Kylian Mbappé
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Kul_z
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Modric wanted to play in barca. Never say never
Messigician
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Breaking
Mbappe has landed in Barcelona
Wtf bros?
Xavi effect?
Mbappe has landed in Barcelona
Wtf bros?
Xavi effect?
soul24rage
Senior Member
Welcome to Barca Kylian!
Joan
Well-known member
Messigician
Senior Member
Just funny to gas bums like you lmfao
Joan
Well-known member
When it works
behindbrowneyes
Well-known member
Of course, anyone would take Mbappe.
HOWEVER,
We had Messi for more than a decade and I'm so grateful for everything he did for Barca. So many memories, so many beautiful goals, so many trophies. Having a player like him brings other issues though. If you have a big player, you have to build the team around him. What does this make in the dressing room, to the coach, to the decision making? In modern football it's hard to be a big star, because it has been proven that teams like Liverpool, Bayern and Chelsea have won the CL without having one big star but the team being the main star. Then there is City too who have been quite dominant in PL without a main star. Look at the shitshow PSG has become with 3 big stars. When you create a team, you can beat anybody. Look at what Xavi did with that Barca team in a short amount of time. Has beaten Atletico, Bilbao, Napoli, Madrid.
Currently the best teams in world football are the best TEAMS. Not Salah, not De Bruyne, not Lewandowski. Very, very good players, but they are just a part of 11 team players fighting for each others, not 10 running and fighting for them. There are so many angles of how these teams can get results. When you've got a player like Messi, Mbappe merely every action has to go through them . What do you do by that? You minimize your chances of being successful percentage wise if you play every action through one guy. Those players can be unpredictable, but having those tactics makes the team predictable. When you have a team like current Barca, where all of them are talented, you have so many options of how you can get to success instead of being stuck in one way. Look at that team and how head- and planless they were right after Leo left. There main solution was passing to Messi. I love Messi, but look at the togetherness of that current team. That's a real team, that's a proper team, that's a team in the way of Bayern, City, Liverpool. Not on that level yet, but you can see that there is something growing. That togetherness in combination with talent is just a tough thing to beat.
Asked about a possible return of Leo, Xavi said:
“[Messi] is the greatest of all time and he will always have the door open for him at Barca,”
“As long as I am Barca’s coach, he is welcome any day. I think we owe him a big tribute.
“I think that as he is under contract with PSG, there is not much we can say. But if he wants to he can come to watch training and speak to the coach. What he has given us is priceless.”
What he said is the standard answer he had to say. Now, do you think Xavi went home and entertained the thought of even trying to get Messi back to Barca? I guess he was even praying that Messi won't be available, because he has built something already that he can get excited about. That's his product, his idea, his structure of the team, the players on the pitch, the movement of the team. Now, if Messi or any other big star would come through the door, the first thing Xavi has to do is move practically all of the other pieces in the team around to shoehorn that star into that team. And we don't have even to talk about it what it means in terms of team chemistry, respect etc. to have a player like that in the team.
Everybody would be excited to have Mbappe in current team, but truth is current fromt 3 wouldn't be the same with Mbappe in the team. He is a star player and he'll demand special treatment in some way or form. Everything in the team will change just because of one player. Some of it to the positive because of his class, but some of it to the negative.
That's the reason why I'm not afraid if Barca can't land Haaland or Mbappe. Current star is the team and I really enjoy it. You can still add different kind of talents to the team and become better without getting a big star. Lewandowski or Salah weren't that big of stars, but they've become stars while being part of a real team, a team, that is playing, fighting and running for each other without having the burden of having to satisfy one player's ego. I know this sounds harsh, but that's how I see it. I can say without envy that I'm excited to see how Madrid will do with Mbappe and how they'll solve the problem of having to move some pieces around that are working quite well for them currently. By that I mean Vinicius and Benzema especially.
HOWEVER,
We had Messi for more than a decade and I'm so grateful for everything he did for Barca. So many memories, so many beautiful goals, so many trophies. Having a player like him brings other issues though. If you have a big player, you have to build the team around him. What does this make in the dressing room, to the coach, to the decision making? In modern football it's hard to be a big star, because it has been proven that teams like Liverpool, Bayern and Chelsea have won the CL without having one big star but the team being the main star. Then there is City too who have been quite dominant in PL without a main star. Look at the shitshow PSG has become with 3 big stars. When you create a team, you can beat anybody. Look at what Xavi did with that Barca team in a short amount of time. Has beaten Atletico, Bilbao, Napoli, Madrid.
