Ernesto Valverde
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Marshall D Teach
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This guy got schooled by a guy who lost 4-0 to Man Utd 
EdmondDantes
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This is probably the first time I can assertively say I have zero joy in watching football this season with this shyster here.
New season, but what is even the point...
New season, but what is even the point...
mobster_1930
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I'm not born in Barcelona, not even in Spain, so I guess I can't call myself a true fan, more like international Barca fan. However, I've started to follow and like Barca during Rivaldo's time and I've never looked back at another team since - from LVG back to back titles, Gaspart dark days, Laporta's early days of revival followed by Ronnies showtime, then that fucking Tamudo's equlizer, Pep's glory days etc ... For the first time in more than 20 years I didn't know Barca was playing last night and honestly I didn't care that much. In order for any club to gain international fans (like me) you need to play nice and joyful football. That's how you cement your global image. Global image of Barca right now is utter, back to back humiliation in CL and playing such a boring game- passing just for sake of a passing. The only thing that still keeps us among so called elite is Messi and that's it. I think I lost almost all interest in this club thanks to this idiotic board who put this idiotic , play-safe-don't-take-any-risks-pass-to-Messi-and-hope-for-something coach. I'm 30 years old and I have don't time to waste my nerves and energy on this shit.
serghei
Senior Member
Thankfully I haven't watched the game but I hope some of you finally realized that selection of midfielders is not our main problem. After the loss today I can't wait to read all the stupidity in this forum. Some members will now again claim how Demeble is the biggest flop or how horrible fit Geiezmann is and this is irritating as fuck.
During the last 3 transfer windows we bought:
Demebele - one of the biggest talents in the world of football and we managed not to improve him at all during his time here. He is even worse than he was in Dortmund.
Coutinho - one of top 3 PL players, a guy who is for sure a good fit for Barca but after Valverde destroyed him we LOANED him to Bayern so Rafinha can be our winger today
Semedo - a fullback who was wanted by 90% of members here but now people claim he is worse than Roberto
Griezmann - a fantastic player, ballon d'Or candidate who was together with Messi and Ronaldo best La Liga player in the last 3-4 seasons.
FDJ - biggest midfielder talent in the world, a guy who was a dream signing of every club in the world
Arthur - Brazil NT player who is for sure one of the most talented midfielders out there
Firpo - according to reports best young LB in Spain
Lenglet - a signing who turned out do be a decent replacement for Umtiti
Todibo - a young CB that was wanted by many top teams.
Apart from that we have:
Messi - GOAT
Suarez - people can claim whatever thay want but he would still be a big asset to any team
Alba - one of the best LB's in the world
Mats - among top 3 goalkeepers in the world
Umtiti - probably one of the best CB's out there when healthy (if he can stay fit or not is yet to be seen)
Pique, Raki, Busi - people can claim they are done but all 3 of them would still be in the starting line up of majority top clubs in Europe.
Roberto - he is not a WC player but he is still a decent team player who can help a team when utilized properly, same goes for Vidal.
Alena - he was a big talent but he hasn't improved a bit under Valverde and Puig will probably have the same destiny.
So to sum this up. All of you who clam that we have a shit team, all of you who blame young players for not improving for 2 years or people who think that Coutinho or Griezmann are shit signings should go and watch some other sport because you don't know shit about football. Under ANY capable manager all of those players would excel and youngsters would develop for sure but under this idiot no one can. It's not players fault we have no system and no tactics.
It's clear Barca has TWO big problems and none of those two are players. Problem number ONE is club president who doesn't understand a shit about football and problem number TWO is our manager who is on the level of Bilbao or Olympiacos and not Barca. A manager who hasn't improved a single player during his two years here! So we can go and buy Neymar and nothing will change. BBZ and others can also write gazillion of pages about some players being bellow required level but thats far from the truth. Others can claim Rakitic is our biggest problem while not recognizing that's a total bullshit. IN THE END NOTHING WILL CHANGE THE FACT THAT OUR PROBLEM CONSIST OF VALVERDE AND BARTOMEU AND NO ONE ELSE.
While Valverde will probably be gone after this season we are stuck with Bartomeu at least for two more years so I doubt anything will change for better during this time but I for sure won't be the one who will blame players for this shitshow that was brought to us by our bellowed B-V duo.
Great rant man.
