Dani Ceballos

[clemente]

He doesn't seem like a smart dude but if he has IQ above 80, no way hes gonna join Madrid. The only time he would play would be in Copa Del Ray subbed in at 70'.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Can party understand midfielders that would rather join Real than Barca. Especially if Messi is going to be at AM.

There is a lot given up by midfield for MSN and Messi in particular.

I would disagree with that. RM midfield now is more like MSN last year. You aren't gonna get chances there with all those established midfielders.
Asensio,Kovacic,Iscoa,Kroos all are young talented player who have advantage of knowing the team and being there for some time and they are 21-27 years of age only. Kroos and Modric is a bit untouchable atm. even James might stay too.
I am not sure why a midfielder would sign for them over us.
Our midfield is more open tbh.

 

[gasgas]

I find it very hard to contribute to the discussion when there are people who claim:
1. Iniesta is more than capable of playing every game as starting 11 like he used to in the past
2. Rafinha had a great season
3. Sergi Roberto had a very good season as a midfielder
4. Denis is potentially world class
5. Rakitic had a great season
6. We only need new tactics and we are good
7. gomes is highly talented and better than Ceballos
8. Denis and Rafinha are terrific dribblers

By the way [MENTION=16684]Joppe[/MENTION]
These are the "stone age" thoughts I was talking about.
I assumed you would be able to predict but it seems your psychic ability is as good as your sense of reality (not so good that is)

 

[JamDav1982]

I would disagree with that. RM midfield now is more like MSN last year. You aren't gonna get chances there with all those established midfielders.
Asensio,Kovacic,Iscoa,Kroos all are young talented player who have advantage of knowing the team and being there for some time and they are 21-27 years of age only. Kroos and Modric is a bit untouchable atm. even James might stay too.
I am not sure why a midfielder would sign for them over us.
Our midfield is more open tbh.

None of that is really relevant to my point though.

Real do have better depth in midfield but they also dont give up elements of their midfield to front three the way Barca do to MSN and particularly Messi and that is not going to change any time soon.

Real have harder midfield to get into but a midfield that likely has more freedom and responsibility going forwards and an ageing Modric.

Unless Barca are to play a more balanced game and Messi plays RW and stays there more can see why some midfielder would prefer Real.

 

[Richard.H]

I find it very hard to contribute to the discussion when there are people who claim:
1. Iniesta is more than capable of playing every game as starting 11 like he used to in the past
2. Rafinha had a great season
3. Sergi Roberto had a very good season as a midfielder
4. Denis is potentially world class
5. Rakitic had a great season
6. We only need new tactics and we are good
7. gomes is highly talented and better than Ceballos

1. ok. Iniesta is clearly past it. The club was expecting him to be like Xavi in terms of longetivity but seems like that won't be possible unfortunately.
2. Who the hell says that in this forum?? he was out for like 30-40 % of the season.
3. Roberto had a good season. Maybe not "very good" but it was good. If I could rate it out of 10, it would probably be 7.5-8.
4. Not World class but he could be an excellent backup winger or AM. He isn't a CM.
5. Who the hell says that in this forum?? Raki only turned up against RM it seems.
6. That's only to be decided by next season. Valverde is a great coach but if the squad won't listen to him, then next season may be a disaster.
7. Who the hell says that in this forum?? Gomes has been absolute shit for both Barca and Portugal.

 

[gasgas]

None of that is really relevant to my point though.

Real do have better depth in midfield but they also dont give up elements of their midfield to front three the way Barca do to MSN and particularly Messi and that is not going to change any time soon.

Real have harder midfield to get into but a midfield that likely has more freedom and responsibility going forwards and an ageing Modric.

Unless Barca are to play a more balanced game and Messi plays RW and stays there more can see why some midfielder would prefer Real.

Real Madrid Midfielders get plenty of time to play in forward positions

James, isco, asensio have all played in the front three.

They are versatile.

Try that at Barca

 

[gasgas]

1. ok. Iniesta is clearly past it. The club was expecting him to be like Xavi in terms of longetivity but seems like that won't be possible unfortunately.
2. Who the hell says that in this forum?? he was out for like 30-40 % of the season.
3. Roberto had a good season. Maybe not "very good" but it was good. If I could rate it out of 10, it would probably be 7.5-8.
4. Not World class but he could be an excellent backup winger or AM. He isn't a CM.
5. Who the hell says that in this forum?? Raki only turned up against RM it seems.
6. That's only to be decided by next season. Valverde is a great coach but if the squad won't listen to him, then next season may be a disaster.
7. Who the hell says that in this forum?? Gomes has been absolute shit for both Barca and Portugal.

Read my edited post, it has some of your answers

 

[khaled_a_d]

None of that is really relevant to my point though.

Real do have better depth in midfield but they also dont give up elements of their midfield to front three the way Barca do to MSN and particularly Messi and that is not going to change any time soon.

