Kylian Mbappé

[Judoman]

R9 was also a physical beast, even as a teenager, which is what helped him reach superstar level earlier than anybody. Mbappe is close to him in this point of view, but he ain t no R9 talen vise (dribbling, finishing).
It s cool to imagine the goal scoring impact of young R9 in todays game, where attackers have much more protection from refeeres. He d be on Messi/CR level for sure. Maybe even better.

 

[Newcomer]

I honestly don’t understand why you’re so critical of him. Especially in the midst of a spectacular season:

- First, you continually fall back on his fee, which he’s already justified via winning the WC in historic fashion and thereby becoming one of the worlds most recognizable(marketable) players.

- Speaking of recognizable players, iconic mega stars like Neymar and Kylian give legitimacy to Ligue 1 and PSG. They put butts in seats, they grow the PSG brand and supporter base, and they attract sponsors and broadcasters. The latter of which has culminated in an historic domestic broadcasting deal with Media Pro, which will lift all of Ligue 1. You’ll also notice that PSG has established lucrative relationships with globally recognizable brands like Jordan & Babe. A direct result of signing some of the worlds biggest stars.

- You’re comparing his form this season to his form last season absent of any context. Last year he played mostly on the RW in an unbalanced 4-3-3 that was disproportionately reliant on he and Neymar’s individual brilliance. So while he had more time and space on the ball isolated on the right, he was ultimately less effective and less effeicient because there was too much space between he and the ST, whom he didn’t share a strong cohesion with. While Neymar, whom he shared a connection with, was stuck on the opposite wing, making it impossible for them to play off one another.

This season, under Tuchel, the tactical set up has been far more flexible, and he’s no longer spending most of his time on the RW. Instead, Tuchel has moved him closer to the middle in an effort to bring greater proximity to Neymar, who has moved from the LW to a creative #10 role behind the ST’s. With Neymar playing behind Kylian & Cavani, the three have developed an impressive chemistry only shared by the very best forward lines. The inter-play between Neymar and Kylian specifically has been nothing short of special, and you’ll note that both his goal scoring and assist records are far stronger this season than last.

- The above tactical set up has allowed PSG to get off to an historic start in Ligue 1, while also topping the toughest of the UCL groups.

- This isn’t just for you, but for everyone: Stop comparing Kylian to great players that came before him. He isn’t O Fenômeno, or Messi, or Ronaldo. He isn’t even Henry, nor does he have to be in order to be fairly recognized as a great player, so let’s stop analyzing him through the lenses of those names and how they played. He doesn’t have to carry their traits, or have the exact same skills to be great. Let him be Kylian Mbappé.

All you have said is correct but one thing :when Neymar is on the pitch, PSG has often the best player of the game on his side. Without him, Mbappé should be the best player on the pitch. The truth is he is not only not the best of the two teams but not even the best on his team. This fact alone is a big problem for me.

Compare it to Barcelona situation : when Messi is not there, they expect Coutinho or Dembélé to step up and be that X factor. Mbappé has been a tad bit too ordinary lately.

 

[Jair Ventura]

All you have said is correct but one thing :when Neymar is on the pitch, PSG has often the best player of the game on his side. Without him, Mbappé should be the best player on the pitch. The truth is he is not only not the best of the two teams but not even the best on his team. This fact alone is a big problem for me.

Compare it to Barcelona situation : when Messi is not there, they expect Coutinho or Dembélé to step up and be that X factor. Mbappé has been a tad bit too ordinary lately.

- Mbappé is clearly one of PSG's most important players next to Verratti and Thiago Silva

- He's also outplaying Coutinho and Dembélé by a sizable margin, so that isn't a fair comparison

 

[Newcomer]

- Mbappé is clearly one of PSG's most important players next to Verratti and Thiago Silva

- He's also outplaying Coutinho and Dembélé by a sizable margin, so that isn't a fair comparison

Time for him to show that against MU.

I'm certain he will have quiet games but i hope he will back up your optimism.

Damn, these last weeks have been terrible for PSG. That curse is strong on us. We almost lost Kehrer yesterday as well and that moronic referee didn't even give a red despite VAR...

We have to hope for some miracles.

 

[Jair Ventura]

Time for him to show that against MU.

I'm certain he will have quiet games but i hope he will back up your optimism.

