Ernesto Valverde

[gasgas]

you could have just done that without posting that attention seeking, pretentious bit.

I could have yes.
I decided not to

 

[Tackle]

[youtube]21WYg8T2RP0[/youtube]

 

[Marshall D Teach]

[youtube]21WYg8T2RP0[/youtube]

Imagine thinking Valverde has any idea what he's doing

 

[Hardy]

The Valverde system

 

[FC B]

His pressers are one the most non-eventful things in football. He literally never says anything interesting, just cliches, and platitudes and basically signaling how every team we face is dangerous and every game is important.

If you've see one Valverde presser, you've seen all, CL semifinal or Copa game vs L'Hospitalet it's the same ideas formulated in slightly different ways.

His pressers are just like the game of FCB under his tenure.

 

[serghei]

Imagine thinking Valverde has any idea what he's doing

That video is constantly showing Messi between 3-4 players, with very little support making genius passes that only he can pull off in those conditions. And attributing that to a kind of 'system' Valverde uses. His system if a fucking player: Messi. By definition, a system is meant to be as little as possible tied to the individual quality of the pieces. If you take Messi out of Ernie's so-called 'system', everything is reduced to a bunch of stale attacks with no penetration whatsoever and little movement. Because for Valverde's 'system' to work, you need players who turn positional disadvantage in chances to score. Who does that? Only players like Messi, Ronaldinho, Zidane etc. Without those players, and normal but still very good players, positional disadvantages can not lead to consistent progressive possession football that leads to chances.

The video shows a high-Messi dependency. Not a system. But the way Messi's presence wins you La Liga games due to his outstanding playmaking ability.

Klopp and Pep and Simeone have systems. They can replace players and keep the same style. Pep can replace Sane - Aguero - Bernardo, with Sterling - Jesus - Mahrez, or his entire back four or midfield, and would play the same way. Klopp replaced Salah and Firmino with two lower quality players like Shaqiri and Origi and destroyed Barcelona.

So let's get something straight. Messi being magic has nothing to do with Valverde. He would be decisive even under Moyes. Moyes managing Messi wouldn't make him some sort of great manager, because Messi gets away from 4 players and makes a perfect pass to the only viable target.

 

[Alik]

Ate you a new fan? The club has always wanted managers like these. They hated LVGs controversial media handling, was a huge reason for why they passed on Mourinho as he had a similar media handling style to LVG, and we've been hiring yes man managers ever since.

The board choose transfers and everything, the manager here is just a puppet to motivate the players.

Lucho was nothing like Valverde.

 

[jairzinho]

That video is constantly showing Messi between 3-4 players, with very little support making genius passes that only he can pull off in those conditions. And attributing that to a kind of 'system' Valverde uses. His system if a fucking player: Messi. By definition, a system is meant to be as little as possible tied to the individual quality of the pieces. If you take Messi out of Ernie's so-called 'system', everything is reduced to a bunch of stale attacks with no penetration whatsoever and little movement. Because for Valverde's 'system' to work, you need players who turn positional disadvantage in chances to score. Who does that? Only players like Messi, Ronaldinho, Zidane etc. Without those players, and normal but still very good players, positional disadvantages can not lead to consistent progressive possession football that leads to chances.

The video shows a high-Messi dependency. Not a system. But the way Messi's presence wins you La Liga games due to his outstanding playmaking ability.

Klopp and Pep and Simeone have systems. They can replace players and keep the same style. Pep can replace Sane - Aguero - Bernardo, with Sterling - Jesus - Mahrez, or his entire back four or midfield, and would play the same way. Klopp replaced Salah and Firmino with two lower quality players like Shaqiri and Origi and destroyed Barcelona.

So let's get something straight. Messi being magic has nothing to do with Valverde. He would be decisive even under Moyes. Moyes managing Messi wouldn't make him some sort of great manager, because Messi gets away from 4 players and makes a perfect pass to the only viable target.

Excellent post.

 

[Gnidrologist]

Indeed.

 

[George_Costanza]

[youtube]21WYg8T2RP0[/youtube]

Valverde's system?

 

[BBZ8800]

He has obviously instructed players to try more shots from the edge of a box.

That is an improvement over sterile: passing till death and shoot only from a perfect position inside of a box.

 

[Horatio]

Man deserves some coins

 

[Tackle]

And this thread is dead again.



The opportunistic cretins that wanted us to lose have crawled back into the hole from which they came.

 

[Andresito]

It bothers me that we can never manage to keep a clean sheet. When was the last time?

 

[serghei]

Man deserves some coins

I give him 25 cents for not starting either of Rakitic and Roberto. I take 25 cents back for taking off Fati when he was having a great game.

Let's wait the next 4-5 away games until we start to talk about giving him coins. Winning or drawing vs Dortmund and winning vs Villareal would be good.