Malcom

[messi2140]

Just waiting for a confirmatioin from Bulgroz if Malcom was hardworker in Ligue 1. If he is , then that bullshit argument that Valverde doesnt play Malcom for 'muh' tactical reasons goes out the window. And my argument that Malcom isn't playing simply because he wanted Wilian has more evidence behind it. (But hey just call something you don't agree with tinfoil hat theory while acting like a prick and somehow that makes the argument invalid )

 

[Trickykid]

Just waiting for a confirmatioin from Bulgroz if Malcom was hardworker in Ligue 1. If he is , then that bullshit argument that Valverde doesnt play Malcom for 'muh' tactical reasons goes out the window. And my argument that Malcom isn't playing simply because he wanted Wilian has more evidence behind it. (But hey just call something you don't agree with tinfoil hat theory while acting like a prick and somehow that makes the argument invalid )

Yeah, because if he is a hard worker then it must equal that EV hates him because he didn't get Willian. Holy shit you're a fucking moron.

 

[Cule4life]

Guys you know the drill- Valverde is a perfect manager who is never wrong. He sees the players in training that's why Malcom is never played. Just look at how he played Gomes all the time cos he saw him in training. (yes BBZ i'll mention him as long as you keep eulogizing Valverde)

And yes Malcom must be a terrible player to not get minutes at all. The fact that players like Vidal also barely get minutes is just a coincidence. The Willian rumours are also just smoke, there's no fire there. There's no other explanation cos the manager who brought on Gomes against Roma, doesn't use subs, defends 1-0 leads against bottom half teams and overplays senior players can never be wrong.

 

[Messigician]

Put Malcom in the reserves until he shows some passion and complains. Dead serious I think the guy came here chasing a paycheque while we just wanted to get one over for Roma.

 

[George_Costanza]

Valverde had good things to say about Malcom after pre season and then completely froze him out. Valverde sends the wrong messages to players all the time.

Actually, he hinted he won't play him from the beginning, even when the kid had a good pre-season.

“We’ve been following him for a while and know him. He can definitely help the team,” he said on Friday. “But (making the starting 11) obviously depends on a day-to-day basis and coach’s decision.”

“Playing in Barcelona isn’t easy. The demands are really high on this club. We understand we always have to win and we also have to play well.”

 

[BBZ8800]

Just waiting for a confirmatioin from Bulgroz if Malcom was hardworker in Ligue 1. If he is , then that bullshit argument that Valverde doesnt play Malcom for 'muh' tactical reasons goes out the window. And my argument that Malcom isn't playing simply because he wanted Wilian has more evidence behind it. (But hey just call something you don't agree with tinfoil hat theory while acting like a prick and somehow that makes the argument invalid )

Lel.
What about a simple option:
1. Ev wanted Willian, a proven world class player
2. We bought a young kid from a farmer's league
3. Malcom is a hardworker
4. Malcom skills are not good enough for Barca

I mean, it is not as if we bought Mo Salah and not playing him.
We bought a player from Bordeaux, who is not an NT player and who had good games only in a farmer's league.
Whenever he played for us, he looked like the Rakitic-slow for a winger with average dribbles for Barca's level.

You guys have a theory and a remark for everything except for the most obvious option=Barca gambled on Malcom, but when we have seen him on training grounds, we figured out that it was a mistake.

I mean, we paid 145m for Dembele who plays like a clown.
If his 145m is a mistake, overrated and not justified, is it so hard to imagine that Malcom could actually be a 15-20m average winger, with overpriced transfer, who for some reason ended at Barcelona.

Further, nobody except French fans have seen him play.
So, nobody knows whether he was that good or just average in a French league.
Further, he never played against tougher opponents.
There are so many unknowns about his quality.
When you add how low a percentage is for foreign kids to make it at Barca.
And when you look at how he played in 5 matches till now, the answer is quite simple: he is the most probably not on Barca's level.

Further, some guys are talking about bad man management.
It is good.
Who is not playing?
Only the worst players in our team like Samper, Denis, Rafinha, Malcom, Miranda, Verm, Cillessen, Munir.
Or guys who don't fit Ev's tactics like Dembele and Malcom.

