Marc Bartra

BBZ8800

Senior Member
You misunderstand me. Giving him the shirt would be almost certainly come with him actually being considered a player by our coach. It'd be pretty comical to see the player hand picked by Puyol to be the next #5 not being able to make the bench against Sporting Gijon.

Those are things that would get worked out by playing time. You're listing the flaws he has as a player but he never got the opportunity to fix those flaws. Granted, it's partly his fault for actually sticking around throughout all of this, so I don't exactly feel sorry for him.

So, what, we are back to: "he could have been awesome if we had more faith in him?"

Maybe, but highly unlikely.
Yes, players develop in their young age by getting minutes, but even with minutes some players end as bad/average or as good players.
For example, Bojan Krkic was given tons of time while he was young (in Barca).
But even though he had tons of potential, good years in youth teams and tons of time in Ateam, he never developed into a player for Barca's level.
Why?
= because he just wasn't good enough for our level (due to some of his weaknesses) even with all his natural talent and with minutes we (and other teams) later gave to him.

More recent examples, Adama or Sandro.
You can give them 2000 minutes per season in Ateam, they will surely improve to some extent, but 99% none of them will ever improve to a level that he will be good enough for our Ateam.

So, NO, Bartra's or anyone else's problem isn't a lack of playing time.
It is playing time+their natural peaks of talent/development.

Also, for Bartra and any other future player in the next 1000 years at Barca, all young players should be aware:
= at Barca, young players will in general (unless if you are young Messi) get less minutes than in midtable teams
-- so, YES, there are chances that your development at Barca will be weaker compared to your possible development if you played at Levante or Celta

But that is a risk (and honor) of playing at Barca.
It is hard to reach a first team, but when you do it=you are on top of the world.
But anyway, more or less any young player knows or should know the pros and cons of their development at Barca.

So, for the end, at some extent your answer is true, but ALL young players should have known that.
You KNOW that you won't get tons of minutes at Barca as a youngster.
And that your future career is in a huge risk because of that.
So, one day, if you fail to develop/reach a required Barca's level, imo then a reply how a player wasn't given enough of minutes is pretty stupid (not from you, but if a player would use that answer).

This is Barca.
We don't have too much time/options to develop young players.
If you take your chance right away=awesome.
If you don't take your chance right away=you will be given only a small number of chances after that.
Is that fair?=oh well, the world is a cruel place, I know...

On the other hand, Bartra, Sandro, Adama, it is extremely hard to tell whether they would develop into a much better players if they played/developed in Levante or Rayo.
Maybe they would have improved much better with more playing time.
But also, maybe they would turn into EQUALLY as good (or average) players as today in Barca.

Sometimes, players don't develop well ONLY because of too few opportunities.
Sometimes, players don't develop because they are just crap/average and they have reached their natural peaks.
Sometimes, it is a combination of both.

But using an answer that only a playing time is/was Bartra's or someone else's problem is not fair/objective either.
In this example, it still sounds as if people have tons of blind faith how Barta was an awesome talent and only a bad luck and playing minutes restricted him into turning into our future captain and into a Bartresi...
 
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Alik

Moderator
How did Bartra do?

Is he first back-up CB in Spain?

If yes, maybe he gets a chance to shine in the Euro?
 

God Serena

New member
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But... Why? It's the same shit every single summer. If Bartra somehow lets the club convince him to ride the bench as 5th/6th choice (They still want to sign another CB, after all) he's even dumber than I think he is, and that's saying something.
 
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Flavia

Guest
But... Why? It's the same shit every single summer. If Bartra somehow lets the club convince him to ride the bench as 5th/6th choice (They still want to sign another CB, after all) he's even dumber than I think he is, and that's saying something.

Maybe they're hoping that Zubi's prophecy will be fulfilled :zubi:

He should go for his sake.
 

barcanuck

New member
The advantage he has is age. Masche, Mathieu and Verms all over 30 and will need time off or the latter two be sold. Not to mention Pique is 29.
 

