Ernesto Valverde - V1

[LeeRomeno]

Vast majority of fans value La Liga and Copa above Champions League.
To win La Liga you have to ve consistent and deliver throughout a season. And we did more even by beating Madrid in h2hs.

Recent Madrid success in CL skewed that perception as it's hard to stand them watch lift that trophy.

Totally agreed, think too many fans nowadays measure success not based on our, but RMs success. So if some other teams would have won CLs in recent years, we would be much happier. Defining yourself through your enemies is never a good idea. Much comes down to fact that so many people have become Barca fans because of being Messi fans and here you have this bloody annoying rivalry with Cr7.

 

[pepi]

Totally agreed, think too many fans nowadays measure success not based on our, but RMs success. So if some other teams would have won CLs in recent years, we would be much happier. Defining yourself through your enemies is never a good idea. Much comes down to fact that so many people have become Barca fans because of being Messi fans and here you have this bloody annoying rivalry with Cr7.

CL is the strongest competition in football, teams are playing much stronger teams than in their leagues, thus its very prestigious trophy. Its normal for people to measure success with Madrid winning it and we failing. And its not that hard to be consistent if more than half of the teams you are playing are weak(La Liga). If your enemies are strong its bad for you. You can do 2 things about it- weaken them or get stronger yourself. So... you people can feel happy with La Liga (not even mentioning Copa) but if you think its harder and more prestigious than CL you are lying to yourself. If your goal is to win Champions League and you work towards that goal, you will have a team that can win the domestic league too.

 

[Alik]

CL is the strongest competition in football, teams are playing much stronger teams than in their leagues, thus its very prestigious trophy. Its normal for people to measure success with Madrid winning it and we failing. And its not that hard to be consistent if more than half of the teams you are playing are weak(La Liga). If your enemies are strong its bad for you. You can do 2 things about it- weaken them or get stronger yourself. So... you people can feel happy with La Liga (not even mentioning Copa) but if you think its harder and more prestigious than CL you are lying to yourself. If your goal is to win Champions League and you work towards that goal, you will have a team that can win the domestic league too.

You completely missed his point.

 

[ebc_99]

The league is better measure of a team, it is 38 games against every club home and away. It is not easy to win and Barca deserve huge credit for winning it again, especially as La Liga is the toughest league in Europe.

Having said that I would rather win the Champions League, it is the most prestigious competition. I do not think it is harder to win it just makes you European champions. I still think the league is a better measure of a team. Look at the semi-finalists this year, only Bayern can claim to be the best team in their own country.

 

[Neymessi]

Vast majority of fans value La Liga and Copa above Champions League.
To win La Liga you have to ve consistent and deliver throughout a season. And we did more even by beating Madrid in h2hs.

Recent Madrid success in CL skewed that perception as it's hard to stand them watch lift that trophy.

Or maybe you just find it tough to digest that RM are winning the CL so much? No way would anyone prefer domestic double over CL. We have 2 good teams apart from us in the league whereas winning CL is much tougher and also much more sought after.

4 cl in last 5 years is an achievement of the century to say the least even if it is any other team winning it and sorry having some la ligas during that period is just a shadow of that achievement. We haven't been consistent all season for half a decade now so don't try to potray it as if we have been very consistent lately. RM knew how to rotate, conserve their energy and hit at the right team whereas our coach is too spineless to risk an already won league.

The fact that we have played so okayish in the league and still unbeaten just goes to show its not really like you have to extremely consistent and amazing to win la liga.

Let's not become the case of sour grapes just because RM has done this. Rm has beeen a bit lucky too but we have ourselves to blame only for our horseshit CL form and not delivering there.

 

[George_Costanza]

Totally agreed, think too many fans nowadays measure success not based on our, but RMs success. So if some other teams would have won CLs in recent years, we would be much happier. Defining yourself through your enemies is never a good idea. Much comes down to fact that so many people have become Barca fans because of being Messi fans and here you have this bloody annoying rivalry with Cr7.