Ev has a bad man management only if you think that Malcom is Mo Salah.

Also, remember Mina.
People had similar posts like now in Malcom's topic.
Ev has seen him on training and he was probably the worst defender in our team and totally lost.

I still don't get it.
We bought an unknown player from a midtable French team, whom nobody knew till then.
And out of 2 options:
1. He is a hidden gem whom we have magically discovered and stolen
2. Or, he is an average player and other big teams didn't chase him for a reason

And now, after all which happened in these few Months, and after you have seen his skills on a field, still majority of you are blindly following an idea about a hidden gem whom a dumb coach is not recognizing.

Lol, so funny.
Such a madness.

There are almost zero objective indications that Malcom is good enough for Barcelona.

 

[Jombi]

Lel.
What about a simple option:
1. Ev wanted Willian, a proven world class player
2. We bought a young kid from a farmer's league
3. Malcom is a hardworker
4. Malcom skills are not good enough for Barca

I mean, it is not as if we bought Mo Salah and not playing him.
We bought a player from Bordeaux, who is not an NT player and who had good games only in a farmer's league.
Whenever he played for us, he looked like the Rakitic-slow for a winger with average dribbles for Barca's level.

You guys have a theory and a remark for everything except for the most obvious option=Barca gambled on Malcom, but when we have seen him on training grounds, we figured out that it was a mistake.

I mean, we paid 145m for Dembele who plays like a clown.
If his 145m is a mistake, overrated and not justified, is it so hard to imagine that Malcom could actually be a 15-20m average winger, with overpriced transfer, who for some reason ended at Barcelona.

Further, nobody except French fans have seen him play.
So, nobody knows whether he was that good or just average in a French league.
Further, he never played against tougher opponents.
There are so many unknowns about his quality.
When you add how low a percentage is for foreign kids to make it at Barca.
And when you look at how he played in 5 matches till now, the answer is quite simple: he is the most probably not on Barca's level.

Further, some guys are talking about bad man management.
It is good.
Who is not playing?
Only the worst players in our team like Samper, Denis, Rafinha, Malcom, Miranda, Verm, Cillessen, Munir.
Or guys who don't fit Ev's tactics like Dembele and Malcom.

Ev has a bad man management only if you think that Malcom is Mo Salah.

Also, remember Mina.
People had similar posts like now in Malcom's topic.
Ev has seen him on training and he was probably the worst defender in our team and totally lost.

I still don't get it.
We bought an unknown player from a midtable French team, whom nobody knew till then.
And out of 2 options:
1. He is a hidden gem whom we have magically discovered and stolen
2. Or, he is an average player and other big teams didn't chase him for a reason

And now, after all which happened in these few Months, and after you have seen his skills on a field, still majority of you are blindly following an idea about a hidden gem whom a dumb coach is not recognizing.

Lol, so funny.
Such a madness.

There are almost zero objective indications that Malcom is good enough for Barcelona.

Funny how you mock players from France, a top 5 league in Europe, when we have had a higher success rate with players from that league than probably any other league. Abidal, Yaya Toure, Umtiti all came from "the farmers league". I get it, you want the superstars and the old players, but the reality doesnt work that way. We cant afford it. Thats why we bought Arthur. Thats why Malcom was bought. Thats why 95% of the players Real Madrid sign are young players.

 

[BBZ8800]

Funny how you mock players from France, a top 5 league in Europe, when we have had a higher success rate with players from that league than probably any other league. Abidal, Yaya Toure, Umtiti all came from "the farmers league". I get it, you want the superstars and the old players, but the reality doesnt work that way. We cant afford it. Thats why we bought Arthur. Thats why Malcom was bought. Thats why 95% of the players Real Madrid sign are young players.

I don't think that France is a farmer's league.
I am actually trolling some of guys from our forum.

In Ney's topic when French guys post, a lot of us are saying: Psg this, Psg that, French league is a farmer's league, it is easy to score goals there, your clubs suck, blah blah.
And then, DOUBLE STANDARDS, when we have a kid who played in a midtable team from France, suddenly he is a certain gem, lol.
Even though he only played for a midtable team in a so call farmer's league.

If you get my point...