Damn, these last weeks have been terrible for PSG. That curse is strong on us. We almost lost Kehrer yesterday as well and that moronic referee didn't even give a red despite VAR...

We have to hope for some miracles.

I'm curious. Are you as critical of Cavani, who regularly vanishes in competitive matches?

 

[Newcomer]

I'm curious. Are you as critical of Cavani, who regularly vanishes in competitive matches?

I respect Cavani but i'm also very critical of him. More so than Mbappé.

Cavani, at times, doesn't even look like a football player. He wasn't able to do a first touch, simple pass in months (or a full year rather). Worse, he could do an entire half with 1 or 3 balls played, or was it a full game ?

I'm for selling Cavani now that he still has some value, with FFP context, and get a new solution (either a new striker or a winger with Mbappé playing central).

My critics about Mbappé wouldn't have been the same if he was a 63 M player like Cavani. With the cost he carries more responsabilities. The team depends a lot on Neymar and it justifies the commitment of the club to have spent so much, both in term of salary and transfer fees. Mbappé should, by the same token, become the second offensive leader (i don't want him to do like Neymar or Messi but even a winger can be an attacking leader like young Ronaldo at MU). So far, when Neymar is not here, Di Maria has shown, despite his inconsistency, he is the offensive leader.

 

[Newcomer]

I'm curious. Are you as critical of Cavani, who regularly vanishes in competitive matches?

By the way, about all the rumours going on Neymar and Mbappé leaving from the spanish press.

From some parisian sources, Neymar side is less likely to leave after we gave him his raise via QNB ambassador contract than Mbappé.

It is true his side has been talking with Florentino. So, imo he should do better at PSG before he can pretend to more.

 

[Donatello]

By the way, about all the rumours going on Neymar and Mbappé leaving from the spanish press.

From some parisian sources, Neymar side is less likely to leave after we gave him his raise via QNB ambassador contract than Mbappé.

It is true his side has been talking with Florentino. So, imo he should do better at PSG before he can pretend to more.

If true, than that's terrible. I mean how much spineless one could be?

A club goes against the odds, pays a world record fees, gives ludicrous wages to you & still you demand more and more & negotiate with other clubs as well.

Such a pity, he was a wonderful player, but his greed and his diva attitude cost him big time.

 

[Newcomer]

If true, than that's terrible. I mean how much spineless one could be?

A club goes against the odds, pays a world record fees, gives ludicrous wages to you & still you demand more and more & negotiate with other clubs as well.

Such a pity, he was a wonderful player, but his greed and immense self importance cost him big time.

Who are you talking about ? The last part of my message was about Mbappé.

Neymar ? Well, even Messi asked for ginormous wage and signing on fee at Barcelona who is the club that gave him his career by taking the risk and providing him treatment.
Players will always ask for more money, no matter who, even more so when you are Neymar. A guy that gets his birthday sponsored by multiple brands. I don't bash him for that, he is (or his father) a smart businessman if he can extract more money while playing the game he loves. It is up to the team to gaue if he is worth what he asks. So far, being the talisman of PSG (and a big part of their hope to CL win), it seems ok in my opinion.
Mbappé in the other hand has not been stellar despite what the raw numbers seem to show.
Just watch PSG games and you'll see my points.

 

[Enjoy your life]

Who are you talking about ?

Neymar ? Well, even Messi asked for ginormous wage and signing on fee at Barcelona who is the club that gave him his career by taking the risk and providing him treatment.
Players will always ask for more money, no matter who, even more so when you are Neymar. A guy that gets his birthday sponsored by multiple brands. I don't bash him for that, he is (or his father) a smart businessman if he can extract more money while playing the game he loves. It is up to the team to gaue if he is worth what he asks. So far, being the talisman of PSG (and a big part of their hope to CL win), it seems ok in my opinion.
Mbappé in the other hand has not been stellar despite what the raw numbers seem to show.
Just watch PSG games and you'll see my points.

madrid fans think if they can get mbappe he will come and carry their team in attack for 10+ years.

do you think he is ready for that role because ur saying he isn't based on what i'm reading.

 

[Donatello]

Who are you talking about ? The last part of my message was about Mbappé.