Everything is relative, and we all benchmark all the time. This is a normal human behavior. It will make more sense once you understand relativity. We cannot measure the value of something on their own. That's why we tend to compare it with a peer, colleague or a direct rival.

 

[BarçaBarça]

Or maybe you just find it tough to digest that RM are winning the CL so much? No way would anyone prefer domestic double over CL. We have 2 good teams apart from us in the league whereas winning CL is much tougher and also much more sought after.

4 cl in last 5 years is an achievement of the century to say the least even if it is any other team winning it and sorry having some la ligas during that period is just a shadow of that achievement. We haven't been consistent all season for half a decade now so don't try to potray it as if we have been very consistent lately. RM knew how to rotate, conserve their energy and hit at the right team whereas our coach is too spineless to risk an already won league.

The fact that we have played so okayish in the league and still unbeaten just goes to show its not really like you have to extremely consistent and amazing to win la liga.

Let's not become the case of sour grapes just because RM has done this. Rm has beeen a bit lucky too but we have ourselves to blame only for our horseshit CL form and not delivering there.

Please tell me how Real won their last CLs in any other way than this??

And again: Fans help shape this perception: We don't even value the league anymore, talk about it like it is Bundesliga or Ligue 1. Meanwhile Real tears up CL together with Atletico, while subtop-teams knock PL-teams out consistently.

But all in all I get why everyone is obsessed by Real and what they win/don't win. It is if the CL is favoured over several leagues even though Real doesn't win, that I'm starting to get really annoyed.

Lets see - if Bayern/Liverpool win this year most will return to a more fair conception of Valverdes achievements.

 

[Neymessi]

Please tell me how Real won their last CLs in any other way than this??

And again: Fans help shape this perception: We don't even value the league anymore, talk about it like it is Bundesliga or Ligue 1. Meanwhile Real tears up CL together with Atletico, while subtop-teams knock PL-teams out consistently.

But all in all I get why everyone is obsessed by Real and what they win/don't win. It is if the CL is favoured over several leagues even though Real doesn't win, that I'm starting to get really annoyed.

Lets see - if Bayern/Liverpool win this year most will return to a more fair conception of Valverdes achievements.

Rm won only one cl by being lucky and if you read my last line again you will see me acknowledging real being lucky sometimes.

It could have been bayern doing the same thing as RM in cl and the achievement would still be legendry. Seriously what is wrong with you guys? 4 cl in 5 years, repeat this in your head until you truly understand what a massive achievement this is. La liga matters to us but we can't really be that happy with RM winning CL THAT often while we not making past quarters. Its pretty normal.

"Valverde's achievements", what achievements exactly? Let me guess you are one of those guys who think the roma match was an abberration. We have been playing shit for a very long time just luckily winning. And winning this la liga wasn't that hard as previous years considering RM shit the bed very early this season and consistently kept dropping points and atletico is bad enough to play europa.

The unbeaten streak is more misleading than portugal winning the euros or RM winning CL in 16.

 

[Neymessi]

Winning a double after many "fans" dismissed Barca entirely

Oh god Ev apologists still come up with these shitty arguements. So I guess you can't criticize your team at all. Barca can play horseshit and even risk getting relegated some day but if you think something is wrong with barca, you aren't a fan. To be a fan you should keep saying that everything is going perfect and that we will win treble every season.

These 'fans' were right all along dude. You Ev apologists kept running the narrative about how amazing we are playing and how EV knows what we are doing and how we EV crticicizers are just spoilt because we don't play as well as pep's barca blah blah even after how crap we played against chelsea, sevilla etc but were just lucky enough to not lose. We 'fans' saw the roma thing coming from a mile away because we knew something is wrong with us and needs fixing. And guess what, if we play like this next season in la liga and RM decides to not shit the bed there, we will lose la liga too.

Make no mistake I am happy with the double even though RM is going to win CL but I am not going to think we are fine as a team BECAUSE we won the double. The double was misleading as fuck.

Don't mind me I am just a 'fan' here who is criticising the fact that we have so many problems and not claiming we are perfect because I love barca.