Guys you know the drill- Valverde is a perfect manager who is never wrong. He sees the players in training that's why Malcom is never played. Just look at how he played Gomes all the time cos he saw him in training. (yes BBZ i'll mention him as long as you keep eulogizing Valverde)

And yes Malcom must be a terrible player to not get minutes at all. The fact that players like Vidal also barely get minutes is just a coincidence. The Willian rumours are also just smoke, there's no fire there. There's no other explanation cos the manager who brought on Gomes against Roma, doesn't use subs, defends 1-0 leads against bottom half teams and overplays senior players can never be wrong.

Vidal was a 5th choice when Coutinho was a midfielder:
1. Busquets
2. Rakitic
3. Coutinho
4-5. Arthur/Vidal

Now when Coutinho is a forward, Dembele (and Malcom) have lost their places, and now Vidal is the 4th pick midfielder and thus he plays more:
1. Busquets
2. Rakitic
3. Arthur
4. Vidal

Have some of you guys signed a contract that logic and objectivity need to be removed once when you enter Barcaforum?

You are mentioning Gomes all the time.
As I have said, every coach (and fan) will make 4 good calls and 1 mistake.
Playing Gomes was his mistake.

On the other hand, "crazy" EV hasn't played:
1. Deulofeu
2. Paco
3. Denis
4. Arda
5. Samper
6. Mina
7. Digne
8. Cillessen
9. Miranda
10. Munir, Malcom this season

Now, when you remove emotions and hate towards EV, are these guys: the next Messi and Ronaldinho, or just of bunch who really weren't good enough for Barca, and they were inferior to other players whom we already have.
And even if you put Gomes on the list, that is like 1 mistake out of 11 players whom EV hasn't played too much.

So, if his ratio of judging our squad players was 10 out of 11 good till now (except Gomes), what do you think it is more likely:
1. that Malcom is among those 10 out 11 who aren't playing because they are not good for Barcelona's level
2. or: Malcom is THE SAME AS GOMES, Ev's horrible mistake

On the other hand, Gomes:
1. was an NT player when we bought him
2. he played in a bigger club than Malcom and played in Spain
3. other big clubs were after him (Real, Man Utd)

On the other hand, Malcom:
1. is not an NT player
2. hasn't played in Spain, or for any bigger teams
3. who was after him? Crappy Roma and crappy Inter. Psg, City, Bayern, Real were nowhere near our next-Salah gem.

I don't have anything against Malcom, but you are now forcing me to shit on him to bring back some balance with your crazy conspiracy theories.
He seems like a good guy, but 90% likely he is not good enough for Barca skills wise.

I mean, I have no idea how old are you guys, but in some moments I have a feeling as if you haven't been following football for too long.
So, you have never experienced that we bought a player and that a player is not playing too much for this or that reason?
Under Rijkaard we bough a 29 years old Cf Ezquerro from Bilbao who played 222 matches for Bilbao.
And a guy played 8 matches per season, a total of 24 matches in 3 years at Barca.
He had 1 cap for Spanish NT team, had tons of experience, and had 10 La liga seasons before Barca.
Was Rijkaard AN IDIOT for not giving him more chances, or Rijkaard thought that Ronaldinho, Etoo, Guily, Messi and Larsson were a better options in that moment?
Sack a dumb Rijkaard! This is a bad man management, right?

Or when Van Gaal bought his guys Litmanen and Ronald De Boer whom he coached for years in Ajax and with whom he won a Champions league in 1995.
Litmanen, the best Finnish player ever didn't play in the 2nd part of a season under Van Gaal, and when Van Gaal left, even the next coach Serra Ferrer, didn't give him a single minute in the next season.
Litmanen was a 29 years old guy, a key player in Ajax's CL win, and played 137 NT matches.
And a guy like him was "frozen" by 2 Barca's coaches.
Fire Van Gaal and Ferrer, right? They must be idiots. What kind of a man management is that?
And then, you have Van Gaals' reply about Litmanen:

Players count for nothing, the team is everything. I set more store by a player's character than by his on-field qualities, and particularly whether he is willing to give everything to the cause. There are some incredibly talented players who haven't got the character or the personality to suit my methods. Litmanen, for example, was a different player at Barca than he was at Ajax. You have to adapt to a new culture when you move to a different club, and not every player is able to do that.

