Lucho vs tata tactically

[Gasgas]

Here yoou can argue all about these two coaches

 

[KingMessi]

Thanks Gasgas for creating this thread.

 

[pacp_96]

Thanks Gasgas for creating this thread.

+1

It will definitely come in useful.

 

[Gasgas]

You're welcome.

Personally i think with better players and support, tata is better

 

[Cule4life]

Tata with better players and no Xavi interference>lucho

 

[instinct]

Lucho

 

[KingMessi]

Tata with better players and no Xavi interference>lucho

We don't even know for sure whether Xavi actually interfered.

 

[Cule4life]

We don't even know for sure whether Xavi actually interfered.

There's a good chance it's true. Anyway something did happen after the rayo game. Tata abandoned his tactics and went back to pass pass pass

 

[Ursegor]

Nothing happened. The "pre Rayo" and "post Rayo" thing itself is a big myth. No idea why people still spout that bullshit. Barca played against Rayo in the exact same manner as the year before under Tito. The possession difference was a whooping 1.8 %.

Tito: http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/633758/Live
Tata: http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/738511/Live

With a different method of counting possession stats it just happened to narrowly fall below the 50 % mark under Tata which created the perception of Tata playing a completely different system. When in reality it was a standard textbook approach against crazy pressing teams on a potatoe field => hoof it (same happened in the Calderon this season in the 1st half). Even the long ball stats were almost identical in that fixture between Tata and Tito. 68 long balls under Tito. 73 under Tata.

 

[D10S_JC]

Tata's tactic = crossing

 

[Jägermeister]

Tata would have been happy with the game yesterday (someone said 48 crosses?!).

 

[JamDav1982]

Tata would have been happy with the game yesterday (someone said 48 crosses?!).

I am pretty sure the stats showed that the likes of Alves actually hit MORE crosses under Tito and Pep than he has the past season and a half.

 

[DrPepper]

Nothing happened. The "pre Rayo" and "post Rayo" thing itself is a big myth. No idea why people still spout that bullshit. Barca played against Rayo in the exact same manner as the year before under Tito. The possession difference was a whooping 1.8 %.

More like 9,2%.

I am pretty sure the stats showed that the likes of Alves actually hit MORE crosses under Tito and Pep than he has the past season and a half.

Not exactly.

Alves crosses per 90 mins in La Liga:

2014/15: 7,2 (1,4 successful; 19,4%)
2013/14: 6,1 (1,2 successful; 19,7%)
2012/13: 6,5 (1,7 successful; 26,2%)
2011/12: 4,1 (1,2 successful; 29,3%)
2010/11: 5,2 (1,1 successful; 21,2%)
2009/10: 6,9 (1,6 successful; 23,2%)

Obviously always depends on how and where he crossed. Under Guardiola he hit fewer crosses than in later years but his assists numbers were much higher in comparison (10, 15, 11 to 6, 3, 2). No stats for 08/09 unfortunately.

 

[Ursegor]

More like 9,2%.

This is what happens when you're used to Barca being the team with 50+ % possession. The point remains the same anyhow. The possession stats in Vallecano were already at 55 % under Tito.

 

[Gasgas]

Tata wins this one