Francesc "Tito" Vilanova

[Barca8]

Same squad? Sure. But in same health and form? No, not even close. Key players from Pep's regime such as Puyol, Villa, Piqué, Abidal, Dani, Pedro and Xavi have all stagnated. Some naturally from age and health problems, and some from exceptional poor form. And before you yet again accuse Tito as the main villain for these occurrences, the aforementioned players clearly all started to stagnate during Pep's last year as coach.
Your last part about at least imitating Pep's tactics in order to achieve success; you do realize that we didn't win La Liga last year, right? Actually we weren't even close to winning it. This yeah, though, we're winning it, and this with a record breaking margin to the runners up.

I'm not a Tito fan at all, but some of you guys are going to such great lengths in order to bash the man, and you seem to refuse to acknowledge any good he may have done what so ever. It's pathetic really.

I realize I've been rather harsh here, but it's not a personal attack at all. These negative posts have been flooding the forums for a while, though, and frankly, I'm sick and tired of this pitchforks and torches mentality that seems to be in fashion on these forums nowadays.

While I do understand your disdain for "pitch forks and torches", I was only commenting on why I had made some really frustrated posts towards Tito recently.

I'm not blaming Tito for the decline of some of our older players. Never have I said that. But I do blame him for not filling the gaps, after all "we had money for a defender but I told them to save it". Spending 16 mil on Song vs 11 mil for Vertonghen We didn't win the league last year as that was the beginning of the decline of certain players (Pique, Abidal, Pedro, Villa) and supposedly Pep was ready to clear house and get our team back to the top. Before that we did win the league 3 years straight and with the most beautiful football the world has ever seen.

As far as winning the league I'm extremely grateful to add another title to our cabinet. Tito had the squad in good spirits and we had a great opening to the season despite conceding multiple goals every match. But as I said before take Messi out of the equation and we'd struggle to win a lot of games like the 4-5 against Deportivo. Maybe I was a little over the top saying any coach could have come in, but when Tito left to New York very little changed. Messi continued to carry us game after game. My main frustrations come from the lack of faith in our youth (Adriano/Song ahead of Bartra), mistreatment of some (Villa, Tello, Bartra) despite good form and no change of tactics to surprise opponents.


edit: I just wanted to add that I understand the annoyance with "mob mentality". It's just as annoying to go around the player threads and see how everyone is bashing this player or that player saying he should be subbed or sold. I single out Tito because as manager he is in charge of everything; who plays, where they play, how they play, who we sell, who we buy, how we'll use them. I never bash a player. If a player is underperforming it's the manager's job to help them or keep them off the field. Adriano at CB is ridiculous and he was responsible for that Espanyol goal. But in the end it's not his fault because he's playing out of position. It all comes down to the manager and I'm not a Tito fan. He can turn it around if he chooses.

 

[ryuken]

The amount of lol'ing in his press is ......

 

[Pepe Silvia]

It went from Pep who had a guarded and careful... thoughtful way of talking about the team, the plans, the future to Tito.... who just says whatever the hell comes to his mind at the time. 3/4 of it makes no sense at all.

 

[Maria]

I'm not saying it's not, but it's gotten to the point where it's over the top.

Suffering the club's biggest humiliation in the CL(with one of the best squads we ever had) would do that to you..

Tito about the next season: "En algún momento me deberé ausentar."

Vilanova: "We won't find another player like Abidal. The decision was very difficult. I hope he finds a good club and proves us wrong."

 

[Maria]

Some quotes barcastuff didn't translate, from md:

And he sent a message to Johan Cruyff, who asked him to step aside. "The other day Mr. Cruyff was concerned about me and the club.

"Tito [...] tiene un problema enorme que es su enfermedad, primero va la salud. Yo hubiera puesto a otro entrenador en el tiempo que él ha estado fuera, le habría preguntado a Guardiola o Rijkaard si hubieran podido estar dos meses".

Cruyff has said a lot of stupid things and has done a lot of stupid things, but I don't think that it was anything wrong with what he said this time.
Besides, even Tito admites that they've discussed about this posibility:

Tito added, however, that he has addressed his future with the club. "We've talked about it, logically. When you have a disease you must pass revisions. Sometimes I'll be absent. The club knows it. Same if they want to name another coach. I feel strong. Doctors have told me to keep going".