Real have harder midfield to get into but a midfield that likely has more freedom and responsibility going forwards and an ageing Modric.

Unless Barca are to play a more balanced game and Messi plays RW and stays there more can see why some midfielder would prefer Real.

Barca used attacking more,yet no one wanted to come to face the wall of MSN
Tell me again why would someone want to face an even bigger wall in RM midfield? With even younger player who is at his same age category?
Does it really matter they are operating more with midfield when you aren't even going to get minutes? I mean what logic is that?
Specially when you consider Barca has been historically midfield dominant and is having a new coach.
If Ceballos is choosing RM it will be probably because of his personal preference or better financial offer. I don't really see them as a better alternative for someone like him in any way.

 

[hulinat]

[MENTION=20484]gasgas[/MENTION] Took you 24 hours to figure it out and got it all wrong LOL. Are you just deliberately taking things out of context or are you dyslexic by any chance?

The player himself said he will decide in few weeks after his vacation so thanks for your wishful post but he didn't decide chit yet.

digging your optimism lol. keep on believing.

 

[JamDav1982]

Barca used attacking more,yet no one wanted to come to face the wall of MSN
Tell me again why would someone want to face an even bigger wall in RM midfield? With even younger player who is at his same age category?
Does it really matter they are operating more with midfield when you aren't even going to get minutes? I mean what logic is that?
Specially when you consider Barca has been historically midfield dominant and is having a new coach.
If Ceballos is choosing RM it will be probably because of his personal preference or better financial offer. I don't really see them as a better alternative for someone like him in any way.

Again not relevant to the point I was making and have said why even with more depth can see why some may prefer going there.

Can agree to disagree on it. No point repeating same thing over and over.

 

[gasgas]

Barca used attacking more,yet no one wanted to come to face the wall of MSN
Tell me again why would someone want to face an even bigger wall in RM midfield? With even younger player who is at his same age category?
Does it really matter they are operating more with midfield when you aren't even going to get minutes? I mean what logic is that?
Specially when you consider Barca has been historically midfield dominant and is having a new coach.
If Ceballos is choosing RM it will be probably because of his personal preference or better financial offer. I don't really see them as a better alternative for someone like him in any way.

Real Madrid are very versatile.
They can play with 5 midfielders plus Rinaldo and still function the same

I have seen them play
............ ..Casemiro.....
......Kroos..................Modric
James........CR7......Asensio/Isco

But the problem with us, the front three is fixed, Busquet's role is fixed,
The rest fight for the remaining two spots

 

[serghei]

I find it very hard to contribute to the discussion when there are people who claim:
1. Iniesta is more than capable of playing every game as starting 11 like he used to in the past
2. Rafinha had a great season
3. Sergi Roberto had a very good season as a midfielder
4. Denis is potentially world class
5. Rakitic had a great season
6. We only need new tactics and we are good
7. gomes is highly talented and better than Ceballos
8. Denis and Rafinha are terrific dribblers

By the way [MENTION=16684]Joppe[/MENTION]
These are the "stone age" thoughts I was talking about.
I assumed you would be able to predict but it seems your psychic ability is as good as your sense of reality (not so good that is)

Dude, you're so extreme. Bad tactics and low motivation were the no1 reason for our failures last season. Everyone should understand that when you beat Madrid and Atletico away, by scoring 5 goals on Calderon and Bernabeu, our lack of quality is blown way out of proportion.

Can the squad be improved? Yes, sure. Is the squad excellent? Yes, it is. It is arguably the 2nd best squad in the world after Madrid's. Is our team great? Yes, it is. Again, any team who has the power to score 6 against a team like PSG, or beat the most powerful teams in their league consistently (we were first by far last year in La Liga concerning points won against the first half of the table) that is beyond any doubt. The key is showing that every week, and even more when it counts - meaning in the big CL nights. The will and the motivation to show up with your best form and your hardest desire to win at the right time, and in the games that you know they can define a season, this is the biggest thing that we lacked last season.

All it takes on this forum is a bad season and almost everyone goes Armageddon mode.

The quality of this team, even as it is now, is enough to take us to another treble, if the most important things happen, which are: a) motivated and hungry players, b) good and ambitious tactics, c) hard working players. I've seen us play against Madrid, and what I saw was two teams which are about the same level. You're going to see the same similarity in level in the Supercup as well. I highly doubt that Madrid will smash us, as some of the dudes here seem to think.

We did not work very hard last season, we were not as motivated as some of the teams we played against, we had bad ideas coming from the bench, both regarding tactics, and regarding match-management, and player-management. These are the main reasons for why we failed. Not the lack of a top class RB, not the lack of a new Xavi or whatever. The glaring weaknesses in the team's structure and in the management, made our players the worst version of themselves (even MSN fell short when things got tougher).

Now everybody talks about names, but the real issue last season was the lack of vision coming from the bench and the lack of will from the squad to keep playing at the highest level every week. These two things made us lose 3-0 to a team with an inferior squad, but extremely well prepared, and highly motivated, like Juventus. These things made us lose 4-0 to a not so great team like PSG.

