Lionel Messi - v7
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Mike the Knife
BBZ8800
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** About Messi in La liga this season, he improved a lot. Kudos for that.
Each fan is different.
When I was a kid, I never cared too much about winning La Liga (or CDR) and I only waited for February, March, April for CL knockout games.
Competitive football for me was = CL knockout matches and a World cup, nothing else.
When Barca got KOd in KO games in 90s and early 00s, my thoughts were always: oh no, that's game over for me until the next season. I am not going to watch football or CL finals or other matches till the next February.
I didn't think: oh well, at least we'll win against Zaragoza or Salamanca on weekend and everything will be fine.
I know, each person is different. For some league competitions are the most important thing for them as fans.
For others it's the rivalry against Real and everything is fine as long as we are better than them.
For some others, it's the idolizing of specific players and their mental food is counting whether Messi will win Ballon D Or over CR7, as the main thing in that season, regardless of team's success.
Each fan is different and each has different thing which he sees as important.
My level of importance is roughly:
8 points, winning a World cup
6 points, Euros
4 Champions league
3 points, Copa America (some will jump on me, I just don't care that much about South American cup as a European)
1 point La Liga
0.2 points CDR and supercups
0 points Ballon D Or
In that sense, since I started to follow Barca in a CL around 1993 or 1994, a team from 2006 will always have a No1 spot in my heart since I waited for 12-13 years as a kid for that CL title.
About La ligas, of course that I am happy when we win them, but since I am not Spanish, I don't care too much about politics, Catalonia, history, hating on Madrid/Franco/Cr7.
Real Madrid for me aren't any better/worse/more hated than Bayern/Juve/Inter/City.
In that sense, I would trade 7-10 La ligas for 2 CLs in a hearbeat.
Regarding my harsher words about Messi, I am disappointed by his CL career.
I would discribe my views as:
You are walking on the street, someone comes to you and say: you are a lucky person, you will play a lottery with us. We will give you 3 cards:
1) if you pull a card no1, you will earn nothing
2) if you pull a card no2, you will earn a million dollars
3) if you pull a card no3, you will get 5 million dollars from us
And for me, Messi's CL career is = a card no2 when you earned 1 million dollars on a lottery.
On one hand, that is an awesome scenario, since you earned 1 million out of nowhere (and Messi was a gift for us who came out of nowhere).
But then, on the other hand, you might ask yourself: but I could have won 5 million dollars also...
Maybe I should be more humble and enjoy but that's how I feel.
You know that I am less interested about aesthetics and beautiful play and more leaned towards trophies and pure stats/numbers.
In that sense, if Messi was really the best ever, my sentiments are: he could have achieved way more in a CL.
Again, Messi and Cr7 are the first generation of top footballers who had a privilege to play for 15 years in a CL for top clubs.
Barca from 2005/06 to 2016/17 was either a favorite no1 for winning a CL or in top2 favorites.
On the other hand, CR7 is a way weaker footballer skill wise.
Yet he managed to win 5 CLs in the same time and even 4 CLs in 5 years.
And Barca didn't even lose once to Real Madrid in those years, but we got KOd by random so-so clubs who were usually later KOd by Madrid who didn't choke against them.
I could understand replies like: Messi is older today and our team is meh.
But in 2007, we were former champions.
In 2008, that was the same team.
From 2008-2012, the best team in a history.
In 2013, ok we had problems and injuries.
In 2014, a shitty form and a pressure due to a World cup.
2015-17, the most expensive attacking trio ever.
R9 never reached his potential due to injuries.
Ronaldinho ended his career too soon due to partying.
Adriano ended it due to father's death and partying.
Messi, well, for me, he just could have achieved way way more in a CL in younger days, based on his skills.
This could be a textbook example of a glass either half full or half empty.
For Catalinutz, the glass is half full.
For me it's half empty when looking at our CL history in Messi's career.
And please, don't try to mention/explain La liga titles/goals.
Those are awesome.
But for me, CL is the ring for the greatest, that's what matters the most.
That's how my football brain/heart works.
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KingLeo10
Senior Member
The entire discussion at the beginning of the season was about Messi not scoring in LL and you mocking him to no end for that.
Ain't nobody mentioned CL and WC, except you, who has trouble accepting a L/giving Kudos when you got served without also adding a "But here's where I'm right" addendum because you have an insufferable tendency to always be in the "right".
Also funny: "I only care about CL/national team trophies" and yet you went through the trouble of digging up Messi's PK stats from the supercopa (LMAO) the other day to make your agenda. Come on man, I have nothing against you in non-football matters but you have a serious problem when it comes to pushing agendas for/against certain players. That's all there is to it.
DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
ebc_99
Active member
I agree that we are not far off competing again, it is exciting to see a new team coming together in front of our eyes. De Jong, Fati, Araujo, Ilaix & Pedri will all be very important in the long term but Messi will still be at the top for another 2 or 3 seasons. Not sure Bayern will be on the wane though.
KingLeo10
Senior Member
I think most football cycles last about 3 years (sometimes 4) and Bayern will be heading into their 3rd season at the top next year. Usually, that's when teams get dethroned...and while they are likely to be strong, I think we have a shot at dethroning them with the right signings.
By the way, we had a conversation earlier this season when Messi was struggling and I said he wasn't in the top 3 in the world at that moment. Happy to be proven wrong as he has shown he is top 1 at the moment. Or at least joint best with Lewandowski.
malvolio
Senior Member
Looking at it subjectively(can't help myself), Messi has always been no 1. Only exceptions happened in the seasons when CR7 won more than him.
Not even counting bums like Lewandowski having a good season when that can be covered by 1 month of Messi highlights in the same season. The same thing happened when they gave Modric the Ballon D'or just because Messi and Ronaldo haven't won anything of note that season, even though both are better players when drunk than that skinny lesbian.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Messi's touch before the Goal. <a href="https://t.co/9LpWSy7gFs">pic.twitter.com/9LpWSy7gFs</a></p>— Ryan (@RyanDMi) <a href="https://twitter.com/RyanDMi/status/1371557580271611906?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Fati_Future_BallonDor
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15/16 Ney was better than Messi brolivio and 19/20 Lewa was better. 16/17 its difficult but i would go with Ronaldo because of his knockout performances.
Fati_Future_BallonDor
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te amo barca
Blaugrana al vent
Se queda.
soul24rage
Senior Member
Messi won the domestic double and Ronaldo won the CL that season, not sure that qualifies as "anything of note"
Is this the correct translation, because going from this it sounds like Leo has already got one foot out the door.
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