Mavericky Puig

serghei

Senior Member
Gerrard played all over the park from AM to RW to CM.

Lampard was more an 8 who played off striker than a box to box player like FDJ.

Many different way to play it.

Keane, Viera were box to box and played it a different way.

Those are more defensive midfielders dude :lol:. They are more like Casemiro than any other player currently playing. You just made your case 10 times worse with this comment.

Unless somehow you try to spin it that Casemiro is also box to box and not DM for Madrid.
 

vegitot

Senior Member
Like I said. Enjoy more Busi at DM. :lol:

Ah, and also, let's see De Jong scoring goals vs likes of Madrid, PSG, Atletico. That's what a box to box player should do. Check guys like Lampard, Gerrard, baging goals at the highest level in vital games.

Even his former manager sees him as a deep player.

Deep player does not mean a lone CDM like Busquest.

Again, show me dozen matches he excel at CDM position.
 

YodaMaster

Member
All right dummies, I'm going to give you my time and explain why you kids are clueless.

First thing first dummies, comparing Koeman's results to Valverde's or Setien's makes absolutely no sense. Those 2 cowards didn't hesitate one second to sacrifice every aspect of what makes Barcelona's game so special. They denied the culture of this club just in hope of getting results, and still failed miserably on the biggest stage.
Guys criticizing Koeman and pretending that he's worse than Valverde are shameless resultadistas who should get the fuck away from this club. In this club, we play good football because we're convinced that this is the best path to success.

Koeman also got rid of old players, thus destroyed the old rubbish system. That old system was a coward approach, a shame for a club like Barca, but still it was more or less effective in la Liga. Koeman came and unlike Setien, he had the balls to put that system in its place which is a garbage bag.

Koeman started the rebuilding of this whole club from scratch. Guess what dummies ? A rebuilding will always take time, but it's worth it and it should be done here cause almost all our starters were bad and old, even if they had the experience in la Liga. Now the dutchman is building a team that will be competitive in a few months, maybe few years, but we have to go through this, especially after Barto destroyed this club and didn't prepare the future.

And somehow he could bench Rakitic/Vidal.

Rakitic, Vidal passed their best but still better than Alena. At least with Rakitic - Vidal you won 1-0 at Bernabeu in 2019 Clasico, can not say same thing with Alena.

He could bench Rakitic and Vidal because it didn't take prime Xavi to bench those guys, they were absolute trash from 2018 on. Most of midfielders from top 10 la Liga teams could have benched Rakitic and Vidal. Proof is that Rakitic isn't even good enough for Sevilla, a top 5 or top 10 team in La Liga. Alena wouldn't have been worse than those guys, once again they were absolute trash, but a coward will always select them above Alena cause that's what cowards do. Koeman has balls, that's why he gets rid of Vidal, Rakitic, Suarez and makes 17yo kids Ansu and Pedri his starters.

"Alena didn't prove anything" guess what until you give a youngster a chance he won't prove anything, that's physically impossible. If Valverde was still the coach, you'd say "Pedri didn't prove anything, Vidal starting ahead of him is normal". Bullshit.

Ultimately I agree Alena seems too light to be a Barca starter, but when you have 2 donkeys starting every game, sure Alena could only do better.


If Koeman would be first in la liga, nobody would say anything about the Puig-drama even though it would be a strange act from Koeman but no, we are far away from the title so of course barca fans are furious if we dont play with our best players and Puig is one of them.

Here we have a resultadista by definition, somebody that doesn't give shit about anything except the results. I have news for you: you're not following the right club. Koeman's Barca is miles better than Valverde's if we look at the football displayed, and it's an important factor here. You don't seem to be interested by that so you should look for a new club. Also this season we're in a rebuilding process. In such seasons, you don't win trophies but they're essential for the future success of the club.

Right, let's pretend Valverde didn't come to Barca almost 4 years ago when Rakitic was 29. And even if forget that bit of info, you're still wrong. As Rakitic was a better player than Alena back than, and still is. And not just Alena. Irrationally hating on a guy because he didn't have youngsters in his squad who could perform nearly as well as players you don't like.. what to say :lol:

Oh yeah genius ? Please tell me who blamed Valverde for not starting Alena ahead of Rakitic in 2017 ? People started to blame him for starting Rakitic in that 2018-2019 season where the croat was awful, a shame for a club like Barca, and still started every freaking game. I mentioned the times when Valverde's starting midfield had Rakitic and Vidal in it, this wasn't 4 years ago, it was 2 years ago.

Man STFU! What pisses me off is another idiot takes my comment out of context and write an essay about it.