Ronald De Boer was 29 when he was signed by Van Gaal, and they worked together successfully in Ajax for years.
And even though Litmaned and De Boer were awesome at Ajax, CL and in NT teams, they sucked for Barca.
De Boer had only 13 appearances in La liga that year and soon left a team.

Imagine that situation: Van Gaal brings 2 of his BEST players from his former team and then he doesn't play them at Barca because their level is obviously not good for Barca's, even though they are CL winners and key NT players.
I mean, just imagine if this was 1999' and if we had forum back then.
Those topics would look like: Van Gaal is such an idiot! What kind of a man management is that?
He brought players whom he requested and now he still isn't playing them.
Not to mention that Van Gaal bought 10s of players and then La Masia kids weren't getting their chances due to signings whom he wanted and then he didn't use them, lol.

I mean, guys like Song, Hleb, Zlatan, Mendieta, Riquelme, De Boer, Litmanen who were all world class players, either didn't fit here or sucked hard.
And they played for their NT teams and played for years in the best clubs in the world.
Or attackers like Simao Sabrosa, Quaresma, Saviola, Keirrison.

About Keirrison, was that a bad man management by Pep?
A guy hasn't played a minute at Barca.
Should we sack an idiot Pep, right?
His price in 2009 was 14M.
In today's market that would have been 30-40M.
More or less, the same as Malcom's transfer, if you get my point.
So, why do you guys think that Malcom is closer to a hidden gem whom a coach is not playing, than to classic failures like Deiberson, Sabrosa, Quaresma, Saviola, Keirrison and similar?

Also, in 90s we had a Brasilian Cf Sonny Anderson.
He was not good for us when we had Rivaldo, Kluivert and Lucho.
Later, Sonny scored 71 goals in 110 matches for Lyon and was an NT player in the days of Ronaldo, Rivaldo and Bebeto.

So, how come is it possible that Sonny Anderson had to leave:

And that this guy, Keirrison, hasn't played a single minute:

How come that those managers were good and smart (Pep, for example)?
And yet, when Malcom is not playing, let's kill a poor EV because he is not playing the next gen wizzard Malcom.

I mean, for everyone who watched Barca since 90s, we had 10-15 Malcoms in the last 20 years.
Some were not good in skills for Barca, some were too young, some weren't a good fit, some were bad professionals.
And more or less, NONE of them later in their career proved that we made a mistake for not keeping/playing them.
Out staff made a right decision every single time.

You guys act as if EV is alone in this.
As if he doesn't have assistants, other coaches, scouts and other people who also have eyes and 30-40 years of experience in a top level football.
I mean, we are Barca. We have 10-100 coaches around the club who are making decisions together.
For every future case of Mina, Malcom and Samper, if a coach and his staff are not playing them, there must be a very good reason for that.

And for the 100th time, a reply: but why did we buy him?
Well, he seemed like a good option.
If he'll make it=fine.
If he won't=we will resell him and try with 2-3 new kids next summer, as always.

You guys are always looking at new kids as "real deals" and as something certain.
It will be much easier for you if you'll look at the every single youth signing as: a lottery, an attempt, a gamble, a hit and miss transfer.

 

[Jombi]

I don't think that France is a farmer's league.
I am actually trolling some of guys from our forum.

You guys are always looking at new kids as "real deals" and as something certain.

I dont know who "you guys" is, as that is as irrelevant as bringing up transfers from 20 years ago. Please show us where I have said that "a new kid" (Malcom isnt a kid) is certain? Of course you cant, I have even stated that its meaningless to sign him as some sort of backup for Messi. All signings are gambles, thats true of Zlatan, Cesc, Hleb, Aleix Vidal, Arda or some other transfer we make. To call it "lottery" is way over the top. You want your superstars, but it doesnt work that way. Its unrealistic. You are living in a fantasy world. You bring up Salah, but Salah was in the stands for Chelsea when he was Malcom's age. Mourinho obviously didnt rate him. Does Roma see a new Salah in Malcom? Who knows, but he has no future for us the way we play now.