Also Tito would have been more credible if he would have said something like this:

"Everyone knows that he always talks about from a disinterested perspective and impartial".

when we saw Freixa saying that Tito was better than Pep at everything. But I guess that he really thought that Freixa was impartial when he made that statement.

Now, if we look at the club's history I think it's interesting that in the war between Nunez and Cruyff, Reixach chose the first and Tito is doing the same right now, only that is Rosell instead of Nunez. Who said that history doesn't repeat? Unfortunatelly they don't realize just how much they are hurting the club..

 

[Hamzah]

Would cruyff ever coach again?

 

[ryuken]

Would be great if he decide to coach us again, but that would mean the whole amateurish board which is hellbent on destroying everything right now leave altogether.

And i used to think Laporta and Txiki were bad >.<

 

[darthvader7888]

Same squad? Sure. But in same health and form? No, not even close. Key players from Pep's regime such as Puyol, Villa, Piqué, Abidal, Dani, Pedro and Xavi have all stagnated. Some naturally from age and health problems, and some from exceptional poor form. And before you yet again accuse Tito as the main villain for these occurrences, the aforementioned players clearly all started to stagnate during Pep's last year as coach.
Your last part about at least imitating Pep's tactics in order to achieve success; you do realize that we didn't win La Liga last year, right? Actually we weren't even close to winning it. This yeah, though, we're winning it, and this with a record breaking margin to the runners up.

I'm not a Tito fan at all, but some of you guys are going to such great lengths in order to bash the man, and you seem to refuse to acknowledge any good he may have done what so ever. It's pathetic really.

I realize I've been rather harsh here, but it's not a personal attack at all. These negative posts have been flooding the forums for a while, though, and frankly, I'm sick and tired of this pitchforks and torches mentality that seems to be in fashion on these forums nowadays.

We did get owned 7-0 by Bayern (and a big part of that was because of shit tactics and lack of motivation, both of which are Tito's job), and we've done poorly in big games (again, due to shit tactics and lack of motivation), so I think Tito deserves most of the criticism he gets. We didn't win the league last year under Pep, but we've been a lot worse this season in big games. We were extremely unlucky to get knocked out by Chelsea last year in the CL, but this season, we've been shit in big games and outplayed in a lot of them. RM owned us 3-1 and Bayern owned us 7-0. Even Milan (while they're a bit underrated, they're a team that we should have beat easily) managed to beat us 2-0. And we've had the same problems every time: shit tactics and a lack of motivation (like I said, both of those are the coach's job).

Tito also hasn't given the youth enough playing time, and he's overplayed players like Xavi, Messi (Messi shouldn't have played against a fucking relegation zone team right after he played that match in Bolivia), etc. All with the league won by December. Hell, he even played overplayed players like Xavi in pointless games after the league was mathematically won ffs. And he just sucks at rotation. The injuries were mostly Tito's fault, they happened because he overplayed Puyol, Xavi, Messi, etc and because he sucks at rotation.

As for us winning the league, well, you can thank Messi for that.

 

[Clockwise]

Fair enough, but it's also up to Tito to fix the issues, and from the looks of things, he's only making things worse. Much worse.

Yes he is. He may be a good assisstant but he is not ready to coach a team in Barca level.

srsly it is best for his health and family as well as Barca's development to get away from being head coach, the stress level is too high for his conditions and we can not afford to go coachless for a while in the season either.

 

[instinct]

He will stay the coach next season. This is what I fear most. I hope, we will get relativeley easy opponents in the CL next year. :not_i:

 

[darthvader7888]

I have just about had it with Tito. #TitoOut

 

[Stric]

I'm surprised he isn't playing a 3-4-3 with Montoya on the bench.

Kick this clown out.

 

[Hellsangel]

Pack your bags. You're done.

#TitoOut

 

[ZenI]

We have to stop him! Anybody have an idea how (the legal way)?

 

[Barcaman]

Said it in the match thread. Tito complained that we lost to Bayern due to fatigue and then goes on to play the same players every week, even when La Liga was already won. This really is a last straw for me.
Hope he steps down or gets sacked as soon as possible.