Luis Enrique

Fibonacci

New member
This Bielsa obsession is ridiculous. Do people have a clue?

Yes, we're struggling, but as Pep said, things take time. And we're still close to the top in LaLiga and almost certain to get through the group stages in UCL.
 

KingMessi

SiempreBlaugrana
Bielsa would eventually run the players into the ground and destroy our season like he did to Athletic a couple years ago. The man is just too crazy.
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
This Bielsa obsession is ridiculous. Do people have a clue?

Yes, we're struggling, but as Pep said, things take time. And we're still close to the top in LaLiga and almost certain to get through the group stages in UCL.

Things may take time and should be given time if you have a system in place. Luis Enrique unfortunately so far does not. With games against Sevilla and Valencia coming up and Real Madrid in great form, there is no room for error so he would need to change up things and learn from his mistakes soon if we are to compete for the LL crown this season.
 

rixxer

New member
Things may take time and should be given time if you have a system in place. Luis Enrique unfortunately so far does not. With games against Sevilla and Valencia coming up and Real Madrid in great form, there is no room for error so he would need to change up things and learn from his mistakes soon if we are to compete for the LL crown this season.

It is one thing to criticize Lucho, fair enough. But people in here are really in the sacking mode (immediately!) and that would be ridiculous. Really, how many coaches it will make after Pep. A coach per year? In that case, we would really turn into Chelski mode after Mou.
Valencia and Sevilla are crucial, they really are.
I still think that Lucho has it what it requires to be success at least in transition. but we (meaning this forum and other fans) won't have a patience for that anymore. We just want everything right here right now, good results with faultless performance, total control and unpredictibility.
Yeah, there are clearly tactical mistakes,there is confusion on the field, but i really do not believe Lucho has lost the dressing room.
in my opinion, the transition has just started, Tata was not allowed to start it, at least Lucho has a mandate to do this, but the plug may be pulled out too soon, especially by us, because there is no patience anynore in nowadays elite football.
 

footyfan

Calma, calma
Rebuild? Haha, OK. We have an half-arsed Alves on RB who seems to suffer from the cross-disease and who practically doesn't defend and his backup is Mon-Idon'tgetanyminutes-toya, Doug-whoisthisguy-las and Adriano who is an LB and sidelined because of injures 50% of his time here. Than we have Sergio as backup for CM, no comment. Rafinha who was supposed to be a CM, but he's actually just a relegation-team AM and can't dictate the tempo at-freaking-all. Raki? Raki is alright, for Sevilla, Tottenham, Valencia, Villarreal, Roma and so on - but Barca, no way. Him and Iniesta running our midfield after Xavi leaves? Are you on crack? Raki's first touch, technique, passing, (quick) decision making, getting out of difficult situations, dribbling etc - he's a couple of steps behind in every department to be a midfielder for a top team. People just blaming tactics as to why Raki doesn't perform are, sry, clueless. Mathieu is also average, he's an LB who can't really play on LB (yes, he was heavily criticised after the RM game) and a disaster waiting to happen on CB against any half-decent team. Vermaelen? Ha ha! The only good thing we did was bringing in Ter Stegen and Suarez is showing promise (until he bites, kicks, punches or says something racist again).

It's also amazing how we went from a team that was famed for our impeccable and super-creative midfield to having no midfield at all. Where is our midfield Lucho, you clueless you? Almost every freaking time we have the ball our midfielders run and hug the sidelines and 1 of 2 things happens: 1. Messi drops down and doesn't get any support, everybody just stands there like paralyzed and just watches what Messi might come up with, Messi loses the ball and the other team counters through the middle while our midfield is in a parallel universe leaving us with Waka Waka as our last outpost - insane! 2. Cross to one of our wingers who are isolated without any support and they lose the ball. Well wo-fu****g-ho! That's some great mastermind-tactics right there! AND, if those 2 mastermind tactics fail, which they obviously do, than Alves starts throwing in crosses to a non-existent #9 because Lucho just found out the other day that it actually might be a good idea to play Suarez more centrally.

I was at work and had some time of to watch the match, but f*ck me I had to turn it off after the first half. I almost did the same in the Ajax match. This really sucks, he is clueless. I just hope he can take us through in CL, than I want a new coach if nothing fantastic happens' - but I doubt it, he just doesn't have what it takes.