 

[serghei]

The irony of comparing Malcom with Salah, when Salah was exactly in the same position at Malcom's age the only difference being that he got to Roma where he really was trusted.

Dude, if anything Salah's career progress shows that some managers are absolutely shit at spotting and developing young talented players, while others have a gift with this. If Salah would've played under Valverde, he wouldn't have done shit, just like it happened under Mourinho, because Mourinho and Valverde have the same approach in regards to young players. Would still be a back-up bench player the same way Malcom is without much progress. And not because of tactics, but because playing young talent requires a risk that most managers aren't ballsy enough to accept when they have a safer alternative.

[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION] is one of those guys who think star players are somehow created outside the obvious environment which involves factors like: good trusting manager, great team spirit, rewarding environment where seniority (so called experience) doesn't get the nod in front of talent, hunger and performances.

Natural talent and genetics (minus some positions, like keeper - where you can't be top class if you have 1.7m, and some cases of players who are injury prone) plays a relatively small role in the formation of a player's career. What matters most is mentality and the correct management. One without the other doesn't work. We at Barcelona lack the correct management to form and promote young players in the first team in a coherent manner. Whatever young talent is brought through under Valverde is the undeniable gems like Arthur that play 2 games and shine right off the bat, basically not allowing their manager to bench them soon after (as Valverde will bench just about any young player who isn't crazy good instantly). Arthur basically is in a position now that he can't be left outside the first 11 because it makes the manager look like a dumb person.

Alena is a great example of amateuristic handling of young players. He is ready to play against 75% of the teams we face in La Liga. The time is now. Not next year, not the year after the next.

 

[BBZ8800]

I dont know who "you guys" is, as that is as irrelevant as bringing up transfers from 20 years ago. Please show us where I have said that "a new kid" (Malcom isnt a kid) is certain? Of course you cant, I have even stated that its meaningless to sign him as some sort of backup for Messi. All signings are gambles, thats true of Zlatan, Cesc, Hleb, Aleix Vidal, Arda or some other transfer we make. To call it "lottery" is way over the top. You want your superstars, but it doesnt work that way. Its unrealistic. You are living in a fantasy world. You bring up Salah, but Salah was in the stands for Chelsea when he was Malcom's age. Mourinho obviously didnt rate him. Does Roma see a new Salah in Malcom? Who knows, but he has no future for us the way we play now.

Does Roma see a new Salah in Malcom?

I'll start with this one.
I just don't get a mindset of some of you where you are always mentioning extreme examples and mistakes like De Bruyne and Salah.
There is always a story about a kid who played instruments in his basement, some manager discovered him and a kid earned millions.
And then some kids, watching that movie or reading that story will think: omg! I will try to do the same.
What the movies or a story usually don't tell is: there are 1000s or millions of other kids in their garage who have done exactly the same and never got famous due to 100s of reasons (they suck, they were unlucky, a manager didn't hear them).

Or when young 20 years old girls from all over the USA come to Los Angeles and hope that they will turn into movie stars.
3-4 of them will make it, other 100 000 will be forced to work as waitresses, or they will need to sleep with 10s of guys to appear for 20 seconds in some 800 dollars budget film, or they will end on drugs or in porn.

So, yes, of course, there is always THAT ONE guy, THAT ONE girl, but you need to take other numbers into the account.
I mean, you are mentioning how Roma made a mistake with Salah.
But you aren't mentioning how they bought 50 players in the last 3-4 seasons and probably made 48 mistakes.
So, in one moment, they hit the gem with Salah and ruined their chance.
And then they made 50 mistakes after Salah, trying to replicate it and find a new Salah.
And then, someone like you will in all future cases mention: but a guy XX could be the next Salah.
While the reality is that even in Roma's case, they have hit 1 Salah and 49 failures after that.
And for each of those 49 new failures, guys who were buying him thought: but maybe he will turn out to be a gem the same as Salah.
But none of them were.

So, there is nothing wrong with being optimistic.
But you also need to know the realistic odds.

