Matthijs de Ligt

Givenchy

Senior Member
Juve, Barca or PSG for De Ligt imo. i dont think he'd want to join Bundesliga and City have no chance with their FFP issues

Barto has a great opportunity to make Nasser his bitch after the Neymar debacle but honestly rather we go for a less expensive option so we can focus on a backup LB and ST
 

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
Not sure about PSG's CB situation but with Bayern do they really need him?

I mean even if they got rid of Hummels and Boateng they still would have Sule, Pavard and they are chasing Lucas Hernandez as well. That seems like overkill honestly.

Exactly, plus Bayern will not pay 90m for a CB, period.

[MENTION=15570]Newcomer[/MENTION], I have not followed BVB as much as I’d like to this season but Zagadou was far from one of the best CBs from what I have seen him before. He was used more as a LB than a CB by BVB if my memory served me correctly.
 

xXKonan

Senior Member
Juve have been known for being penny pinchers at times but also aren't afraid of spending a shitload of money if needed as well.

But I think maybe even what Ajax would want for De Ligt will end up being way too much for them.
 

Porque

Senior Member
Yup, i like Real Madrid business. They are really going value for their money imo. I still don't understand how they scouted Vinicius. He is no world beater yet of course, but to be able to indentify a brazilian that wasn't even 16 and din't even have a pro game and yet to pay that much ! That oozes confidence in their scouting department.

About de Ligt, we were already in for him before the outcome of de Jong case, so nothing new here. Even As or Marca had talked about it some weeks ago.
I don't really see the need of de Ligt unless we are actively purchasing Thiago Silva (35y.o) heir. TS is still in super form and is playing great this year. By far our best defender.
In that context, he could be brought to be the boss of our defence since the other players simply don't have TS class. They are good but they lack that little something. They say that great defenders don't need to tackle because they hav already anticipated the plays and are already in the good position. TS possesses that trait. Kimpembe and Marquinhos and Kehrer are terrible when they have to cover space behind them.

First of all, you start with for L1, PSG could just blablabla. No. PSG wants to win CL, so they will always go for the best opportunities out there if possible.
Also, French clubs are very harsh when talking transfers with PSG. They simply prefer to sell to a lower level english club than to PSG or they'll ask a very big bonus (+50%). That is why PSG often buys from abroad. Then, Aulas will cry because PSG don't share his wealth with french clubs by buying their players but won't sell us Ndombélé.
In the DM case, we had agreed everything with Fabinho but Monaco asked us 65 M instead of the 40/45 M asking price for other clubs.
About Upamecano, there is another great french CB prospect in that league : Zagadou. Actually a PSG academy player, he was rated our biggest CB talent ever produced in our youth sides. Unfortunately, he preferred going to Dortmund (for free) while we had promised him the vacant 4th CB spot. We wouldn't even have to search for a CB right now.
When i think about it, we lost more than 100 M € value with Coman, Rabiot and Zagadou, all leaving for free. It is a Dembele fee.
That leaves us to chase young promising CB abroad and then de Ligt. With de Jong coming here, i would have been very sure we could bag him as well. Now ? Not a fucking chance. He will want Barça, 100% sure.

Btw, i think it is pretty evident the PSG direction must have been very unhappy about de Jong outcome, however don"t believe those articles talking about revenge. Those are bullshit. As if PSG will go pay a release clause for a player that is not worth it ? If they had so much money to waste they would have increased their offers to Ajax and de Jong in the first place. PSG will only pay what it can afford to in de Ligt case, irrespective of Barça. If we didn't go higher than 75 M for de Jong who was a prime target as a defensive midfield, we won't go higher for sure for CB that is luxury option.

Great post. Actually I was not being derogatory with the Ligue1/Occasional CL games comment. I was simply saying that PSG do not need to get involved in a bidding war for De Ligt as like you said they need a CB who will show up to get them to those Semi Final and Final matches. With that in mind there are great talents who can fulfill the role like those named.

Same goes for Barcelona really. De Ligt looks the best of the bunch because he debuted as an international at 16/17. But Barcelona have won CL with players like Yaya Toure and Adriano as CB in key games. I do not necessarily think that it was the lack of a world class CB that was difference maker for PSG getting knocked out in previous seasons for example.

That is why I felt De Jong was more key than De Ligt even if the latter is perhaps a bigger talent. Because finding a midfielder to fulfill the roles of a high possession big club is harder than a defender who can play the ball.
 
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Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
Great post. Actually I was not being derogatory with the Ligue1/Occasional CL games comment. I was simply saying that PSG do not need to get involved in a bidding war for De Ligt as like you said they need a CB who will show up to get them to those Semi Final and Final matches. With that in mind there are great talents who can fulfill the role like those named.

