khaled_a_d
Senior Member
I talked about Wenger btw, not EV. Only thing I said about EV is that Barca fans would hate him just like EV. Not sure that is considered defending, I know we aren't gonna reach an agreement about him anyway.
But Wenger
I talked about Wenger btw, not EV. Only thing I said about EV is that Barca fans would hate him just like EV. Not sure that is considered defending, I know we aren't gonna reach an agreement about him anyway.
But Wenger
serghei
Senior Member
I talked about Wenger btw, not EV. Only thing I said about EV is that Barca fans would hate him just like EV. Not sure that is considered defending, I know we aren't gonna reach an agreement about him anyway.
But Wenger
You said he'll do an Emery. And I told you he's done a lot worse than Emery who at least lost to better sides and has much better European record than Ernie.
And yea, Wenger would totally be better than Valverde. No doubt. Although there are better options than him for sure.
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jamrock
Senior Member
Not saying Wenger would be perfect, but he would be a much better choice than what we have now & I think a much better one than anything our board with there total lack of vision would come up with as well, I'm almost certain.
The club is at a stage now where our best players are all 30+ they have 2-3 good years left in them depending on who we are talking about. We need a manager that understands this & builds to the future while also remaining competitive now, I'm pretty sure Wenger could walk this team to a la liga tittle & the CL the players winning mentality could push us further than he did arsenal.
Again he isn't perfect but for where we are now he would be a good bet, bayern should look at him as well for the same reason.
The club is at a stage now where our best players are all 30+ they have 2-3 good years left in them depending on who we are talking about. We need a manager that understands this & builds to the future while also remaining competitive now, I'm pretty sure Wenger could walk this team to a la liga tittle & the CL the players winning mentality could push us further than he did arsenal.
Again he isn't perfect but for where we are now he would be a good bet, bayern should look at him as well for the same reason.
soul24rage
Senior Member
Although I want Setien to be the next coach, I wouldn't mind having Wenger as a coach. It's not like we're doing any better with EV with Messi in both seasons, Dembele this season and MATS from last season have been saving his ass multiple times. Since Wenger hasn't won the CL, he might be more motivated to win that elusive trophy.
khaled_a_d
Senior Member
Ok, you want to have this discussion
No, Unai has done worse than Ev with PSG, he blowed a great lead twice and one in last 5 minutes, he had way better team next year and got beaten twice, he failed to qualify to QF and failed to get out of group stage in Cl with Seville with a very good team. A CL that he should have qualified to from league but failed to do so with very strong Seville team.
And no, Wenger would be even worse than EV, Wenger knows how to fail in both CL and League ina big way, he will play more eschetic football (though that wasn't the case lately) and he is totally comfortable to stay as long as you let him.
Wenger won't coach us this season, if we allow EV to stay 3rd year (something I said I don't want to happen) then you at least you know it is last year. with Wenger you are starting with an awful coach for another couple of years at least, and if he -by some miracle- managed to win a league title don't be surprised if he stays here even 3 or 4 year. I would take a one year of bad coaching over 3 or 4 with bad coaching, sorry but I won't enjoy the senility of Wenger for 3 years.
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serghei
Senior Member
Unai has had European success with Sevilla. He has done at PSG about as well as Valverde has done at Barcelona, except he at least went out from CL against Barcelona and Madrid, two better teams than PSG, and was not embarassed by a much weaker side. It's much more forgiving to go out vs Barcelona at Camp Nou than to Roma ffs. It's common logic.
I find it downright hilarious that you criticize Emery for not doing more than he did, but give a free pass to Valverde for doing way less. Emery won 3 back to back European titles with Sevilla. This is a feat that Valverde never even got close of.
Wenger is a better manager than Valverde and this shouldn't even be debated. Only thing Valverde has in his favour when compared to Wenger is age and language.
3 years, 1 year, what are you talking about. I only said Wenger is a better manager and would be better for us than Valverde. I didn't say I'd want him at Barcelona. But if Wenger is an awful coach, lol, that makes Valverde what? Highschool level manager?
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vlad
New member
After valverde, its finally time for world class proven coach who can manage big stars in the team, i dont know who exactly, but if club can throw 150m for a talent, they surely can pull something when it comes to coach, and "barca dna" factor has to stop. Or they can continue like this and play hit&miss until they find another pep while messi is getting older in older
Edit: but i know that is not gonna happen, maybe barca will be experimenting with xavi or something like that
Edit: but i know that is not gonna happen, maybe barca will be experimenting with xavi or something like that
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bismp
Well-known member
The thing is that there aren't many World-class managers available around.Actually,Rijkaard,Pep,Tito,Tata,Lucho and Valverde were all fairly inexperienced when they were hired.