So, yes. Malcom could be the same mistake as Salah or De Bruyne.
But chances for that (on a larger sample) are 1%, more or less.
So, imo, it is quite fair to say, if Barca is not playing Malcom:
1. there is 1% chance that he is the next Salah and that we are doing the same mistake
2. there is 9% chance that he is a good player, but EV hates him
3. there is 90% of chances that he is just not good enough for Barca

About the other part of a post, I want to buy superstars, but I have nothing against "lotteries" with kids like Malcom.
If I were in charge of Barca, I would also buy some Coutinhos and some Malcoms.
But, UNLIKE you, I would treat these kids as attempts and lotteries.
So, I would BUY them knowing that a chance that he will make it are like 10-20% at best.
And then, on training grounds and in some matches, we will make a fast assessment of his skills.
If he is worth more chances, he will get it.
If we assess that he is not worth it, no biggie. He will not play and we will buy 2-3 new kids in the next season.

And THIS is the problem. I have a feeling that a board and a coach are doing the same.
Malcom is a low risk gamble.
If he'll make it=awesome, we have hit a gem.
If he'll fail=we can always resell him for 25M, no biggie. We have lost only 15M and it was worth a shot.

Imo, majority of youa re too emotional and too attached to every single player.
While the board and a coach are handling that in a way colder, objective and a multi-billion-dollar-company way.

Like:
1. we will buy 2 kids for 30-40M
2. we will give them some chances and asses them on training grounds
a) if they seem to be very bad for our team, we won't give them ANY chances or only a few matches (Keirrison, Malcom, Deulofeu)
b) if they are 50:50, we will give them some more chances to prove their worth (Denis, Munir)
c) if they have a very high potential, we will give them a lot of time, even if they'll suck (Dembele, and probably Gomes in their eyes)

A club and the board have their own way of working and assessing players.
Both Malcoms and Bteam guys like Samper, Alena, Miranda, Puig etc.

For majority of you, we are going through the same cycle over and over every single time:
1. why is a young player not playing?
2. why is he not given a run of matches?
3. he can't be worse than (insert a random 30 year old from our team)
4. a coach is an idiot and is not thinking long term

While, on the other hand, if you'll adopt my approach:
1. all players are assessed by 100s of coaches and scouts
2. and based on their assessed potential, on their training grounds performances, based on how they played in matches, and based on HOW MANY players we already have in A-team on their position
= they will be given 2-3, 10 or 50 chances.

Or, simpler, go back to my coin theory.
The staff thought that Dembele has a high potential from the start, and he earned 20 coins from the day 1.
So, he can play like a crap in 19 matches and he will still have coins left.

Malcom, was probably assessed as a weaker potential.
He has earned only 8 coins when he came here.
He has Dembele infront of him in a pecking order.
He played meh in all matches.
And his coins have run out for now.
Maybe he will get an additional 2-3 coins as a Christmas gift, and then if he won't improve in matches, this is more or less it for him.

In short, in my eyes:
Some players will get 3 coins (chances), some will get 10 coins, some will get 20 coins, based on their potential in staff's eyes and based on their performances on training grounds and in matches.

While in the eyes of majority of you guys is:
= every player deserves 20-30 coins until we can properly assess his real worth.

Well, yes, if we give a smaller amount of chances, we will make a mistake here and there.
But that option is still better than giving 20 coins/chances to everyone (Dembele, Malcom, Samper, Alena, Puig, Oriol, Miranda, Munir, Denis, insert 5 new kids from the Bteam in the next season, insert 2-3 new Malcoms whom we'll buy in the next season etc).
We don't have an unlimited time to test everyone.
Some will get 3 coins, some will get 10 coins, some will get 20.
And that's it.
Use your coins wisely or your Barca's time is finished.

All in all, for this or that reason, EV and our staff decided that for example Malcom, Samper, Miranda aren't worth too many coins/chances in this moment.

The irony of comparing Malcom with Salah, when Salah was exactly in the same position at Malcom's age the only difference being that he got to Roma where he really was trusted.

I have just talked about his, lol.
Sorry for offending anyone, but you guys are way too romantic and totally out of real world in some views.
Salah this, Salah that.

Lol, he is 1 out of 100/1000.
Are you willing to test 100 kids in 20 matches to get one Salah?

Or would you rather just buy 1 Salah for 150 Millions and not lose 20 matches (and 200-300-500-1000 millions) for EACH of 100 kids (2000 spots in matches) to find one Salah?
Lol.