Alik

Moderator
The advantage he has is age. Masche, Mathieu and Verms all over 30 and will need time off or the latter two be sold. Not to mention Pique is 29.

Mascherano - Max 2 seasons
Mathieu - Max 1 season
Vermaelen - Sold this summer
Dani Alves - Max 1 season

Considering that our backline will be looking very different in the next 2 seasons, maybe it is a good idea to keep Bartra as a safe constant.

I say we sell Vermaelen this summer and bring in 1 good young CB, and 1 good LB. Furthermore, we wouldn't be sure how well the new signings would adjust to the club.

Bottom line is that considering the age of our backline and the number of signings that we will need to replace them, and the uncertainty around those, perhaps holding on to Bartra would be prudent.

edit: Also looks like it could be a great opportunity for an upcoming CB from La Masia.
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
Mascherano - Max 2 seasons
Mathieu - Max 1 season
Vermaelen - Sold this summer
Dani Alves - Max 1 season

Considering that our backline will be looking very different in the next 2 seasons, maybe it is a good idea to keep Bartra as a safe constant.

I say we sell Vermaelen this summer and bring in 1 good young CB, and 1 good LB. Furthermore, we wouldn't be sure how well the new signings would adjust to the club.

Bottom line is that considering the age of our backline and the number of signings that we will need to replace them, and the uncertainty around those, perhaps holding on to Bartra would be prudent.

edit: Also looks like it could be a great opportunity for an upcoming CB from La Masia.

Bartra will be more or less as equally as good (or better to say: average or bad) today and in 2 seasons.
When the current players will get sold/retired, we will just buy new random 2-3-4 players like Vermaelen and Mathieu (or better defenders).

The needed quality for our club/defense won't drop that much so that Bartra will suddenly be good enough to play here.
Also, it is very unlikely that he will suddenly improve as a player aged 25 and a half.
Or aged 27 in 2 seasons.
 

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
Mascherano - Max 2 seasons
Mathieu - Max 1 season
Vermaelen - Sold this summer
Dani Alves - Max 1 season

Considering that our backline will be looking very different in the next 2 seasons, maybe it is a good idea to keep Bartra as a safe constant.

I say we sell Vermaelen this summer and bring in 1 good young CB, and 1 good LB. Furthermore, we wouldn't be sure how well the new signings would adjust to the club.

Bottom line is that considering the age of our backline and the number of signings that we will need to replace them, and the uncertainty around those, perhaps holding on to Bartra would be prudent.

edit: Also looks like it could be a great opportunity for an upcoming CB from La Masia.

Bartra has one year left in his contract .he won't get much playing time next year since all 4 CBs(or whoever replace any of them) will be still ahead of him .
By the end of of next year ,Bartra will be over 26 .with minimal playing time .why would he renew his contract?
 

Alik

Moderator
Bartra will be more or less as equally as good (or better to say: average or bad) today and in 2 seasons.
When the current players will get sold/retired, we will just buy new random 2-3-4 players like Vermaelen and Mathieu (or better defenders).

The needed quality for our club/defense won't drop that much so that Bartra will suddenly be good enough to play here.
Also, it is very unlikely that he will suddenly improve as a player aged 25 and a half.
Or aged 27 in 2 seasons.

Bartra right now is 3rd backup CB. Even if he stays as 3rd backup, or manages to become 2nd backup, perhaps it's worth keeping him under that role.

Bartra has one year left in his contract .he won't get much playing time next year since all 4 CBs(or whoever replace any of them) will be still ahead of him .
By the end of of next year ,Bartra will be over 26 .with minimal playing time .why would he renew his contract?

I'm arguing for why the club should keep him. I agree that it's not in his best interests.

But it's just a thought.

Edit: And now Mathieu's injury cast doubts over his Barça future too.
 
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