My comment was a reply to Cowman's comment when he compared Puig to Konrad's playing time. And what I said is true, Konrad is not even a first team player to be compared with Puig or compete with him for first team playing time.

I actually praised Cowman yesterday in his thread, I just say it as I see it and don't have hate agenda like some here do against certain players. Puig played a good game, yet the usual haters try to play it down. One of the haters who keeps posting here bashing Puig everyday, completely disappeared from this thread for few weeks after Puig's Juve performance. Now he is back when he found two other stooges backing him up.

And I said it before, I don't have agenda against Cowman, actually I think he is way better than Fraudverde and I said it many times I will back him once he implement meritocracy meaning players like Griezmann, Coutinho, Busquets etc should be dropped when they underperform, and players like Puig should be given a chance if he performs well.

Fair enough for most part.
Meanwhile, watch your language young dummy. And learn to spell right Ronald Koeman's name, guy is a huge legend of a club you support, you should show some respect.

Almost everyone wanted him to be sacked few weeks ago, and funny I wasn't one of them. I said he should continue until the end of this season. And now after few good games, they think he is the next Pep, and some actually want him to continue beyond this season.

His real test will be UCL KOs.

His real test won't be shit. Once again we're in a REBUILDING PROCESS ! Team has no obligation to bring home crazy results this season, as the main goal is to build the structure for the following years and Koeman is already succeeding in doing that. Last team that played as well or better than right now was in 2016. Last time team played so well with 5 teenagers in the starting 11 was I don't know when, probably never happened before. Koeman is our best coach since Pep and Lucho, you guys should shut your mouth and thank God that we finally have a coach with balls who plays Barca style.

Now let's address the Riqui Puig situation.
Last year under Setien, he became a starter and team was still shit. This year under Koeman, he's not a starter and the team is doing great.
From this point, if I had to choose between Koeman and Puig right now, I'd choose Koeman. As a coach who fits Barcelona's style, he's way more important than ONE freaking player. You kids should learn how football works or should work at least. The coach decides, and the coach has the authority. You have to trust your coach, especially when he's the right person for your club at a given point.

I like Riqui Puig a lot myself, and of course I'd be happy if Koeman played him more often. But am I gonna trash Koeman for not playing him ? Of course not.
It's pretty clear that these 2 guys have a problem, or at least used to have one. What exactly is the problem ? No clue. Some say Puig is a snitch, that he tried to put pressure on Koeman. If that's true, Koeman is 100% right to punish him and teach him a lesson. I don't care how talented the kid is. Coach has the authority, and it's the player's job to convince his coach. We already know that Koeman has no problem with youngsters, he loves them and I don't recall one single previous coach who trusted as much youngsters as Koeman does. Even Pep didn't start this much youngsters. Koeman is no Valverde, Ernesto loved old veterans and hated youngsters. So what might be Koeman's reason to not give more playing time to Puig if it's not his youth ? Something personal between them probably, be it snitching or lacking intensity/seriousness in training. Can't blame Koeman in this instance.

Now let's pretend Koeman doesn't like Riqui for no reason. Well it's unfortunate, but most managers have or had problems with players for no reason. Pep tried to get rid of Eto'o, our best 9 ever probably, and did get rid of him eventually. Pep also got rid of Yaya Toure. Both those guys were 10 times the players Riqui is right now.
It might end up being a bad choice from Koeman, but if he still manages to rebuild a beautiful and winning team despite that, it won't be a big deal.

Also, Riqui Puig is an offensive midfielder, or a central one. Both those positions are occupied by Frenkie and Pedri, and Puig can't bench any of them. Him not being a starter is normal. Pjanic is a very good experienced midfielder, even he has to sit on the bench. And the club brought him for 60 millions euros.

So y'all should stop crying every 3 days and trust the guy who's doing a good job after the previous 2 bums we had at the head of the team.
 
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JamDav1982

Senior Member
Those are more defensive midfielders dude :lol:. They are more like Casemiro than any other player currently playing. You just made your case 10 times worse with this comment.

Keane and Viera were box to box midfielders in their prime.

Held up as about best in world at it as well.
 

vegitot

Senior Member
Those are more defensive midfielders dude :lol:. They are more like Casemiro than any other player currently playing. You just made your case 10 times worse with this comment.

Lmao Gerrard/Lampard being a defensive midfielder.

Again, show dozen matches De Jong excel at CDM.
 

vegitot

Senior Member
All right dummies, I'm going to give you my time and explain why you kids are clueless.