Neymar ? Well, even Messi asked for ginormous wage and signing on fee at Barcelona who is the club that gave him his career by taking the risk and providing him treatment.
Players will always ask for more money, no matter who, even more so when you are Neymar. A guy that gets his birthday sponsored by multiple brands. I don't bash him for that, he is (or his father) a smart businessman if he can extract more money while playing the game he loves. It is up to the team to gaue if he is worth what he asks. So far, being the talisman of PSG (and a big part of their hope to CL win), it seems ok in my opinion.
Mbappé in the other hand has not been stellar despite what the raw numbers seem to show.
Just watch PSG games and you'll see my points.

Oh, my bad. But still the point stands.

Messi has 5 Ballon D'ors to his name and probably makes a lot more for Barca than he gets paid. Add to the fact he always delivers with top class performance week in week out.

Add to the fact that the many fanboys follow Barca because of Messi and its by no means a small number. People dream of watching Messi play live, its no match for Neymar.

I would also like to add that Messi is 31, has served the club for his lifetime. I don't think its unfair to pay him as much.

And I agree footballer do think about money, but what Neymar does is unacceptable.

 

[Newcomer]

Oh, my bad. But still the point stands.

Messi has 5 Ballon D'ors to his name and probably makes a lot more for Barca than he gets paid. Add to the fact he always delivers with top class performance week in week out.

Add to the fact that the many fanboys follow Barca because of Messi and its by no means a small number. People dream of watching Messi play live, its no match for Neymar.

I would also like to add that Messi is 31, has served the club for his lifetime. I don't think its unfair to pay him as much.

And I agree footballer do think about money, but what Neymar does is unacceptable.

All that is true for Neymar at PSG and more generally in France. Remember the start of the season when every game away a young fan would invade the pitch to get a hug or the shirt of Neymar ? Our opponents hate us and well, you could say most of the french football fans hate us (it has always been the case with PSG but now it is on steroid and we have become hated even at european level like here ^^). Still, they will all battle to get tickets to see games with him, get his shirt, etc.

PSG has got fans worldwide thanks to this kind of acquisition. PSG has got Jordan collaboration, probably thanks to Neymar who has always been close to that brand. And so on, and so on.

Also Neymar is delivering week in week out. I know you don't watch Ligue 1 but he is just an awesome player, far beyond the rest. To the point you can say there is a PSG with Neymar and a PSG without Neymar. The only other player with that same assertion is Verratti (but at a less imortant level).

Yeah, he has not won Ballon d'Or but, to be honest, i don't care. What does Ballon d'Or is going to do for PSG exactly ? Nothing. I am a PSG fan, not a player fan. I noticed there are some Barca fans that are sometimes more Messi fans and are raging about his number of Ballon d'Or as if it has some kind of importance ? The guy is the best player and is delivering consistently, just enjoy it.

 

[Jair Ventura]

How did a discussion about Kylian's level of play devolve into criticisms about Neymar's salary?

 

[Newcomer]

How did a discussion about Kylian's level of play devolve into criticisms about Neymar's salary?

People like to shit on Neymar no matter what.

His foot is broken two seasons in a row and people are joking about his sister birthday.

Haters gonna hate.

 

[Donatello]

Yeah, he has not won Ballon d'Or but, to be honest, i don't care. What does Ballon d'Or is going to do for PSG exactly ? Nothing. I am a PSG fan, not a player fan. I noticed there are some Barca fans that are sometimes more Messi fans and are raging about his number of Ballon d'Or as if it has some kind of importance ? The guy is the best player and is delivering consistently, just enjoy it.

I agree Balon D'or has lost its actual purpose, winning it depends on CL success rather than overall player accomplishments. But you have media, fans, journalists discuss it & no one thinks Neymar is living to his potential.

But still, Messi and Ronaldo clearly deserve the recognition they get, irrespective of the individual awards. They have had unprecedented level of top performance consistently, for nearly a decade.

Neymar is a very good player, but nowhere near to those two. At 27, both of them were dominating the world, while Neymar is lost in Ligue 1. Now, even Mbappe is challenging him, so he isn't even the undisputed best in PSG squad.

He hasn't won anything notable, neither personal, nor for the club. He is definitely exceptionally marketable, no doubt, but its sports, your sporting accomplishments decide how good of a sports person are you. Commercial success is important but when it comes to sporting success, he hasn't achieved anything, call it bad luck, call it inconsistancy, call it whatever you want.

And, I have no problems in general, if you think Neymar's antics are justified. He is a PSG player, and if PSG fans are ok with it, good for them. I just felt it was unfair in general and argued against it.