This is so painful, sorry.

 

[messi2140]

Yeah, because if he is a hard worker then it must equal that EV hates him because he didn't get Willian. Holy shit you're a fucking moron.

And there you again. Did marriage make you this grumpy or you have always been a piece of shit? You are probably the type of guy that one day gets the phone bill and sees this one phone number receiving a shitton of messages and calls and probably thinks there is nothing suspicious about it at all. Fucking moron.

Edit: love how you conveniently ignored the video I posted showing Malcom clearly is a inside winger aswell.

Guys you know the drill- Valverde is a perfect manager who is never wrong. He sees the players in training that's why Malcom is never played. Just look at how he played Gomes all the time cos he saw him in training. (yes BBZ i'll mention him as long as you keep eulogizing Valverde)

And yes Malcom must be a terrible player to not get minutes at all. The fact that players like Vidal also barely get minutes is just a coincidence. The Willian rumours are also just smoke, there's no fire there. There's no other explanation cos the manager who brought on Gomes against Roma, doesn't use subs, defends 1-0 leads against bottom half teams and overplays senior players can never be wrong.

Amen. It's like these people either can't piece together the obvious or just choose to ignore it.

 

[ronniecro]

jesus this talk about his performances in trainings sounds like we bought some sunday league player and not very talented one who is part of brazilian national teams...rubbish

 

[Saladin]

I'll start with this one.
I just don't get a mindset of some of you where you are always mentioning extreme examples and mistakes like De Bruyne and Salah.
There is always a story about a kid who played instruments in his basement, some manager discovered him and a kid earned millions.
And then some kids, watching that movie or reading that story will think: omg! I will try to do the same.
What the movies or a story usually don't tell is: there are 1000s or millions of other kids in their garage who have done exactly the same and never got famous due to 100s of reasons (they suck, they were unlucky, a manager didn't hear them).

Or when young 20 years old girls from all over the USA come to Los Angeles and hope that they will turn into movie stars.
3-4 of them will make it, other 100 000 will be forced to work as waitresses, or they will need to sleep with 10s of guys to appear for 20 seconds in some 800 dollars budget film, or they will end on drugs or in porn.

So, yes, of course, there is always THAT ONE guy, THAT ONE girl, but you need to take other numbers into the account.
I mean, you are mentioning how Roma made a mistake with Salah.
But you aren't mentioning how they bought 50 players in the last 3-4 seasons and probably made 48 mistakes.
So, in one moment, they hit the gem with Salah and ruined their chance.
And then they made 50 mistakes after Salah, trying to replicate it and find a new Salah.
And then, someone like you will in all future cases mention: but a guy XX could be the next Salah.
While the reality is that even in Roma's case, they have hit 1 Salah and 49 failures after that.
And for each of those 49 new failures, guys who were buying him thought: but maybe he will turn out to be a gem the same as Salah.
But none of them were.

So, there is nothing wrong with being optimistic.
But you also need to know the realistic odds.

So, yes. Malcom could be the same mistake as Salah or De Bruyne.
But chances for that (on a larger sample) are 1%, more or less.
So, imo, it is quite fair to say, if Barca is not playing Malcom:
1. there is 1% chance that he is the next Salah and that we are doing the same mistake
2. there is 9% chance that he is a good player, but EV hates him
3. there is 90% of chances that he is just not good enough for Barca

About the other part of a post, I want to buy superstars, but I have nothing against "lotteries" with kids like Malcom.
If I were in charge of Barca, I would also buy some Coutinhos and some Malcoms.
But, UNLIKE you, I would treat these kids as attempts and lotteries.
So, I would BUY them knowing that a chance that he will make it are like 10-20% at best.
And then, on training grounds and in some matches, we will make a fast assessment of his skills.
If he is worth more chances, he will get it.
If we assess that he is not worth it, no biggie. He will not play and we will buy 2-3 new kids in the next season.

And THIS is the problem. I have a feeling that a board and a coach are doing the same.
Malcom is a low risk gamble.
If he'll make it=awesome, we have hit a gem.
If he'll fail=we can always resell him for 25M, no biggie. We have lost only 15M and it was worth a shot.