Raketa10
Senior Member
To be fair this Barcelona team reminds me a lot of Croatian NT under that idiot Cacic. He tactical knowledge was on the level of amateur football coach and he had zero charisma. Our players were lost, they didn't even run and their self confidence was nowhere to be found. In this Barca team every player get his weaknesses exposed and his strengths become lost in either wrong formation or wrong position on the field. Look what happened when Dalic took control and Dalic is not even a world class coach. Congrats to Barca by giving the most expensive team in history of football to the Spanish version of Ante Cacic!
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BBZ8800
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In the last two years, people used to say: it is EV. Not Dembele.
In the end, Dembele is so dumb and flawed that nothing can help him.
Semedo can't do anything in attack.
Roberto was always meh as a CM except a few rare games with random solo runs.
Not related to EV, do you guys realize that we are shit for the last 4 years in a row?
Lucho: from January 2016
Lucho: 2016/17
EV: 2017/18
EV: 2018/19
Or, even worse:
Tata: 2013/14
Lucho: good in 2015
Bad from 2016-2019.
Basically, we were a total shit in 5 of the last 6 years.
Lucho managed to wake up a team for one year and then we died again.
Yes, EV is bad.
But imo, whoever will come, our team will have Dembele's faith=a coach is bad but a player is irrepareably dumb and flawed.
Look at our team without Barca's glasses:
Alba=dumb, almost finished, not motivated anymore
Semedo=horrible in attack
Roberto=midfielder playing as a RB
Busi=finished
Raki=not Barca's DNA and finished
Arthur=can't defend, can't attack
Roberto=a horrible CM
Rafinha=not our level
Vidal=not the best fit
Alena=very hot and cold. Reminds on Dembele sometimes in sense of being hot and cold.
Suarez=can't make a pass
Dembele=no comment needed
Our team looks good only on paper.
We have Messi, Frenkie, Pique, Mats, Lenglet from playable players.
Maybe Griezz if he will click.
Other players either don't know how to make a forward pass (Arthur, Semedo) or are extremely horrible in passing (Suarez, Dembele, Alena) or are finished (Raki, Busi, Suarez, Alba) or are squad level on all positions (Roberto, Alena, Rafinha) or are crazy insane transfers even though players are bad fits (Griezz, Dembele, Cou).
You can remove EV, Dembele will still be dumb.
Imo, you can remove Tata, Lucho, EV, Semedo will still suck, Suarez won't be able to pass, Raki and Busi are finished etc.
We had 10 years of Barto, bad sporting directors, bad decisions in buying and a meh team except Messi.
Our team looks good only on paper when you see Messi, Dembe, Suarez, Griezz, Frenkie, Busi.
Frenkie, Dembele, Griezz thrive in a counterattacking style.
Busi, Messi, Arthur thrive in a style where we have 80% of slow possession.
Messi, Griezz and Dembele play on a same position.
Busi, Frenkie, Arthur play on the same position.
We don't have a CAM except Rafinha and Puig who are not good in this moment.
Out team looks as if someone was playing Football manager with cheating codes (unlimited money) and then gave the account to a 9 years old young brother who was just buying players for whom he has heard of, witout any plan, sense or logic.
In the end, Dembele is so dumb and flawed that nothing can help him.
Semedo can't do anything in attack.
Roberto was always meh as a CM except a few rare games with random solo runs.
Not related to EV, do you guys realize that we are shit for the last 4 years in a row?
Lucho: from January 2016
Lucho: 2016/17
EV: 2017/18
EV: 2018/19
Or, even worse:
Tata: 2013/14
Lucho: good in 2015
Bad from 2016-2019.
Basically, we were a total shit in 5 of the last 6 years.
Lucho managed to wake up a team for one year and then we died again.
Yes, EV is bad.
But imo, whoever will come, our team will have Dembele's faith=a coach is bad but a player is irrepareably dumb and flawed.
Look at our team without Barca's glasses:
Alba=dumb, almost finished, not motivated anymore
Semedo=horrible in attack
Roberto=midfielder playing as a RB
Busi=finished
Raki=not Barca's DNA and finished
Arthur=can't defend, can't attack
Roberto=a horrible CM
Rafinha=not our level
Vidal=not the best fit
Alena=very hot and cold. Reminds on Dembele sometimes in sense of being hot and cold.
Suarez=can't make a pass
Dembele=no comment needed
Our team looks good only on paper.
We have Messi, Frenkie, Pique, Mats, Lenglet from playable players.
Maybe Griezz if he will click.