First thing first dummies, comparing Koeman's results to Valverde's or Setien's makes absolutely no sense. Those 2 cowards didn't hesitate one second to sacrifice every aspect of what makes Barcelona's game so special. They denied the culture of this club just in hope of getting results, and still failed miserably on the biggest stage.
Guys criticizing Koeman and pretending that he's worse than Valverde are shameless resultadistas who should get the fuck away from this club. In this club, we play good football because we're convinced that this is the best path to success.

Koeman also got rid of old players, thus destroyed the old rubbish system. That old system was a coward approach, a shame for a club like Barca, but still it was more or less effective in la Liga. Koeman came and unlike Setien, he had the balls to put that system in its place which is a garbage bag.

Koeman started the rebuilding of this whole club from scratch. Guess what dummies ? A rebuilding will always take time, but it's worth it and it should be done here cause almost all our starters were bad and old, even if they had the experience in la Liga. Now the dutchman is building a team that will be competitive in a few months, maybe few years, but we have to go through this, especially after Barto destroyed this club and didn't prepare the future.



He could bench Rakitic and Vidal because it didn't take prime Xavi to bench those guys, they were absolute trash from 2018 on. Most of midfielders from top 10 la Liga teams could have benched Rakitic and Vidal. Proof is that Rakitic isn't even good enough for Sevilla, a top 5 or top 10 team in La Liga. Alena wouldn't have been worse than those guys, once again they were absolute trash, but a coward will always select them above Alena cause that's what cowards do. Koeman has balls, that's why he gets rid of Vidal, Rakitic, Suarez and makes 17yo kids Ansu and Pedri his starters.

"Alena didn't prove anything" guess what until you give a youngster a chance he won't prove anything, that's physically impossible. If Valverde was still the coach, you'd say "Pedri didn't prove anything, Vidal starting ahead of him is normal". Bullshit.

Ultimately I agree Alena seems too light to be a Barca starter, but when you have 2 donkeys starting every game, sure Alena could only do better.




Here we have a resultadista by definition, somebody that doesn't give shit about anything except the results. I have news for you: you're not following the right club. Koeman's Barca is miles better than Valverde's if we look at the football displayed, and it's an important factor here. You don't seem to be interested by that so you should look for a new club. Also this season we're in a rebuilding process. In such seasons, you don't win trophies but they're essential for the future success of the club.



Oh yeah genius ? Please tell me who blamed Valverde for not starting Alena ahead of Rakitic in 2017 ? People started to blame him for starting Rakitic in that 2018-2019 season where the croat was awful, a shame for a club like Barca. I mentioned the times when Valverde's starting midfield had Rakitic and Vidal in it, this was 4 years ago, it was 2 years ago.



Fair enough for most part.
Meanwhile, watch your language young dummy. And learn to spell right Ronald Koeman's name, guy is a huge legend of a club you support, you should show some respect.



His real test won't be shit. Once again we're in a REBUILDING PROCESS ! Team has no obligation to bring home crazy results this season, as the main goal is to build the structure for the following years and Koeman is already succeeding in doing that. Last team that played as well or better than right now was in 2016. Last time team played so well with 5 teenagers in the starting 11 was I don't know when, probably never happened before. Koeman is our best coach since Pep and Lucho, you guys should shut your mouth and thank God that we finally have a coach with balls who plays Barca style.

Now let's address the Riqui Puig situation.
Last year under Setien, he became a starter and team was still shit. This year under Koeman, he's not a starter and the team is doing great.
From this point, if I had to choose between Koeman and Puig right now, I'd choose Koeman. As a coach who fits Barcelona's style, he's way more important than ONE freaking player. You kids should learn how football works or should work at least. The coach decides, and the coach has the authority. You have to trust your coach, especially when he's the right person for your club at a given point.

I like Riqui Puig a lot myself, and of course I'd be happy if Koeman played him more often. But am I gonna trash Koeman for not playing him ? Of course not.
It's pretty clear that these 2 guys have a problem, or at least used to have one. What exactly is the problem ? No clue. Some say Puig is a snitch, that he tried to put pressure on Koeman. If that's true, Koeman is 100% to punish him and teach him a lesson. I don't care how talented the kid is. Coach has the authority, and it's the player's job to convince his coach. We already know that Koeman has no problem with youngsters, he loves them and I don't recall one single previous coach who trusted as much youngsters as Koeman does. Even Pep didn't start this much youngsters. Koeman is no Valverde, Ernesto loved old veterans and hated youngsters. So what might be Koeman's reason to not give more playing time to Puig if it's not his youth ? Something personal between them probably, be it snitching or lacking intensity/seriousness in training. Can't blame Koeman in this instance.