How hard would it be to instruct him not to cross 1789 times per game, to stay back just a little and go forward when the opportunity is there? How much of the instruction would Alves understand and follow? What's more, if we had a Mandzukic kind of player ready in the box at all times I would at least understand, BUT WE ALMOST NEVER HAVE ANYBODY IN THE BOX YOU A**!!! I mean, Alba doesn't cross every ***** single time he is presented with the opportunity - Alba tries to cut in, using 1-2's, and give a pass to somebody in a good position. Why can't Alves do the same? He used to do it...

I didn't notice, really? Really? Really? Maybe we need to send him to an optician and than to a shrink. If he keeps crossing without Suarez playing, or if Suarez is playing but is far away from receiving the cross - and than suddenly stops when Suarez is playing centrally or if he's in position - than that settles it, he lost his mind.


Damn ZenI, you're so in form right now you could probably bench Ronaldo.
 

Barcilliant

Senior Member
Rijkaard as caretaker manager would be VERY interesting. He left the club under a cloud but really it was the disruptive influences of Deco, Ronaldinho that led to his demise.

He knows the club very well and would have a clear plan on how to play.
 

pacp_96

Chief Of Footballing Matters
It is one thing to criticize Lucho, fair enough. But people in here are really in the sacking mode (immediately!) and that would be ridiculous. Really, how many coaches it will make after Pep. A coach per year? In that case, we would really turn into Chelski mode after Mou.
Valencia and Sevilla are crucial, they really are.
I still think that Lucho has it what it requires to be success at least in transition. but we (meaning this forum and other fans) won't have a patience for that anymore. We just want everything right here right now, good results with faultless performance, total control and unpredictibility.
Yeah, there are clearly tactical mistakes,there is confusion on the field, but i really do not believe Lucho has lost the dressing room.
in my opinion, the transition has just started, Tata was not allowed to start it, at least Lucho has a mandate to do this, but the plug may be pulled out too soon, especially by us, because there is no patience anynore in nowadays elite football.

100% agree. :goodpost:

We are in danger of adopting the Chelsea model. It will be a sad day when that happens.
 

gatsu

New member
Our situation is not comparable with the blues, since Pep's departure we haven't been able to choose a true successor, Tito because of his illness had never played the role of a coach and Tata and Lucho are second rate manager with no notable achievements.

we had 3 different coaches because of our clueless direction, a good choice was never made.
 
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instinct

Guest
I think results are secondary at the moment, at least for me. Of course I want the team to win every game and to win every trophy but I don't think that everyone is angry because we lost against Real and Vigo. This is just the tip on the iceberg.

It's about enjoying this team. Football is about enjoying and having fun. Neither the fans nor the players seem to have fun at the moment. A big problem is that our players only have enjoy playing when our opponent makes it relatively easy for us. If an opponent parks the bus, there is zero confidence, zero creativity and zero team-play at the moment. We have the world's best footballers in our squad but we still can't enjoy them. Even after we win (e.g against Ajax) everyone complains. It's like every good moment is overshadowed by the bad moments which unfortunately become more and more.

The game vs Milan was the last time I really enjoyed every single minute. The atmosphere, the desire of every single player, Messi's ridiculous form and simply the big middle finger to the international press who wrote us off. Since then some matches were good, some were ok, but most were like ''yeah, 3 points. I'm going to sleep now.''

I want to have the feeling back that we build something, that we're united, that we fight for every centimetre on the pitch. This is what I want. I could care less about a loss vs Real Madrid or Celta Vigo because losses happen in football but I want to see a plan and a direction where things are going.

There is no atmosphere in the Camp Nou. It seems like most fans take wins for granted. Would we support our team if it was at place 18 in the table? BVB fans did that yesterday and they won the match because of their unbelievable support.

It's really sad but I'm not looking forward to any match like I did a few years ago because it's always the same procedure: Opponent parks the bus - we have problems - we score in the 70th minute - we score the winner and everyone goes home. It's annoying and it's certainly not the beautiful thing I fell in love with a few years ago.
 

ZenI

Professor Balthazar
I think results are secondary at the moment, at least for me. Of course I want the team to win every game and to win every trophy but I don't think that everyone is angry because we lost against Real and Vigo. This is just the tip on the iceberg.

It's about enjoying this team. Football is about enjoying and having fun. Neither the fans nor the players seem to have fun at the moment. A big problem is that our players only have enjoy playing when our opponent makes it relatively easy for us. If an opponent parks the bus, there is zero confidence, zero creativity and zero team-play at the moment. We have the world's best footballers in our squad but we still can't enjoy them. Even after we win (e.g against Ajax) everyone complains. It's like every good moment is overshadowed by the bad moments which unfortunately become more and more.

