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[Maradona37]

Vini is far better than CR7 as a "playmaker" although I wouldn't really call him one either. At least not in a traditional sense.

Most of the chances he creates are on the break by slipping through a pass to another player. You won't see him unlock defenses sitting deep with his passes.

That's what I mean. His passes are pretty basic and happen in the final third. He doesn't thread balls through eyes of needles or anything.

People say Salah can't do anything from deep. Last night he played a lovely pass through to Nunez from his own half. It wasn't amazing but it was nice and something you rarely if ever see Vinicius do.

 

[El Gato]

Yea way less selfish that Ronaldo, but literally everyone is.

But the primary amount of creativity they bring to the game comes from general wing play, dribbles, but backs etc.

A playmaker needs to do more than that.

World class though, obviously

Yh hence not Ronaldo
Could maybe stick a Robben tag on him at a push

Playmaker back in the day would be likes of Xavi, Guti, Kroos, even Alves or Marcelo, not wingers lol. People just don't know meaning of words when they use them

In modern sense where folk extend it to attackers term is basically 'setting players up' and funny how people pretend Salah of all people does far more than Vini there.
Vini is essentially best chance creator in the league since Messi 2019 season. Makes plays that way all the time.

 

[DonAK]

Don't even think about Salah as one.

Lamine Yamal on the other hand.......how many wingers can break defenses like him with his passes from every possible angle?

Now that's a playmaker.

 

[Maradona37]

Wingers can definitely be playmakers. Even if you think I am giving Salah more credit in that realm than he deserves, others have been mentioned.

 

[Temptation]

Don't even think about Salah as one.

Lamine Yamal on the other hand.......how many wingers can break defenses like him with his passes from every possible angle?

Now that's a playmaker.

What do people mean by a playmaker?

A chance creator of someone who creates chances and recycles the ball well?

Is Bruno a playmaker? He creates chances for fun.

 

[Maradona37]

'In modern sense where folk extend it to attackers term is basically 'setting players up''

No it isn't. I even told you two or three times that assisting isn't playmaking.

 

[Temptation]

Wingers can definitely be playmakers. Even if you think I am giving Salah more credit in that realm than he deserves, others have been mentioned.

Ribery, Hazard, Neymar, Dinho come to mind.

 

[El Gato]

Indeed
One of Salah's twenty dimensions
Come off it babes

Vini is far from one dimensional. Has evolved into being a lot less predictable too with age as stopped losing ball on random touches and became a bit more tuned into getting into space

 

[Maradona37]

What do people mean by a playmaker?

A chance creator of someone who creates chances and recycles the ball well?

Is Bruno a playmaker? He creates chances for fun.

The latter much more,. Someone who keeps the play going, is great on the half-turn, dribbles well in tight spaces to open space, links up well does 'good intelligent footballer' thing throughout the 90.

David Silva, Iniesta, Hazard, Neymar types.

I wouldn't call a chance creator a playmaker, though a playmaker can be a chance creator.

Bruno Fernandes creates chances due to his pass spamming style, but he's not a playmaker as he doesn't do the above stuff.

 

[Maradona37]

Indeed
One of Salah's twenty dimensions
Come off it babes

Vini is far from one dimensional. Has evolved into being a lot less predictable too with age as stopped losing ball on random touches and became a bit more tuned into getting into space

Maybe I was harsh calling him one dimensional. I can concede maybe I was hasty.

But I think it's fair to say he's less into th general play than Neymar, Hazard, Ribery.

 

[El Gato]

Aye Vini is great at all of the above
Good stuff

 

[Temptation]

The latter much more,. Someone who keeps the play going, is great on the half-turn, dribbles well in tight spaces to open space, links up well does 'good intelligent footballer' thing throughout the 90.

David Silva, Iniesta, Hazard, Neymar types.

I wouldn't call a chance creator a playmaker, though a playmaker can be a chance creator.

Bruno Fernandes creates chances due to his pass spamming style, but he's not a playmaker as he doesn't do the above stuff.

Are KDB and Ozil playmakers? They spam a lot of high risk low percentage balls too, but I would have a hard time discounting KDB and Ozil as playmakers. For me, they are playmakers too.

By your definition, I wouldn't call Mo a playmaker. More of a final ball player.

 

[Maradona37]

Are KDB and Ozil playmakers? They spam a lot of high risk low percentage balls too, but I would have a hard time discounting KDB and Ozil as playmakers. For me, they are playmakers too.

I did think about KDB, and Ozil is a good shout too.

I think they're more hybrids - they are more about cutting edge than full blown playmaker like D Silva, Ribery or Iniesta, but they're not just focused fully on chance creation as Fernandes tends to be (well De Bruyne isn't anyway).

 

[DonAK]

What do people mean by a playmaker?

A chance creator of someone who creates chances and recycles the ball well?

Is Bruno a playmaker? He creates chances for fun.

Ideally? Both tbh.

But in terms of winger I'd say someone who can unlock defenses with his passes regardless of whether it's a team sitting deep or high up with a lot of space in front of you.

Most of the chances Vini creates are on the break, which is one of the reasons he struggles for Brazil, especially with Neymar out, because those teams will sit deep and attack him.

 

[Temptation]

I did think about KDB, and Ozil is a good shout too.

I think they're more hybrids - they are more about cutting edge than full blown playmaker like D Silva, Ribery or Iniesta, but they're not just focused fully on chance creation as Fernandes tends to be (well De Bruyne isn't anyway).

The thing is Bruno is the only guy who can create chances for Yanited so maybe it's just tactical instructions for him to try the spectacular final balls.


Hate the guy but he's a great passer. Has great range, vision and can definitely play the simple recycling passes. Him trying the tough passes might be down to tactical instructions and creative burden........


On second thought, I'd call him a playmaker.