Other players either don't know how to make a forward pass (Arthur, Semedo) or are extremely horrible in passing (Suarez, Dembele, Alena) or are finished (Raki, Busi, Suarez, Alba) or are squad level on all positions (Roberto, Alena, Rafinha) or are crazy insane transfers even though players are bad fits (Griezz, Dembele, Cou).
You can remove EV, Dembele will still be dumb.
Imo, you can remove Tata, Lucho, EV, Semedo will still suck, Suarez won't be able to pass, Raki and Busi are finished etc.
We had 10 years of Barto, bad sporting directors, bad decisions in buying and a meh team except Messi.
Our team looks good only on paper when you see Messi, Dembe, Suarez, Griezz, Frenkie, Busi.
Frenkie, Dembele, Griezz thrive in a counterattacking style.
Busi, Messi, Arthur thrive in a style where we have 80% of slow possession.
Messi, Griezz and Dembele play on a same position.
Busi, Frenkie, Arthur play on the same position.
We don't have a CAM except Rafinha and Puig who are not good in this moment.
Out team looks as if someone was playing Football manager with cheating codes (unlimited money) and then gave the account to a 9 years old young brother who was just buying players for whom he has heard of, witout any plan, sense or logic.
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Raketa10
Senior Member
Come on man! We can argue about Dembele or Semedo but stating that this is the true state of our team is just wrong on every possible level. Can't you see that we don't have a game plan at all?! I just wrote my opinion one page ago so I won't repeat myself but FFS just give this team a chance with a world class manager before you make such conclusions. Imagine Croatian NT with Cacic in the last WC. Would we play in the final? As I said Dailic is not even a WC coach he was just better than that clown Cacic. I am willing to bet this team would look amazing under world class manager but I guess we wont find that out this season. What strikes me is the fact our board is willing to spend 100000000000000 EUR for signings or get rid of 140 mil player after one bad season but we are quite OK with this horrible manager. After 2 consecutive seasons of horrible football and two horrendous defeats in the elimination stage of CL he is still here.
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Gaudi
Senior Member
Let's cut the crap, you will not find better team on the planet, yes they are not perfect, I would like more brains on that one, more speed on this one, but to play like this with team like ours is ALL ON COACH!
There is probably no other player someone can claim we would really need to improve us, it's up to coach to create tactics and gameplan for the team he has. This passing arround for years leads to nothing and it looks we all see that except the one who should.
And we'll fix that by adding another superstar?
There is probably no other player someone can claim we would really need to improve us, it's up to coach to create tactics and gameplan for the team he has. This passing arround for years leads to nothing and it looks we all see that except the one who should.
And we'll fix that by adding another superstar?
serghei
Senior Member
Lol, BBZ blaming the players as usual. These players would've won the treble last year with a competent manager. What are you talking about? Hell they almost won the treble with the Spanish Moyes in charge, but the man just had to fuck it up because it is in his nature to get scared when he's about to win something big.
The team is fucking Spanish Champions in 4 times in the last 5 years, and here we are blaming the players. The players are the reason we've been champions these many times after Pep, not being managed by a single top manager. Only an acceptable one like Lucho.
The team is fucking Spanish Champions in 4 times in the last 5 years, and here we are blaming the players. The players are the reason we've been champions these many times after Pep, not being managed by a single top manager. Only an acceptable one like Lucho.
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BBZ8800
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Croatia had 3 workhorse midfielders and at least two were fast (Modric, Brozovic).
At least 2 could have scored goals and they can make an assist (Modric, Rakitic).
Who can shoot in Arthur-Alena-Roberto midfield? Maybe Alena.
Who can be a CAM/Playmaker in Arthur-Roberto-Alena? Nobody. Alena is young and meh. Arthur's forward game is on Dembele's IQ level. Roberto is just running around without any real purpose.
In attack, Croatia had 2 normal wingers.
Perisic as a LW. We have Griezmann. Griezmann is a better player but Perisic is a classical, fast (and strong) winger who can dribble, shoot and assist. Griezz is some silent playmaker who plays as a CAM-SS-false 9 from LW position.
Croatia in attack had 190+ cm tall Mandzukic. Wherever Croatia didn't know what to do: they just hoofed the ball forward to Mandzukic, he will control the ball and pass it to 2 true fast wingers, while Modric and Raki will run towards the box and lurk around the box in attempt to shoot and score.
Further, Croatia had motivation. Who was lazy in that team? All players played with 120%. Do you think that Busi, Suarez, Raki today, Alba, even Messi play with 120% in every match?
