Lionel "The Greatest of All Time" Messi V2

[companyofcules]

Messi was much more involved in defensive work and pressing back then. Yes, it was not Firmino's level WITHOUT THE BALL, but he ran a lot and was actively involved in pressing.

Problems began to appear in the 2011-2012 season.

By the way, I am inclined to believe that this was one of the reasons why Pep decided to leave. He could control everyone, but not Messi.

Does Pep respect Messi? Yes. Is he considered individually the strongest football player in history? Yes.
But Pep wanted to continue to build a team that would obey his principles, namely the principles of total football.

Yeah for sure. Messi pressing was the thing.
Man, first of all Pique was not a clown then, Puyol neever was, we had other people beside Alba, Busquets, and Iniesta was not Rakitic.
FCB was a corps carried by MNS and then only Messi. You wanted him to save Busquets too or Umtiti. For that we paid millions to them too, to run.
If you win your 1 v 1 you can't be humiliated regardless. Is as symple, Messi won his, Suarez not, Pique not, Umtiti not, Busquets not, Alba not, Rakitic some, Lenglet won penalties and the list goes on and on.
At Real Varane won his duels, Carvajal won his duels, Casemiro won his duels, Ramos won his duels and broke Salah in half, Modric won his duels, Benzema won his duels with style, Isco too.
Get a fucking brain.
If the team was so good and Messi a bum nobody will keep him. The team was a pension house for catalan fat cats. Iniesta and Xavi refused to play anymore. If they didn't at least now we would have no worries about Xavi the manager because he will still be there.
Fucking Roberto is still there.

 

[soul24rage]

I don't believe in this at all.

I admit that the City owners wanted Messi or Ronaldo in order to increase brand awareness, image, etc.

Ronaldo even said that there were some negotiations with City.

But I am absolutely convinced that Pep did not take Leo to the team in 2020, much less Ronaldo, who is much worse as a football player.

You can do some research online and you will believe it.

 

[companyofcules]

Piece of meat, problems in Leo’s game without the ball began back in the 2011-2012 season. Don’t tell me about age, Modric defended at 25, 30, 35 and 38. The master of creativity De Bruyne did and always does.

Modric is a holding mid with no FUCKING obligations after recovering the ball to repeat the run towards the post and drible the oposition since he has others to do that? I mean this is getting more stupid than ever.

 

[soul24rage]

Pressing is important in modern football, but just because you can press well does not mean you shouldn't disregard the on-ball-ability.

On the ball, Messi is the best at it and he would be one of the very few exceptions that the team can build around without the need for him to press intensely. The board should have realized that post 2017, Suarez and Messi can't play together but since it's Bartomeu, it's not a surprise.

Scaloni realized this and built a young team who works for and with Messi. Even then, Messi passively presses the LCB so it also cuts the passing lane for that player

 

[Fati_Future_BallonDor]

35 titles , 7 ballon d'ors , 941 g+a in 778 apps for the club

If he doesn't receive vip boxes for his family , on top of his salary from the club , that says a lot about the club's attitude towards the best player that ever was here.

Individually Messi did well at Barca but for ucl titles he wasnt important, Barca won it every time when we were the best team in the world anyways (also without Messi). When Barca was very good but not the best team in the world Messi couldnt make a difference in important games 🤔

 

[soul24rage]

Individually Messi did well at Barca but for ucl titles he wasnt important, Barca won it every time when we were the best team in the world anyways (also without Messi). When Barca was very good but not the best team in the world Messi couldnt make a difference in important games 🤔

Stop trolling.

 

[DonAK]

Damn @M3ls why so mad bro

Unlike you I don’t go around and call people for monkeys if they don’t rate Ferran Torres.


Calma before I send your location to Putin.

 

[CatalinR10]

Piece of meat, problems in Leo’s game without the ball began back in the 2011-2012 season. Don’t tell me about age, Modric defended at 25, 30, 35 and 38. The master of creativity De Bruyne did and always does.

You're comparing Messi with a guy who has one of the best engine in recent times, good job chief.