Same goes for Barcelona really. De Ligt looks the best of the bunch because he debuted as an international at 16/17. But Barcelona have won CL with players like Yaya Toure and Adriano as CB in key games. I do not necessarily think that it was the lack of a world class CB that was difference maker for PSG getting knocked out in previous seasons for example.

That is why I felt De Jong was more key than De Ligt even if the latter is perhaps a bigger talent. Because finding a midfielder to fulfill the roles of a high possession big club is harder than a defender who can play the ball.

Times were vastly different. Back then we relied on having the ball and constantly on the move forward to shield our defense I'd argue it was much less demanding for our CBs and defenders at large back then. Nowadays we simply can't and we really need to have good defenders.
 

Porque

Senior Member
Times were vastly different. Back then we relied on having the ball and constantly on the move forward to shield our defense I'd argue it was much less demanding for our CBs and defenders at large back then. Nowadays we simply can't and we really need to have good defenders.

We have good CBs. What we lack is a Pique replacement who is aging and will step down sooner rather than later to focus on his business ventures.

Do you feel it is necessary to get involved with the mentioned clubs and reach up to 90million plus agent fee's + wages for a CB?

Madrid decided against it and spent 50m on a CB who has 6 months European experience (why didnt we spot this guy with all our time in Brazil btw, tieing up Yerry Mina and Arthur years ahead).

Because I think it is easier to find a really good defender than a good midfielder currently. This goes for us and PSG.
 

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
We have good CBs. What we lack is a Pique replacement who is aging and will step down sooner rather than later to focus on his business ventures.

Do you feel it is necessary to get involved with the mentioned clubs and reach up to 90million plus agent fee's + wages for a CB?

Madrid decided against it and spent 50m on a CB who has 6 months European experience (why didnt we spot this guy with all our time in Brazil btw, tieing up Yerry Mina and Arthur years ahead).

Because I think it is easier to find a really good defender than a good midfielder currently. This goes for us and PSG.

No, I don’t think we need to pay 90m plus those ridiculous fees to feed the fat rat, there are cheaper options like the Leipzig duo that has been mentioned several times.
 

Judoman

Senior Member
Offloading Rakitic, Suarez, Rafinha should be enough, why Coutinho?

Also, i think CF position should be a priority. Paying 100 mil for a CB....i don t think it s worth it.
 

VN10

New member
Are you retarded? Not only are you stupid as a brick but you are inventing nonsense. I never mentioned Konaté's price with a single word or even said that he would be available. Nor that he was better or worse than MDL. Just that he was physically stronger, taller and quicker. Stop wasting my time with such idiotic outbursts. Your initial comments were more than enough stupidity for the day.

Dit you see the /s? We both know that the stupidity is high in one of us, which is not me. ;)

On topic, [MENTION=19517]Leo_Messi[/MENTION], you are saying that our defence is worldclass and that we don't really need improvements at the back. Let me wake you up, our defence is horse shit. Besides that, anyone with a regular mind for football is able to spot this problem. Look at the comments in every match topic this season, your 'like minded' - as you call them - do not hesitate to write that down. Maybe you should listen to your 'like minded' buddies more often.

We need to strengthen our defence more than we needed to sign another midfield player. I'm pretty confident that Barca's footballing directors are aware of this, why would they work in that position if they don't. And I'm also confident we are getting defensive signings. Let's pray it's going to be De Ligt. He is the perfect Barca defender for the next 10 to 15 years.
 

Leo_Messi

New member
Dit you see the /s? We both know that the stupidity is high in one of us, which is not me. ;)

On topic, [MENTION=19517]Leo_Messi[/MENTION], you are saying that our defence is worldclass and that we don't really need improvements at the back. Let me wake you up, our defence is horse shit. Besides that, anyone with a regular mind for football is able to spot this problem. Look at the comments in every match topic this season, your 'like minded' - as you call them - do not hesitate to write that down. Maybe you should listen to your 'like minded' buddies more often.

We need to strengthen our defence more than we needed to sign another midfield player. I'm pretty confident that Barca's footballing directors are aware of this, why would they work in that position if they don't. And I'm also confident we are getting defensive signings. Let's pray it's going to be De Ligt. He is the perfect Barca defender for the next 10 to 15 years.

I will ask again. Are you retarded? I am being serious here.

Where and when did I say that we have a "world class" defence? Show the post and exact quote. What I objected to was your retarded claim of us having ZERO "top defenders" and MDL being better than Umtiti and everyone else that we have.

When did I say that we should not sign a CB? Did you not read my initial posts yesterday in this thread where I elaborated about every possible possibility in detail from page 56 onwards? Go get more sleep or do something to clear your mind.
 
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VN10

New member
When did I say that we should not sign a CB? Did you read read my initial posts yesterday in this thread where I elaborated about every possible possibility in detail from page 56 onwards? Go get more sleep or do something to clear your mind.

Me? More sleep? Are you actually aware what you've written? :lol:

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