Also, what I am mentioning often, Croatia played in a 3-option attacking way:
1. if they can outplay an opponent in midfield=they will play with feet and try to create chance on the ground through teamplay, 1-2s, good passes or solo dribbles
2. they have an option to play on counters through 2 fast wingers in Perisic and Rebic (plus Vrsaljko)
3. or, if they struggle to control the match, or if can't break through the bus, they always have RM's option: cross, cross, cross since they have 3 tall targetmen in the box in:
Mandzukic 190cm
Perisic 186cm
Rebic 185cm
Now, I am asking you, what is Barca's gameplan and our options (not due to EV, but due to skillset of our players):
3 ways of attacking:
1. we can only play a possession game.
If it works=fine.
If now=we don't have any other option.
2. counterattacking game?
Well, we have not too fast Griezmann, slow Suarez, and fast Dembele.
But then, even if you give a ball to Dembele, he is too dumb and he will ruin every action.
So, our counterattacking game is=Dembele.
That means that this option doesn't exist. Because counting on Dumbele is not an option.
3. and the last option: if you struggle to break the opponent through the middle, possession, control, you can always turn to the ugliest style: cross the ball into the box, there will always be some havoc and lucky lose balls.
Can Barca do that? No.
Our only taller/stronger player is Suarez, and when he got injured, our 3 attackers were light Rafinha, light Griezz and super light Dembele (can he even jump and head the ball?).
So, Croatia had way weaker players than a current Barca.
But their team had sense.
All players played on their positions, more or less (they don't have Coutinho, Griezz, Roberto playing totally out of position).
Their attack can attack in 3 different ways.
Their midfield, even though technically weaker than Barca's, can still: create, run, cover, defend, jump, tackle but also, unlike Barca: assist, shoot and score.
Did you forget how Croatia, Liverpool, Real Madrid and France were scoring goals in semis and finals?
They would rarely tikitaka the opponent in 2018 in tight matches or outsmart them through the middle of the box.
Majority of goals came after counters, free kicks, corners and headers or from regular crosses and headers.
I mean, when Barca can't break the bus, what do we do?
Pass around the box till death and try to make 1-2s, solo dribbles or through balls even though all players are in the box (lol).
When it doesn't work, we just repeat the same over and over.
People will jump on me again with stupid replies: go watch Stoke.
But again, in maths way:
1. out of 3 ways for scoring, Barca uses only 1 way (possession)
2. and then, normal football teams have midfielders who can give an additional push in shooting and scoring
So, normal teams have 4 things:
1. chances from possession
2. chances from counters
3. chances from crosses+headers
4. midfielders who can create, shoot and score
What does Barca have?
1. chances from possession
What we don't have?
1. chances from counters
2. chances from crosses/headers
3. shots from midfielders
What is worse, we have Messi to mask our onedimensional attacking play.
When you remove Messi, like yesterday, what you have?
= a team which can create only through the ground, and even then we suck at it
2. counters, no
3. crosses, no
4. shots from midfielders, no
And then people tell me: we need a midfield Arthur-Frenkie which will do nothing in the attacking 3rd.
And then we will pass the ball to a bunch of attackers who again can do nothing against a parked bus, if Messi is not on a field.
And even if Messi IS on a field, we will again be able to score only from Messi's solo magic or from 1-2s and possession.
No wonder that any European team can neutralize us easily when we attack in such a onedimensional way.
Now remember:
Atletico 1:0
Atletico 2:0
Psg 4:0
Juve 3:0
Roma 3:0
Liverpool 4:0
Against Roma and Liverpool we didn't have midfield, fine.
But against Atletico, Psg and Juve, we DID have the midfield and still couldn't create real chances because we are creating chances only in one way: Through the ground, through the middle, where opponents have 5-6-7-8 players at the edge of a box in two rows of 4+4 players.
Since we talked about Croatia, now remember how they were creating chances if they struggled to dominate teams in the middle:
= Through counters and through crosses and headers where there is always some weird ricochet and lose balls just waiting to be hit into the net:
Croatia:England:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi_2GELMwfY
Croatia:Russia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjU8j2bj3RY
I don't see any resemblance between Croatia's and Barca's skillset.
Barca has better players, but can attack in only one way.
Well assuming all is true, realistically this cannot be fixed anytime soon; hopefully next summer if needed be. What can be fixed is having someone competent to bring the best out of your current squad.
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