Right now the only managers i could call world-class are:
Pep(he won't return)
Klopp(he hasn't won CL or PL,but nobody doubts his charisma and passion.He won't leave Liverpool right now though)
Heynckes(he is too old,he won't come)
Conte(too defensive for Barca)
Zidane(we've all doubted the man,but he has won 3 CLs in arow,so i deem him WC until proven otherwise.But he is a Madridista,so that's a no from me.)
and maybe Allegri?(dunno i don't like him a lot,but many people here kinda praise him)
Then,there are quite a few promising coaches around,but it is a big gamble whether they'll avoid crumbling under pressure.
Actually both Lucho and Valverde were deemed by the majority of the fanbase as really promising coaches that will bring the beautiful football back at the Camp Nou when they were hired.Lucho kinda succeeded,but Valverde is a big disappointment so far.I think that these guys honestly try their best,but it must be extremely difficult to manage a club of Barca's magnitude,compete for the treble every year,produce eye-pleasing football and develop the youth all in the same time.
Pep is by far the most charismatic of them all and a true visionary,but let's not forget that he had prime Messi,Xavi,Iniesta,Pique,Alves,Puyol etc in his team.
I think the real problem with our club lies within the fact that the core players are old,uninterested and untouchable(by the coach and the media).Pique,Busquets,Suarez,even Rakitic or Alba.Sure Valverde fucked up big time against Roma last season,but the players themselves share a big part of the blame by getting humiliated year in-year out in the CL.I hate to say it,but even Messi just quits too easily these days,both with Barca and the Argentina NT.
Sure,Valverde is pretty mediocre for Barca standards.But only replacing him with a truly elite coach that can motivate the old dogs would solve anything right now.
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FC B
Senior Member
Undoubtedly. Ofc there are many other better choices but we can't count on this shit board to make them so I just stated that even Wenger would be an improvement over this fraud of a mangager the we currently have.
George_Costanza
Active member
As I said, he was once great but not anymore, he will be 70 next year and has been years since he has done anything meaningful with Arsenal.
He overstayed for sure, but he didn't evolve either as a coach.
He also spent a lot in recent years IIRC, but never managed to make Arsenal a truly competitive team in past decade, never managed to keep his stars in the team either. Owners aren't the only one to blame here, a lot had to do with his philosophy and trials, once talked about how he doesn't believe in signing old player who are 26 or 27
And he had an absolute freedom in his signings, and he made some really bad signings (Mustafi for example was never fit for that team) and he won't get that freedom here -which might be good thing- but would he accept that?
I mean Rijkaard has transformed us into European big club and half of this forum -including you- think he was bad coach.
This is a guy who thought not reaching CL wan't bad thing b/c now fans can appreciate the times they used to reach CL
He should retire or coach a NT, he has already tarnished his legacy enough and don't need to be another LVG
Wenger only got absolute freedom to sign big names in the last few years of his tenor. It was Stan Kroenke who said the club should be self-financed and that was difficult because of new stadium financing. From selling star players, reducing wages to issuing bonds to finance the Emirates stadium and still not finished paying the club debts. So it wasn't entirely on Wenger, rather he followed the direction of the owner/board.
Also, it wasn't Rijkaard who transformed Barca into big European club, it was Johan Cruyff a decade before (1988-1996). Wenger has been an influential figure for Arsenal and EPL, he is to Arsenal what Cruyff is to Barcelona. Rijkaard was merely a lieutenant in Cruyff-Laporta's great leadership and vision. And I never said Rijkaard was bad, I actually said he was good but not a world class manager.
khaled_a_d
Senior Member
Look, there is no doubt in my mind that Wenger was once one of the top coaches in the world, but ship has sailed long time ago. I don't see him succeeding in another club at all, he has built ton of bad habits as a coach through the years and never been able to update himself as a coach, unlike SAF for example whom many thought was done around 2005 but was able to adjust.
Fair enough
He's getting a lot of stick for playing Kante out of the position on the right ..
clemente
New member
Kante on the right makes sense to me, and thats how they scored the first goal
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