Have you noticed how much envy and jealousy the players and coaches from Pep's Barca team seem to attract?

Maradona37

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It occurred to me for many years that Pep, and the players from that team, and the team in general, attract a lot of morons who try to put them down. I will give some examples.

We constantly hear about how Barca had a lot of decisions go in their favour, BUT we never hear about the decisions that go against them in the same games. Sheer one-sided bias. We could go further into individual decisions but we won't. Alternatively, Real Madrid scored plenty of offside goals and Casemiro got away with murder in all their CL wins, yet few people make a big thing of it.

Pep. He's by far the greatest tactician and manager on the planet. But he's constantly subjected to claims of 'Fraudiola', not even ironically either, or was before he went to Man City. He's a bit of a dick yes but he's seen as a joke character by some. OTOH, we have Ancelotti - clearly a much worse coach than Pep and nowhere near him tactically, but it's in fashion for everyone to act like the sun shines out of Ancelotti's arse, go on about how 'cool and unflustered' he is, and generally act like he's the 'Don'.

Messi. This is probably due to jealous fanboys of other players (eg Ronaldo and Lewa), but we constantly hear about how he 'robs BDs'. First of all, that's funny, because CR has robbed plenty and there's no way a player of his ability should have five, certainly not in Messi's era. He was constantly winning it when his team-mates saved him in CL Finals and he was getting nowhere in international tournaments and La Liga. As for Lewa, we always hear Messi scores against weak teams and is poor in big games (bollocks), but there seems to be zero accountability for the fact that Lewa spent the vast majority of his prime years playing for a Bayern team that had a stanglehold and monopoly over German football. Even the year people act like it was an outrage Robert didn't win and Messi did (2021)- what did he actually do? He scored a lot against BL teams much weaker than Bayern, and won the BL, as Bayern always do, but (like most years) he was poor in the CL. Messi's stats outside of goals pissed all over his. Points again to people jumping on the bandwagon of a player who nobody dislikes and is cool to flatter i.e Lewa. Lewa is very similar to Carlo in that he is a very well-liked figure and people try to protect his failures from criticism.

And then just generally other players - Busquets is a 'cheater', but Casemiro isn't apparently, Iniesta didn't score enough goals, Xavi couldn't survive outside of the Barca system, Pique couldn't lace Ramos's boots etc. And just in general Barca were 'boring' (absolutely clueless bollocks spouted by people who have never played football, or if they have are absolutely terrible at it) and much worse to watch than Real Madrid and Man United's rudimentary counter-attacking.

I put all this down to envy, as I say. People don't like that Barca are the best team in our lifetime, with the best players (and by far the best player since Maradona), so their small-mindedness and envy causes them to attack the protagonists of that team far more than others. In fact, the personnel from other teams (Bayern, Real Madrid, Carlo, Ferguson, Ronaldo, Lewa, Modric) are seen as the saviours saving us from 'boring Barca'.

I am not even a Barca fan, but just my take.
 
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KingLeo10

Senior Member
It's the most successful collection of player and manager ever put together, in terms of their career trophies/ achievements.

- Messi: 1 World Cup, 4 CL, 2 Copa America, 10 LL, 1300 G+A, 8 Ballon D'Or, 6 European Golden Shoe

- Pep: 12 league titles (3 LL, 6PL), 3 CL

- Xavi: 1 World Cup, 4 CL, 2 Euros, 8 LL

- Iniesta: 1 World Cup, 4 CL, 2 Euros, 8 LL

Beautiful part is all of them proved it without the others:

Messi went to 2 WC finals (won 1) and won multiple Copas without Xavi, Iniesta, Pep

Pep won CL and 6 PL without Messi and co.

Xavi-Iniesta won 1 WC and 2 Euros without Messi and Pep

:lol:
 

Maradona37

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It's the most successful collection of player and manager ever put together, in terms of their career trophies/ achievements.

