Lionel Messi - v7

[5ergio_Busquets]

Messi's agent who is also his father is in Argentina, was Messi even serious with all this?

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

Would you guys give Messi and Suarez for Mbappe and maybe one more player?

nah Mbappe is a bit overrated but him and Veratti are fine

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

This has become a big joke now. La Liga will start in 2 weeks and Barcelona is in big trouble.

 

[Birdy]

How many trophies did we get before Messi and how many after? How many CLs did Pep get with Messi and without Messi? I want it black on white, not "we had many legends". Mate, if you dont see that 34 trophies in Messi era is unlike ANY legendary player you are fucking clueless.

Wow paying him growth hormons, must have worth ton more then BILLIONS he made tbis club. Directly. Half of our sponsors will fuck of once he is gone.

Basic logical fallacy that many people here make.
Correlation is NOT causation.

The fact that when Messi wore the shirt the team won 34 trophies, does not mean it won because of him (and only of him).

 

[Toecrusher]

Dont see why this is an issue where need to take sides. There are many nuanced aspects to it and its possible to have a viewpoints that are not extreme one way or the other.

What I think:
- Barto is a f*cking rat and has destroyed this club with Rossell (sorry no nuance there)
- Messi genuinely wants to leave. This is not a powerplay to get rid of Barto and the Board.
- His reason for leaving is because there is no future sporting project here, and he is 33. Even if Barto resigns nothing changes. It's got NOTHING to do with his amigos being kicked out ffs.
- Yes he is partly complicit in there being no future sporting project / culture of amigos. But that's in the past now and he can only look at what's ahead of him.
- He prefers the 'plastic' Man City because that's where all the Barcelona exiles are. His introverted character is one where he likes to be surrounded by familiarity, so it makes the most sense to go to a place where the environment is one where he can easily fit into.
- No he definitely should not leave on a free, but neither should we ask for 700m. Best would be to come to some sort of reasonable agreement in the 100-200m range.
- There is no point in Barto trying to keep Messi this year. He will leave for free next year, so best to make some money for the club while its possible. Only thing achieved by keeping him this year is that Barto doesnt get the tag of the president who lost Messi.
- I am genuinely excited/curious to see what a Barca without Messi plays like, and to see others taking on more responsibility. I have a feeling that while we may win less, it may be a more cohesive functional team
- It will be so so sad to see him leave without a proper farewell in front of a full Camp Nou.
- And finally, for everyone badmouthing him, just STOP. He has lit up our lives and our club for the last 15 years in a way that no one could have dreamed of, so would be nice to take a step back and express gratitude, and wish him all the happiness in playing football that he deserves.

 

[blaugrana1987]

Basic logical fallacy that many people here make.
Correlation is NOT causation.

The fact that when Messi wore the shirt the team won 34 trophies, does not mean it won because of him (and only of him).

Are you going to come here at barca forum and with straight face say Messi wasnt the biggest reason for our winning spree in last 15 years?

 

[Toecrusher]

Basic logical fallacy that many people here make.
Correlation is NOT causation.

The fact that when Messi wore the shirt the team won 34 trophies, does not mean it won because of him (and only of him).

Douglas winning the treble in 2015, and as many Ligas as CR7 = Correlation
Barca the most successful club in the Messi era = Causation

Logical enough?

 

[DonAK]

Dont see why this is an issue where need to take sides. There are many nuanced aspects to it and its possible to have a viewpoints that are not extreme one way or the other.

What I think:
- Barto is a f*cking rat and has destroyed this club with Rossell (sorry no nuance there)
- Messi genuinely wants to leave. This is not a powerplay to get rid of Barto and the Board.
- His reason for leaving is because there is no future sporting project here, and he is 33. Even if Barto resigns nothing changes. It's got NOTHING to do with his amigos being kicked out ffs.
- Yes he is partly complicit in there being no future sporting project / culture of amigos. But that's in the past now and he can only look at what's ahead of him.
- He prefers the 'plastic' Man City because that's where all the Barcelona exiles are. His introverted character is one where he likes to be surrounded by familiarity, so it makes the most sense to go to a place where the environment is one where he can easily fit into.
- No he definitely should not leave on a free, but neither should we ask for 700m. Best would be to come to some sort of reasonable agreement in the 100-200m range.
- There is no point in Barto trying to keep Messi this year. He will leave for free next year, so best to make some money for the club while its possible. Only thing achieved by keeping him this year is that Barto doesnt get the tag of the president who lost Messi.
- I am genuinely excited/curious to see what a Barca without Messi plays like, and to see others taking on more responsibility. I have a feeling that while we may win less, it may be a more cohesive functional team
- It will be so so sad to see him leave without a proper farewell in front of a full Camp Nou.
- And finally, for everyone badmouthing him, just STOP. He has lit up our lives and our club for the last 15 years in a way that no one could have dreamed of, so would be nice to take a step back and express gratitude, and wish him all the happiness in playing football that he deserves.

I'll say cheers to that.

Fair and reasonable.

 

[te amo barca]

Think he would be fine without it dawg.

 

[.blitzer]

Dont see why this is an issue where need to take sides. There are many nuanced aspects to it and its possible to have a viewpoints that are not extreme one way or the other.

What I think:
- Barto is a f*cking rat and has destroyed this club with Rossell (sorry no nuance there)
- Messi genuinely wants to leave. This is not a powerplay to get rid of Barto and the Board.
- His reason for leaving is because there is no future sporting project here, and he is 33. Even if Barto resigns nothing changes. It's got NOTHING to do with his amigos being kicked out ffs.
- Yes he is partly complicit in there being no future sporting project / culture of amigos. But that's in the past now and he can only look at what's ahead of him.
- He prefers the 'plastic' Man City because that's where all the Barcelona exiles are. His introverted character is one where he likes to be surrounded by familiarity, so it makes the most sense to go to a place where the environment is one where he can easily fit into.
- No he definitely should not leave on a free, but neither should we ask for 700m. Best would be to come to some sort of reasonable agreement in the 100-200m range.
- There is no point in Barto trying to keep Messi this year. He will leave for free next year, so best to make some money for the club while its possible. Only thing achieved by keeping him this year is that Barto doesnt get the tag of the president who lost Messi.
- I am genuinely excited/curious to see what a Barca without Messi plays like, and to see others taking on more responsibility. I have a feeling that while we may win less, it may be a more cohesive functional team
- It will be so so sad to see him leave without a proper farewell in front of a full Camp Nou.
- And finally, for everyone badmouthing him, just STOP. He has lit up our lives and our club for the last 15 years in a way that no one could have dreamed of, so would be nice to take a step back and express gratitude, and wish him all the happiness in playing football that he deserves.

Finally a proper fucking post in here. Thank you.

Messi is also at fault for the current situation of the club, but the disrespect is ridiculous. Like we're talking about Turan here.

 

[Jadentheman]

Messi's agent who is also his father is in Argentina, was Messi even serious with all this?

Man City delegation is coming early next week.

 

[kattanib]

Tickle him, he might speak

 

[Tackle]

Tickle him, he might speak

Gone from suck, to bite, to tickle in a matter of days.

Unbelievable scenes.

 

[Hardy]

Lionel Messi still has the idea of talking and giving explanations, but not imminently - not tomorrow, not Monday and maybe not even next week. In time, he will make everything clear. RAC1

maybe never

 

[Givenchy]

yeah don't worry Leo, not like Barca have a new manager with a season to prepare for. take your time