The game vs Milan was the last time I really enjoyed every single minute. The atmosphere, the desire of every single player, Messi's ridiculous form and simply the big middle finger to the international press who wrote us off. Since then some matches were good, some were ok, but most were like ''yeah, 3 points. I'm going to sleep now.''

I want to have the feeling back that we build something, that we're united, that we fight for every centimetre on the pitch. This is what I want. I could care less about a loss vs Real Madrid or Celta Vigo because losses happen in football but I want to see a plan and a direction where things are going.

There is no atmosphere in the Camp Nou. It seems like most fans take wins for granted. Would we support our team if it was at place 18 in the table? BVB fans did that yesterday and they won the match because of their unbelievable support.

It's really sad but I'm not looking forward to any match like I did a few years ago because it's always the same procedure: Opponent parks the bus - we have problems - we score in the 70th minute - we score the winner and everyone goes home. It's annoying and it's certainly not the beautiful thing I fell in love with a few years ago.

I agree with some things. I definitively don't enjoy watching Barca as much as I did 2 seasons ago. We look disjointed, without a clear plan, without helping each other out, without hunger and with several players going through rough times and several others who should not even be on the team. Lucho was supposed to be our saviour, but how? He was crap in Roma tbh and only OK with Celta - how on earth would he turn into a world-class coach all of a sudden? Some of you might say "but Pep practically didn't have any experience at all". Yes, indeed he didn't - but it was pretty clear after half a season that he was special. Lucho? Not special, not OK, not even below average - he just sucks. We can blame our board and our transfers the last 2-3 years, and we should. But at the same time, LOOK AT OUR TEAM! Messi, Neymar, Iniesta, Xavi, Mascherano, Alba and now Suarez ffs! (I don't count Alves, Waka Waka and Raki in, they've pissed me of lately). Like I've said before, I honestly think these players would do better without ANYBODY telling them what to do than with Lucho's "coaching" at the moment.
 

ZenI

Professor Balthazar
It is one thing to criticize Lucho, fair enough. But people in here are really in the sacking mode (immediately!) and that would be ridiculous. Really, how many coaches it will make after Pep. A coach per year? In that case, we would really turn into Chelski mode after Mou.
Valencia and Sevilla are crucial, they really are.
I still think that Lucho has it what it requires to be success at least in transition. but we (meaning this forum and other fans) won't have a patience for that anymore. We just want everything right here right now, good results with faultless performance, total control and unpredictibility.
Yeah, there are clearly tactical mistakes,there is confusion on the field, but i really do not believe Lucho has lost the dressing room.
in my opinion, the transition has just started, Tata was not allowed to start it, at least Lucho has a mandate to do this, but the plug may be pulled out too soon, especially by us, because there is no patience anynore in nowadays elite football.

I disagree. I don't see any improvements from Lucho over any of our coaches since Pep left, nothing, nada. Our midfield is non-existent, what midfield? There is no pressing, play is slow as hell, our players just pass the ball and stand ****** still and watches their teammate lose the ball, no combinations, no 1-2's, every team we play look deadly on counters, we don't even have possession anymore! POSSESSION ffs, do you guys and girls remember we used to complain that we had like 70% possession and only managed to win by 2 goals? "Pfft" you were saying, "so boring with all this possession". Now I miss those times, and you also probably. We can't string 5 passes together! Go look at some old games from the Pep era and compare them to the Ajax game and than tell me to "have patience, Lucho needs more time" - he doesn't, he needs less time, much less.
 
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Flavia

Guest
11 different starting 11 for the league, so far:

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Bertus

New member
It's really sad but I'm not looking forward to any match like I did a few years ago because it's always the same procedure: Opponent parks the bus - we have problems - we score in the 70th minute - we score the winner and everyone goes home. It's annoying and it's certainly not the beautiful thing I fell in love with a few years ago.

Teams also park the bus a lot against RM, yet that doesn't stop Carlo's army to provide spectacular football.

I wanted to comment on that because in France that's the usual excuse that PSG fans use when PSG plays like crap: "Other teams park the bus so they can't play beautiful football".

I think teams like RM or Bayern prove that it's not true.

When there is a clear tactic, when the coach studied a lot how to break an opponent, a lot of time parking the bus fails and we're back to spectacular football.

If a team struggles against another that parks the bus, it means the former just failed breaking the defensive tactic that the latter uses.

I think Pep and Carlo are quite good at breaking opponents that try to park a bus because players know what to do on the pitch thanks to their coaches.
 
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