than 90,000 barcelonistas.
We're not talking about chartacteristics from this or that people. Cheering had been vibrant in England and Spain. This week I saw the VT Real Madrid 4 x 0 Borussia Monchengladbach for the Uefa Cup in 1986. The Spanish television has spent the last few days remembering big comebacks ("remontadas" as they say) of Real and Barca, hoping that'd happen again.
And on that merengue reaction it was amazing the difference in audience behavior at the Bernabeu. Yes, Real Madrid had a vibrant crowd in the 1980s. Flags, shouts, songs ... The bleachers helped. It's not like that anymore, and on th Nou Camp the feeling of coldness is even greater. The Catalan people, who take pride when it comes to the agenda the idea of independence, does not react for Barça.
It is evident that the shouting of the fans is not sufficient to lead to "remontadas". Bayern were better, they're better now. But the shouts could help, as they helped the German champion in the battle of Munich. Presidents think about money, selling tickets for the higher prices possible. Of course, there is a demand and business, and the good old law of supply and demand is what governs it all.
But football is not just a business. It is above all a passion. And without the screaming of fanatical people and willing to practically give it all for their team, it becomes harder to chase that ball seemingly lost or dispute the split with the opponent. This extra "fuel" was available for only one team in this semifinal, Bayern with their fans.
Because the Germans want to profit too, but still have not abandoned this basic principle of our sport. And real fans, not spectators, are key to this. On behalf of everyone that one day got sun, rain, cheered, suffered, cried and laughed in the stands, in general, it was a triumph of football. Yes, fans also "play"!
Modern football.