- Messi: 1 World Cup, 4 CL, 2 Copa America, 10 LL, 1300 G+A, 8 Ballon D'Or, 6 European Golden Shoe

- Pep: 12 league titles (3 LL, 6PL), 3 CL

- Xavi: 1 World Cup, 4 CL, 2 Euros, 8 LL

- Iniesta: 1 World Cup, 4 CL, 2 Euros, 8 LL

And then others like Alves, Pique, Busquets, Puyol etc. have insane career achievements too
Indeed. I guess it's normal they attract such insane envy. However, I feel that any proper football fan would see that team as the pinnacle of football art.

It isn't even just about their success and achievements. It's the beautiful way they done it - so many homegrown players and absolutely destroying teams. The only way for almost every team to beat Pep's Barca was to sit back, defend for their lives and hope for a lucky break in attack eg Chelsea in 2012, Inter in 2010 (though admittedly Inter played well in the first leg).

When you watch games like the 2011 CL Final or the dismantling of Real Madrid 5-0, it makes you wonder how anyone can't appreciate the quality of that team (even if they hate Barca).

I hate Man United but if they had ever even approached the quality of that Barca team I would say so.
 
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bismp

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That Barca team (2009-2012) terrorized Europe and revolutionized football like no other. On the top of the titles and achievements, we arguably played the most beautiful brand of football. There is literally no other comparison in the 21st century. Fans of most teams are sour.
 

Rassvet

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Few Thoughts

1) There were some scandalous very high profile decisions in Barca's favor during that time like Chelsea not getting any pen and RVP's red card, but do agree that the decisions that went the other way were glossed over and overall Barca weren't favored by the refs.

2) Same double standard could also apply to Madrid's success. There was an uproar and constant memeing about how they always got easy draws after the 15/16 season yet they've gotten very tough paths in their last 4 titles. In the Bayern tie, there were also incorrect calls the other way like Bayern's incorrect penalty that Vidal missed.

3) Think Pep's Barca was genuinely popular among neutrals, certainly more than Mourinho's Madrid or Fergie's United. There is probably quite a bit of EPL centric view to what you're describing as Barca' success and controversial matches happened at the expense of English clubs and broke up the PL golden era whereas Madrid's 16-18 big wins were mostly at the expense of Bayern, Juve, and Atletico who aren't as big in English speaking media. When they did come have a controversial win against an English side in the 18 final, there was a big backlash and hate towards Ramos in particular.
 

Maradona37

Well-known member
Few Thoughts

1) There were some scandalous very high profile decisions in Barca's favor during that time like Chelsea not getting any pen and RVP's red card, but do agree that the decisions that went the other way were glossed over and overall Barca weren't favored by the refs.

2) Same double standard could also apply to Madrid's success. There was an uproar and constant memeing about how they always got easy draws after the 15/16 season yet they've gotten very tough paths in their last 4 titles. In the Bayern tie, there were also incorrect calls the other way like Bayern's incorrect penalty that Vidal missed.

3) Think Pep's Barca was genuinely popular among neutrals, certainly more than Mourinho's Madrid or Fergie's United. There is probably quite a bit of EPL centric view to what you're describing as Barca' success and controversial matches happened at the expense of English clubs and broke up the PL golden era whereas Madrid's 16-18 big wins were mostly at the expense of Bayern, Juve, and Atletico who aren't as big in English speaking media. When they did come have a controversial win against an English side in the 18 final, there was a big backlash and hate towards Ramos in particular.
Fair points, especially needing to give balance for 2. Point 3 is very good and one I glossed over - Barca tended to embarrass PL teams a lot whereas with RM it was more mainland Europe teams, so there was less outcry from the English, who as we know are the loudest and most influential because of their media and the prevalence of the language.

overall I like that post Rassy, well done.
 

Maradona37

Well-known member
That Barca team (2009-2012) terrorized Europe and revolutionized football like no other. On the top of the titles and achievements, we arguably played the most beautiful brand of football. There is literally no other comparison in the 21st century. Fans of most teams are sour.
Agree, Rassy makes good points too but the prevailing feeling is envy from PL fans especially as Pep's style isn't a PL style (remember them saying his possession game wouldn't work at Man City)
 

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