 

[Joan]

Can't we just enjoy the double? We have won only 8 so far, if I'm not mistaken.

Of course Roma game is a shame,we have problems etc., but - you never know what the future holds, today we are top of the league, tomorrow we might be midtable... enjoy the moment.

 

[jamrock]

The league Vs CL is a interesting debate both have there merits, but we have won so many league titles while being average as eventon in the CL that I would sacrifice a league for a cl now, the cup means absolutely nothing unless it's apart of a triple, not even with the domestic double does it really mean much to me, especially given the fact that we have been putting waaaaaaay too much effort in it over these past few years.

It's really time for us to stop,play the kids & the bench players and have them go as far as possible then that's it, we are barca not freaking bilboa.

We need a deep run in the CL to bring our swagger back

 

[henias]

You forgot "fraud". Also, tell us more from your crystal ball since you know he will never change.

God help us indeed. Winning a double after many "fans" dismissed Barca entirely (and some even wished Messi to move to Shity) is sooo awful.

You have got to be kidding me. It was never about the trophies, and never have been.

Let's see how Valverde crumble under pressure next season amd see if he can win a double again.

The sad thing is EV apologists have been coming up with everything they can to back him up. Had we scraped past Roma, EV fans will be ready to say we are indefeated in all competitions.

And if we get beaten by Liverpool, EV fans will say our squad isnt good enough.

But no, we got knocked out by one of the weakest CL opponents.

Or the excuse that Andre Gomes offers more than some of his more talented compatriots.

Just pure bullshitting throughout the whole season that will get exposed bit by bit as time will tell.

 

[George_Costanza]

"Valverde's achievements"?

There are two types of people, those who do the work "Messi", and those who those who take the credit "Valverde".

Anyone surprised when Messi couldn't perform in UCL QF that we lost and got KOed? Of course, if Messi performed and won us the match, some here will say EV is a genius, but since we lost, EV apologists are mainly blaming Messi.

 

[BarçaBarça]

Rm won only one cl by being lucky and if you read my last line again you will see me acknowledging real being lucky sometimes.

It could have been bayern doing the same thing as RM in cl and the achievement would still be legendry. Seriously what is wrong with you guys? 4 cl in 5 years, repeat this in your head until you truly understand what a massive achievement this is. La liga matters to us but we can't really be that happy with RM winning CL THAT often while we not making past quarters. Its pretty normal.

"Valverde's achievements", what achievements exactly? Let me guess you are one of those guys who think the roma match was an abberration. We have been playing shit for a very long time just luckily winning. And winning this la liga wasn't that hard as previous years considering RM shit the bed very early this season and consistently kept dropping points and atletico is bad enough to play europa.

The unbeaten streak is more misleading than portugal winning the euros or RM winning CL in 16.

I also hope for the love of God that Real lose to either Bayern or Liverpool in the end!

It is just absurd that the vendetta is targetted at Valverde who should win manager of the year this season!
Roma was his fault - he made changes way too late - give him stick for that - that is totally fair. But it seems like many "waited for him to fail" and now feel he is exposed..
It is an unforgivable mistake - mistake of the season - and really bad coaching. Although we also beat Chelsea and Juve convincingly before that, so Valverde against top Europe-sides isn't totally hopeless after all.

Some of it is just not logical: It is easy to win the league because Real lose against La Liga teams (who then outperform Real), but we should bother much outperforming those exact same teams who can give it a go against Real?

The unbeaten streak being misleading? That is very arrogant tbh. It means that you can only win "the right way" if you play like Pep, where we deserved to win every single match we won. That will never be replicated, imo.

I think it is very fair to say that Barca should play more fluid total-football. I hope we will do that in the future as well. Expecting that we could do it with this squad in this season is being naive, imo, and therefore Valverde should be praised massively. And if you would trade a league title for a side who played more total-football and Atletico winning the league, then I really don't understand your reasoning..

 

[TitoTata]

Valverde is on borrowed time I feel .
Our squad is pitifully weak compared to just about every other top rated team yet even though our actually first eleven is good he's actually been too nervous to ever play them all at once