Jair Ventura
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Monaco has a league title and have reached the semi’s and quarters of the UCL over the last 5 seasons. Roma?
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Monaco has a league title and have reached the semi’s and quarters of the UCL over the last 5 seasons. Roma?
serghei
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We're not talking about last year's Monaco, we're talking about this year's version which is shit, and lost 4-0 to Nice, same Nice who was schooled by both Napoli and Lazio in CL and EL respectively.
Alik
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Monaco last season were stronger. This season Roma is better.
serghei
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Not only Roma who won a group containing Chelsea, but several other italian teams as well. Inter is stronger than Monaco as well, Lazio could be too. This Monaco would have slim chances of making top 4 in Serie A, almost non existent. They're a broken team.
Jair Ventura
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Napoli must be shit as well given they lost to 10 man Feyenoord & Shakhtar Donetsk before dropping to the Europa League. And they’re 1st in Italy.
Jair Ventura
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Reality suggest Monaco is stronger than those clubs since they actually win matches and don’t require you to artificially hype them up to make an argument.
serghei
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I've seen Monaco in CL, geting beaten by Besiktas and Porto. You know, the kind of competitions where teams from different leagues face each other and prove which leagues are better than others. Seems Ligue One except for PSG is quite a bit behind Serie A. It's silly to even dispute that, given that Ligue 1 is officially recognized by UEFA as being a lot closer to Portuguese Superliga and Russian League than Serie A.
I'm talking about this year, you know, the present, not what happened last year when before Monaco sold more than half their team.
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Jair Ventura
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I don’t trust your opinion, I trust results. And Monaco’s results domestically and in Europe have been much more significant than Inter and Lazio’s.
Reality > your fantasies
serghei
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No, what you're doing is living in the past. It's like me saying Deportivo La Coruna's results in CL are much more impressive than PSG's, without looking at the reality of today.
Today, Monaco is not even good enough to qualify in Europa League from one of the weakest CL groups. Would be a 7-8 placed team in La Liga and PL and that's being optimistic, and, at best, a 5-6 placed team in Serie A. They would finish top 4 in Bundesliga maybe. Doubt they'd finish ahead of Porto, Sporting, and Benfica in Portugal.
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Jair Ventura
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Weren’t you the person just using where Nice finished last season to argue they were the 3rd best team in France? You were. You’re all over the place trying to justify an inane opinion.
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serghei
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Nice finished 3rd last season in France. If Ligue 1 is a serious league, isn't the team that finished 3rd supposed to be good? You don't see Celta Vigo finishing 3rd in Spain do you?
Jair Ventura
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But Nice isn’t the 3rd strongest team in France, that would be Lyon. And that is clear to anyone with even a fundamental understanding of the competition. But then, I don’t really know where you’re going with your argument anymore. Lyon and Monaco were stronger in Europe than all but Juventus last season, but Serie A is significantly stronger? That is a nonsensical argument.
serghei
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Man, make a distinction between last season and current season. OK, Nice is not the 3rd best team in France atm, that was based on last season, and in France, not having any top teams behind PSG, things can drastically change form month to month almost. I give you that. Nice were great last season, now they've dropped and are mediocre again, which was their normal state to begin with.
Let's say Lyon is the 3rd best team in France. Lyon and Marseille (probably 2nd best) are teams that are stille weaker than Juve (very clear), Napoli (very clear), Roma (clearly, just look at Roma winning a tough CL group), and Inter probably. This is what most football fans would tell you. Marseille lost 1-6 to Monaco this season, months ago. Think about it. Do you think any of those 4 italian teams would go to a poor Monaco and lose 1-6? It's obvious that Ligue 1 teams outside PSG are good teams, but aren't very close to their Serie A counterparts. Serie A is a league going up, surpassed Budesliga in recent years. Ligue 1 is a league going down compared with last season. Juventus is 2nd in Serie A as of now, but would lead Ligue 1 by 6+ points with ease.
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Jair Ventura
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Your problem is you’re trying to degrade a league you don’t follow. Yes, Nice finished 3rd in Ligue 1 last season, but that doesn’t make them the 3rd strongest club in France anymore than Leicester City winning the EPL in 15/16 made them the strongest club in England. PSG, Monaco and Lyon were competing on multiple fonts deep into the season while Nice was eliminated from Europe before the winter break, allowing them to focus solely on the league.
I do not agree that Napoli, Roma, and Inter are stronger than Monaco, Lyon, and Marseille and nothing from European to domestic results support that idea. That is your opinion, but it isn’t based in reality. In reality, Monaco and Lyon have the strongest results of the clubs mentioned as well as the infracture to maintain their strength into the future. As far as Ligue 1 heading down? This is also false. The competition is stronger than its ever been and growing.
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