Imo, majority of youa re too emotional and too attached to every single player.
While the board and a coach are handling that in a way colder, objective and a multi-billion-dollar-company way.

Like:
1. we will buy 2 kids for 30-40M
2. we will give them some chances and asses them on training grounds
a) if they seem to be very bad for our team, we won't give them ANY chances or only a few matches (Keirrison, Malcom, Deulofeu)
b) if they are 50:50, we will give them some more chances to prove their worth (Denis, Munir)
c) if they have a very high potential, we will give them a lot of time, even if they'll suck (Dembele, and probably Gomes in their eyes)

A club and the board have their own way of working and assessing players.
Both Malcoms and Bteam guys like Samper, Alena, Miranda, Puig etc.

For majority of you, we are going through the same cycle over and over every single time:
1. why is a young player not playing?
2. why is he not given a run of matches?
3. he can't be worse than (insert a random 30 year old from our team)
4. a coach is an idiot and is not thinking long term

While, on the other hand, if you'll adopt my approach:
1. all players are assessed by 100s of coaches and scouts
2. and based on their assessed potential, on their training grounds performances, based on how they played in matches, and based on HOW MANY players we already have in A-team on their position
= they will be given 2-3, 10 or 50 chances.

Or, simpler, go back to my coin theory.
The staff thought that Dembele has a high potential from the start, and he earned 20 coins from the day 1.
So, he can play like a crap in 19 matches and he will still have coins left.

Malcom, was probably assessed as a weaker potential.
He has earned only 8 coins when he came here.
He has Dembele infront of him in a pecking order.
He played meh in all matches.
And his coins have run out for now.
Maybe he will get an additional 2-3 coins as a Christmas gift, and then if he won't improve in matches, this is more or less it for him.

In short, in my eyes:
Some players will get 3 coins (chances), some will get 10 coins, some will get 20 coins, based on their potential in staff's eyes and based on their performances on training grounds and in matches.

While in the eyes of majority of you guys is:
= every player deserves 20-30 coins until we can properly assess his real worth.

Well, yes, if we give a smaller amount of chances, we will make a mistake here and there.
But that option is still better than giving 20 coins/chances to everyone (Dembele, Malcom, Samper, Alena, Puig, Oriol, Miranda, Munir, Denis, insert 5 new kids from the Bteam in the next season, insert 2-3 new Malcoms whom we'll buy in the next season etc).
We don't have an unlimited time to test everyone.
Some will get 3 coins, some will get 10 coins, some will get 20.
And that's it.
Use your coins wisely or your Barca's time is finished.

All in all, for this or that reason, EV and our staff decided that for example Malcom, Samper, Miranda aren't worth too many coins/chances in this moment.



I have just talked about his, lol.
Sorry for offending anyone, but you guys are way too romantic and totally out of real world in some views.
Salah this, Salah that.

Lol, he is 1 out of 100/1000.
Are you willing to test 100 kids in 20 matches to get one Salah?

Or would you rather just buy 1 Salah for 150 Millions and not lose 20 matches (and 200-300-500-1000 millions) for EACH of 100 kids (2000 spots in matches) to find one Salah?
Lol.

This is so painful, sorry.

How the fuck can you produce so much (read: quantity on your posts) garbage on a daily basis? It is actually impressive in its own rights.

EDIT: Ahh, I think I've solved it. You use some sort of dictaphone or audio recording device that registers every word you utter and then writes it down in bad English, amirite?

 

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Fact is that Barca is not the best player for a young player to come to. Bar Arthur they barely get chances and are stuck with short term managers who wont risk it since they lack vision and dont intend to stay long enough to pick the fruits of that labour. We as barca are known for developing own talent. Just like Ajax except we dont get craddle robbed.

Thats why we need a Rijkaard/Pep type manager rather than a Lucho/Valverde.
It puts off the likes of De Ligt and De Jong from joining us. A guy like Malcom, Dembele and Aleña should appaer often so they can develop.

We have a shitload of matches where this could happen. Tonight for example it would be good to play Aleña for 30 minutes if we are 0-2 up rather than Rafinha who is of Jonathan dos Santos level at this point.