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Paganinisrvnge
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It baffles me that Liverpool continue to overpay for mediocre English players time and time again. They've spent so much money on Adam, Carroll, Henderson, Downing, etc. and now Sturridge. Do they not scout outside the EPL?
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Sir Alupp Heynrguson
What really sucks is that they can't even get the good English players, i.e. Rooney, Wilshere, Ox, Baines, Cole, no, they have to go for freaking Caroll. Quite embarrassing really.
AnfieldEd
I am Leg End
What is becoming apparent (at least for me) is that the manager has only one way of playing and setting up the team. If it's not working then Plan B is more of the same. It's the most common fault Swansea fans were pointing out, both last season and even more this season, once they had started to see the alternatives that Laudrup had introduced.
With the possible exception of AVB, all the managers of the teams of those players mentioned above belong, have one thing in common - experience.
Coaching is one thing. Orchestrating a match, setting up a team, evolving tactics and playing methods during a game, if needed are all totally different to coaching. Training sessions only teach so much. Match play is different.
What we are seeing is the lack of managerial experience. That's not meant as criticism. It's merely fact.
Pulis' experience showed yesterday.
A more experienced manager, confident in his proven ability and track record would probably not have bought 'familiar faces' in the Summer. He would have indentified the team's needs and bought accordingly.
I don't blame Rodgers for this. I don't blame him jumping at the chance to manage Liverpool FC. I admire him, despite what amounts to one full season in the Championship, one full season in the Premiership and a couple of cameos for Reading and Watford, for leaving what would be a good, safe place of learning at Swansea, to take one of the biggest and certainly hardest jobs in football.
He had a great base already laid by Martinez and Sousa to build on. They got plaudits (rightly so as a newly promoted team) for 'trying' to 'play the right way'. He showed nerve to play that way. Again he deserves plaudits for bravery, if not pragmatism.
He needs to understand that philosophies are a good thing, but they are a guide only. Having standards you aspire to are good, but every principle, philosophy, standard, belief, aspiration, must be tempered by reality, and be controlled and kept real by pragmatism.
We have improved points wise from where we finished last season. His starting point was lower than that of Hodgson's, lower than that of Dalglish's caretaker stint (ironically down to Dalglish), but that just goes to show the gravity of the job and therefore a job of that size is probably better given to an experienced man, rather than a very enthusiastic novice.
So for me the ultimate blame lies firmly at the door of the owners.
Rodgers can be blamed for things he has control of, but I'm not surprised in the least that he makes them. They're down to inexperienced. Inexperience, that isn't allowing him to by guided by pragmatism and hard reality.
He isn't to blame for the root cause of his mistakes - inexperience.
Just as our youngsters are making mistakes, Rodgers is the managerial equivalent of Sterling, Suso, Shelvey etc.
Just as they shouldn't be exposed to this level yet to the degree they have been, neither should Rodgers.
We're into 'blind hope' territory. And it's damn hard if you're the kind that needs your hope to have some tangible basis.
With the possible exception of AVB, all the managers of the teams of those players mentioned above belong, have one thing in common - experience.
Coaching is one thing. Orchestrating a match, setting up a team, evolving tactics and playing methods during a game, if needed are all totally different to coaching. Training sessions only teach so much. Match play is different.
What we are seeing is the lack of managerial experience. That's not meant as criticism. It's merely fact.
Pulis' experience showed yesterday.
A more experienced manager, confident in his proven ability and track record would probably not have bought 'familiar faces' in the Summer. He would have indentified the team's needs and bought accordingly.
I don't blame Rodgers for this. I don't blame him jumping at the chance to manage Liverpool FC. I admire him, despite what amounts to one full season in the Championship, one full season in the Premiership and a couple of cameos for Reading and Watford, for leaving what would be a good, safe place of learning at Swansea, to take one of the biggest and certainly hardest jobs in football.
He had a great base already laid by Martinez and Sousa to build on. They got plaudits (rightly so as a newly promoted team) for 'trying' to 'play the right way'. He showed nerve to play that way. Again he deserves plaudits for bravery, if not pragmatism.
He needs to understand that philosophies are a good thing, but they are a guide only. Having standards you aspire to are good, but every principle, philosophy, standard, belief, aspiration, must be tempered by reality, and be controlled and kept real by pragmatism.
We have improved points wise from where we finished last season. His starting point was lower than that of Hodgson's, lower than that of Dalglish's caretaker stint (ironically down to Dalglish), but that just goes to show the gravity of the job and therefore a job of that size is probably better given to an experienced man, rather than a very enthusiastic novice.
So for me the ultimate blame lies firmly at the door of the owners.
Rodgers can be blamed for things he has control of, but I'm not surprised in the least that he makes them. They're down to inexperienced. Inexperience, that isn't allowing him to by guided by pragmatism and hard reality.
He isn't to blame for the root cause of his mistakes - inexperience.