Motivation, hard work, competent ideas from the manager. These are the key ingredients to succeeed. Not who has the most world class players, when many teams have them anyway. Just compare the version of Madrid with Benitez, with the version under Zidane. And you'll maybe understand that there is way more to a team than the sum of its players.

 

[Zincubus]

I find it very hard to contribute to the discussion when there are people who claim:
1. Iniesta is more than capable of playing every game as starting 11 like he used to in the past
2. Rafinha had a great season
3. Sergi Roberto had a very good season as a midfielder
4. Denis is potentially world class
5. Rakitic had a great season
6. We only need new tactics and we are good
7. gomes is highly talented and better than Ceballos
8. Denis and Rafinha are terrific dribblers

By the way [MENTION=16684]Joppe[/MENTION]
These are the "stone age" thoughts I was talking about.
I assumed you would be able to predict but it seems your psychic ability is as good as your sense of reality (not so good that is)

I actually agree with every point apart from the Gomes one , I reckon he will be brilliant this coming season plus he's nothing like the other guy you mentioned so you can't really compare them like for like .

 

[gasgas]

Dude, you're so extreme. Bad tactics and low motivation were the no1 reason for our failures last season. Everyone should understand that when you beat Madrid and Atletico away, by scoring 5 goals on Calderon and Bernabeu, our lack of quality is blown way out of proportion.

Can the squad be improved? Yes, sure. Is the squad excellent? Yes, it is. It is arguably the 2nd best squad in the world after Madrid's. Is our team great? Yes, it is. Again, any team who has the power to score 6 against a team like PSG, or beat the most powerful teams in their league consistently (we were first by far last year in La Liga concerning points won against the first half of the table) that is beyond any doubt. The key is showing that every week, and even more when it counts - meaning in the big CL nights. The will and the motivation to show up with your best form and your hardest desire to win at the right time, and in the games that you know they can define a season, this is the biggest thing that we lacked last season.

All it takes on this forum is a bad season and almost everyone goes Armageddon mode.

The quality of this team, even as it is now, is enough to take us to another treble, if the most important things happen, which are: a) motivated and hungry players, b) good and ambitious tactics, c) hard working players. I've seen us play against Madrid, and what I saw was two teams which are about the same level. You're going to see the same similarity in level in the Supercup as well. I highly doubt that Madrid will smash us, as some of the dudes here seem to think.

We did not work very hard last season, we were not as motivated as some of the teams we played against, we had bad ideas coming from the bench, both regarding tactics, and regarding match-management, and player-management. These are the main reasons for why we failed. Not the lack of a top class RB, not the lack of a new Xavi or whatever. The glaring weaknesses in the team's structure and in the management, made our players the worst version of themselves (even MSN fell short when things got tougher).

Now everybody talks about names, but the real issue last season was the lack of vision coming from the bench and the lack of will from the squad to keep playing at the highest level every week. These two things made us lose 3-0 to a team with an inferior squad, but extremely well prepared, and highly motivated, like Juventus. These things made us lose 4-0 to a not so great team like PSG.

Motivation, hard work, competent ideas from the manager. These are the key ingredients to succeeed. Not who has the most world class players, when many teams have them anyway. Just compare the version of Madrid with Benitez, with the version under Zidane. And you'll maybe understand that there is way more to a team than the sum of its players.

There's a difference between bad tactics being "THE ONLY" and them being "THE MAIN". I have a problem with those who say it was only bad tactics, our squad is worldclass
, perfect.
Ofcourse you can have big wins even when you don't have sufficient quality when your team is highly motivated for such games. But if you have the quality in the squad, you are able to continue such performances.
Tata's team for example, beat Real Madrid 2-1 at Camp Nou and 4-3 at Santiago Bernabeu, but we all know that the quality was not much , but the motivation was high.
The quality of the team is not measurde by 4 matches, it is measured over the course of the season. Motivation has to be supported with quality and tactics. You need to have all three

 

[denn]

So, Rakitic - Busi - Roberto is good enough for competing for treble. Everyone who thinks that is cluelles. Iniesta can be great at times, but the club can't rely on that.
Rakitic and Roberto are good players, but that's all. Look at Madrid. Modric, Kroos, Casemiro, Isco, Llorente, Kovacic. FFS, if they sign Ceballos too we are fucked. You know why? Because we don't have any young players who has that potential.

The only reason why we were just 3 points behind Real Madrid is Messi. Without him, Barca would finish 4th last season or even worst. Yes, there was no system, Valverde would get it better hope so. But, would Rakitic get better with years to come? No!

Busi is world class, Iniesta at times is world class. That's it. Rakitic, Roberto, Denis, Gomes, Rafinha, Arda are good or average players.

The board need to start thinking what the squad would like without Messi in GOAT mode in few years.