Go put Modric or De Bruyne or anyother to have the same playstyle as Messi did from his teen years towards 30. Get the ball at half line or far away from the goal and sprint with it towards the goal through dribbles or fast 1-2 passing while also getting chopped down by players. Make them play like this and see how their legs are approaching 30's. He put all his energy on the offensive duties , are you too dumb to understand ? Defending and putting such offensive numbers season after season doesn't exist you dumb fuck.

This guy thinks that this style of play is easily doable and on top of that , after all the offensive stats you put in the game , you also have to defend.

Fucking lmao ,

Good job , you truly are the Einstein of football .

 

[M3ls]

Modric is a holding mid with no FUCKING obligations after recovering the ball to repeat the run towards the post and drible the oposition since he has others to do that? I mean this is getting more stupid than ever.

Firstly, Modric is not a defensive midfielder.

Secondly, are you really reducing Modric's entire game to just tackling?

 

[CatalinR10]

Individually Messi did well at Barca but for ucl titles he wasnt important, Barca won it every time when we were the best team in the world anyways (also without Messi). When Barca was very good but not the best team in the world Messi couldnt make a difference in important games 🤔

Stop with the dumb trolling chief or you're gone from here as well .

 

[companyofcules]

This is a total farce. Messi do press when his press is usefull. Pressing for players that can't run, can't hold the ball, can't win headers is like pumping blood in a body blown out by a cannon and hopping you can save him. That is the insanity of the argument, total brainless argument.

 

[M3ls]

Damn @M3ls why so mad bro

Unlike you I don’t go around and call people for monkeys if they don’t rate Ferran Torres.


Calma before I send your location to Putin.

So are you going to tell us how cool Semedo is?

I call clowns like you monkeys who, in the absence of any arguments, repeat over and over again that I highly appreciated and continue to appreciate Torres.

 

[M3ls]

Pressing is important in modern football, but just because you can press well does not mean you shouldn't disregard the on-ball-ability.

On the ball, Messi is the best at it and he would be one of the very few exceptions that the team can build around without the need for him to press intensely. The board should have realized that post 2017, Suarez and Messi can't play together but since it's Bartomeu, it's not a surprise.

Scaloni realized this and built a young team who works for and with Messi. Even then, Messi passively presses the LCB so it also cuts the passing lane for that player

I don't ignore possession of the ball.

In modern football you have to be good on the ball and work without the ball.

Football has changed a lot over the last 10-12 years. You must take this into account.
Everyone attacks and everyone defends. These are the principles that Cruyff instilled in this club.

 

[M3ls]

You're comparing Messi with a guy who has one of the best engine in recent times, good job chief.

Go put Modric or De Bruyne or anyother to have the same playstyle as Messi did from his teen years towards 30. Get the ball at half line or far away from the goal and sprint with it towards the goal through dribbles or fast 1-2 passing while also getting chopped down by players. Make them play like this and see how their legs are approaching 30's. He put all his energy on the offensive duties , are you too dumb to understand ? Defending and putting such offensive numbers season after season doesn't exist you dumb fuck.

This guy thinks that this style of play is easily doable and on top of that , after all the offensive stats you put in the game , you also have to defend.

Fucking lmao ,

Good job , you truly are the Einstein of football .

I'm not saying that Messi should work without the ball as much as a conventional Modric or Valverde, no.

But I demand at least 50% of their work.

It's simple.

 

[companyofcules]

Firstly, Modric is not a defensive midfielder.

Secondly, are you really reducing Modric's entire game to just tackling?

Modric is a fucking holding mid or a classical mid, neither too defensive nor too offensive. The job of a midfilder is to control the game either by Holding the ball (as FDJ does) passing or defending, the job of attackers is to attack and use the balls provided and cover some spaces. In any team the main man is not put to cover for the inability of the defense to defend.
Modric can attack(because I already told you Real had players that won 1v1, so of course you can do things if the team is killing in most of the 1 v 1) but it was not his prime role, he had Isco, James, Bale, Cr7, Benzema and a tone fuck of others after them. Your comparison is useless. Modric needs to defend even at 50, is his role to defend, not his main role, but not some auxiliary role. Is part of the job.
Only IM and FCB is clowning with Busquets as holding mid in the place of a real DM