Just as our youngsters are making mistakes, Rodgers is the managerial equivalent of Sterling, Suso, Shelvey etc.
Just as they shouldn't be exposed to this level yet to the degree they have been, neither should Rodgers.
We're into 'blind hope' territory. And it's damn hard if you're the kind that needs your hope to have some tangible basis.
Raed
Dr. Raed St. Claire
It really is simple. Rodgers isn't going to jump the wagon everytime things go bad, he will keep using his plan A until it works, and it will work with practice and exposure to it. The team has to try it, over and over again. The margin in the football world is tiny, yes, but there is no way around it. You either duck every bullet and survive, or you take one in the chest. There is no way in hell Rodgers is going to be 'dynamic', not so early anyway. The players are garbage, any other manager would resort to football ten times worse and probably get fuck all results as well.
You can't just blame inexperience of the manager because while he might be or he might not be, the players need to learn the system, and they can only do that by repeating it. When things go bad, and they don't know how to fix it using Plan A, because they don't even know Plan A well enough, then Plan B is going to be just as bad. You cannot have one foot forward and one foot back, you won't go anywhere.
You can't just blame inexperience of the manager because while he might be or he might not be, the players need to learn the system, and they can only do that by repeating it. When things go bad, and they don't know how to fix it using Plan A, because they don't even know Plan A well enough, then Plan B is going to be just as bad. You cannot have one foot forward and one foot back, you won't go anywhere.
GiantKiller
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Agree with Raed. I won't come to any conclusion yet regarding BRs' capability as a manager and whether he's the right man to take the club back to where it used to be. Not unless he works with a squad that's better than what he has currently.
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Sir Alupp Heynrguson
I think Liverpool and its fans need to be patient, Barcelona certainly didn't have instant success with their style, it took years and years to reach the understanding our players now have. However, the result is absolutely incredible. What Brendan needs is to send out scouts to where there are actually a lot of young, talented players and recruit them. Brazil has a plethora of youngsters in its leagues, Spain has a lot of "unknown" players who are quite talented, and Germany also has quite a good amount of talent (though I don't follow German football). I would look for a young striker to partner Suarez, someone good with possession type football, and an experienced (say, 25-year old) midfielder or two to help the youngsters. Iago Aspas would be good for Liverpool, and probably wouldn't be too expensive. An additional interesting option could be going for Cuenca; he won't be overplayed, due to Sterling and Suso, but he'll get plenty of time rotating with them.
For the striker options, I'm not sure. Villa would obviously be excellent, but I'm sure Barca wouldn't be willing to give him up. An interesting option would be the young Rodrigo Moreno (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_Moreno_Machado), who has 38 goals in 47 appearances for Benfica. Leandro Damio would be excellent as well, but would not come cheap for Liverpool whatsoever.
For the striker options, I'm not sure. Villa would obviously be excellent, but I'm sure Barca wouldn't be willing to give him up. An interesting option would be the young Rodrigo Moreno (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_Moreno_Machado), who has 38 goals in 47 appearances for Benfica. Leandro Damio would be excellent as well, but would not come cheap for Liverpool whatsoever.
ammarfcb
ze special one
shit owners hire British managers sign shit english players.
when that chain is broken liverpool will be big again. especially the owners.
seems like they don't even look. i discuss making big signings with other pool fans and they always like 'but this player will need big wages' well it's better spendind 200k a week on a decent player than throwing in the bin that is joecole+downing
Have you not seen some of their transfers for the past 10 years?
wouldn't say it's all 10 years i mean we did buy torres-alonso for 30m and sold for 80m. even though selling them was a mistake. under rafa we weren't bad and i'm sure with a rafa still around we would have acquired one of the spanish epl players mata,silva etc
La Furia
Legion of Doooom
When will Pro Vercelli be big again? Having historical success doesn't guarantee future success.
Since the last time Liverpool has won a league title, the following sides in England, Spain, Italy, Germany and France have won league titles:
Manchester United
Manchester City
Chelsea
Arsenal
Blackburn Rovers
Barcelona
Real Madrid
Atlético Madrid
Valencia
Deportivo La Coruña
Juventus
Milan
Internazionale
Sampdoria
Lazio
Roma
Bayern Munich
Kaiserslautern
Stuttgart
Werder Bremen
Borussia Dortmund
Wolfsburg
Marseille
Lyon
Paris Saint-Germain
Nantes
Auxerre
Monaco
Bordeaux
Nantes
Lille
Montpellier
Eventually you got to move on. The game has passed Liverpool by.
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Yep, it really has. Liverpool actually had the chance to get into contention again when they came into some money which coincided with the decline of Arsenal and Man Utd, and the seeming disinterest of Roman at Chelsea. But they blew it, they wasted near every penny of that money and that opening has now passed. Now there is nothing about this club that indicates it is anything but a mid-table outfit, and nothing on the horizon to suggest it will be anything more than that for a long time to come.
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