Currently the best teams in world football are the best TEAMS. Not Salah, not De Bruyne, not Lewandowski. Very, very good players, but they are just a part of 11 team players fighting for each others, not 10 running and fighting for them. There are so many angles of how these teams can get results. When you've got a player like Messi, Mbappe merely every action has to go through them . What do you do by that? You minimize your chances of being successful percentage wise if you play every action through one guy. Those players can be unpredictable, but having those tactics makes the team predictable. When you have a team like current Barca, where all of them are talented, you have so many options of how you can get to success instead of being stuck in one way. Look at that team and how head- and planless they were right after Leo left. There main solution was passing to Messi. I love Messi, but look at the togetherness of that current team. That's a real team, that's a proper team, that's a team in the way of Bayern, City, Liverpool. Not on that level yet, but you can see that there is something growing. That togetherness in combination with talent is just a tough thing to beat.
Asked about a possible return of Leo, Xavi said:
“[Messi] is the greatest of all time and he will always have the door open for him at Barca,”
“As long as I am Barca’s coach, he is welcome any day. I think we owe him a big tribute.
“I think that as he is under contract with PSG, there is not much we can say. But if he wants to he can come to watch training and speak to the coach. What he has given us is priceless.”
What he said is the standard answer he had to say. Now, do you think Xavi went home and entertained the thought of even trying to get Messi back to Barca? I guess he was even praying that Messi won't be available, because he has built something already that he can get excited about. That's his product, his idea, his structure of the team, the players on the pitch, the movement of the team. Now, if Messi or any other big star would come through the door, the first thing Xavi has to do is move practically all of the other pieces in the team around to shoehorn that star into that team. And we don't have even to talk about it what it means in terms of team chemistry, respect etc. to have a player like that in the team.
Everybody would be excited to have Mbappe in current team, but truth is current fromt 3 wouldn't be the same with Mbappe in the team. He is a star player and he'll demand special treatment in some way or form. Everything in the team will change just because of one player. Some of it to the positive because of his class, but some of it to the negative.
That's the reason why I'm not afraid if Barca can't land Haaland or Mbappe. Current star is the team and I really enjoy it. You can still add different kind of talents to the team and become better without getting a big star. Lewandowski or Salah weren't that big of stars, but they've become stars while being part of a real team, a team, that is playing, fighting and running for each other without having the burden of having to satisfy one player's ego. I know this sounds harsh, but that's how I see it. I can say without envy that I'm excited to see how Madrid will do with Mbappe and how they'll solve the problem of having to move some pieces around that are working quite well for them currently. By that I mean Vinicius and Benzema especially.
DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
The team is indeed the most important thing, however players like Mbappe can change a game when most things don't work. That's why having a player like that is a big advantage IF the team itself is balanced and everyone works together as they do in Liverpool with Salah.
I believe that's one of the reasons why City sometimes have struggled in the Champions League. When nothing works they don't have that one attacking player that can do something incredible and change a game in a moment.
There's obviously very few of such players to begin with.
I believe that's one of the reasons why City sometimes have struggled in the Champions League. When nothing works they don't have that one attacking player that can do something incredible and change a game in a moment.
There's obviously very few of such players to begin with.
The only reason so many users here have eaten this "super talented players are bad for the team" drivel is because it's a coping mechanism to deal with the fact that we can't afford any of them. If prime Neymar at the age of 24 became available, you'd all take him. If prime Messi came along, you'd all take him too. It's sickening watching some of you trying to justify and rationalize how a 23 year old player capable of scoring 30+ goals a season and changing the game completely by himself, already the best left winger in the world, is somehow "bad" for the team. As if having a team of budget wingers and forwards like Adama, Dembele, Luuk is somehow better than having a team with Mbappes, prime Neymar, Messis, and prime Aguero. As if a team of elite players/super stars are incapable of "playing as a team." Quite literally, the most succesful teams domestically and in Europe throughout the 2010s were squads filled with super stars/the best players in their positions; from MSN Barcelona, to Zidane's Madrid, Jupp's Bayern, to Klopp's Liverpool; they all had multiple top players in their positions. Quite literally the only exception to that trend was Chelsea in 2012 and 2021. Like seriously "uh guys i actually prefer a team with budget players because they're a real team...ew the best players in the world."
Lmao, get real.
Lmao, get real.
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