Now let's pretend Koeman doesn't like Riqui for no reason. Well it's unfortunate, but most managers have or had problems with players for no reason. Pep tried to get rid of Eto'o, our best 9 ever probably, and did get rid of him eventually. Pep also got rid of Yaya Toure. Both those guys were 10 times the players Riqui is right now.
It might be a bad choice from Koeman, but if he still manages to rebuild a beautiful and winning team despite that, I won't be a big deal.

So y'all should stop crying every 3 days and trust the guy who's doing a good job after the previous 2 bums we had at the head of the team.

Message back when Alena scores in Clasico like both Rakitic and Vidal did in 2018/19 season. Simply impposible

Even if Rakitic and Vidal were bad, they were all better than Alena.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Lmao Gerrard/Lampard being a defensive midfielder.

Again, show dozen matches De Jong excel at CDM.

At Ajax he played in a double pivot dude, this is a more defensive position. Not a box to box. The box to box player was Van de Beek. When you say box to box, you refer to a player that participates in offense and has the work rate to help in defensive transition. That was Van de Beek.

So, either you say Ajax didn't play with a box to box (fair enough I guess), or that box to box player was Van de Beek.

Also, it's a mystery of human logic how you deduced I said Gerrard and Lampard are DMs. I said Keane and Vieira were. And gave Casemiro as the current player they are closest to in style and function on the field.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
At Ajax he played in a double pivot dude, this is a more defensive position. Not a box to box. The box to box player was Van de Beek. When you say box to box, you refer to a player that participates in offense and has the work rate to help in defensive transition. That was Van de Beek.

So, either you say Ajax didn't play with a box to box, or that box to box player was Van de Beek.

No it isnt.

The double pivot role he played is much closer to the box to box role has at Barca.

He needs the movement on and off the ball whatever you want to describe the role as.

The lone DM role doesnt suit him as Ten Hag said.
 

serghei

Senior Member
No it isnt.

The double pivot role he played is much close to the box to box role has at Barca.

He needs the movement on and off the ball.

The lone DM role doesnt suit him as Ten Hag said.

Right... that's why his manager said publicly he isn't a box to box. I guess his manager knows better what his position was and wasn't. I don't have a problem with your stance that De Jong is best suited in a box to box role. Fair enough and might actually be true if he ups his offensive numbers vs more serious teams.

But how intensely you quickly toss aside the idea he might be a very good DM for us surrounded by proper high work rate, high movement players, is typical JamDav.
 

vegitot

Senior Member
At Ajax he played in a double pivot dude, this is a more defensive position. Not a box to box. The box to box player was Van de Beek. When you say box to box, you refer to a player that participates in offense and has the work rate to help in defensive transition. That was Van de Beek.

So, either you say Ajax didn't play with a box to box (fair enough I guess), or that box to box player was Van de Beek.

Also, it's a mystery of human logic how you deduced I said Gerrard and Lampard are DMs. I said Keane and Vieira were. And gave Casemiro as the current player they are closest to in style and function on the field.

Oh and now you say double pivot. De Jong plays as double pivot this season and is mediocre. Now he plays as a more advance position and has his best time with Barca.

Offensive??? De Jong is great ball carrier and he makes a lot of run into the box.

And we are talking about a lone CDM positio which Busquest is better than De Jong. You seem to not read carefully.
 

vegitot

Senior Member
Right... that's why his manager said publicly he isn't a box to box. I guess his manager knows better what his position was and wasn't. I don't have a problem with your stance that De Jong is best suited in a box to box role. Fair enough and might actually be true if he ups his offensive numbers vs more serious teams.

But how intensely you quickly toss aside the idea he might be a very good DM for us surrounded by proper high work rate, high movement players, is typical JamDav.

So Busquest is better at CDM than De Jong, no debate.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
Right... that's why his manager said publicly he isn't a box to box. I guess his manager knows better what his position was and wasn't. I don't have a problem with your position that De Jong is best suited in a box to box role.

But how intensely you quickly toss aside the idea he might be a very good DM for us surrounded by proper high work rate, high movement players, is typical JamDav.

He didnt say that in the quote... he said not a ten that gets in box and scored goals when played as more of AM under your man Setien.

The same coach who said he cant play the lone DM role and needs freedom to move.

Which one is closer to his Ajax/Netherlands role? His current one or Busis role? It is not even close.

Then again you scoff at Keane and Viera being box to box so not sure where this is going. It is a fairly loose term to describe a player that is given freedom on and off ball to get up and down pitch and a variety of different players in different systems play it.

Call it whatever you like if 'box to box' hurts but it is about getting that freedom.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Oh and now you say double pivot. De Jong plays as double pivot this season and is mediocre. Now he plays as a more advance position and has his best time with Barca.

Offensive??? De Jong is great ball carrier and he makes a lot of run into the box.

And we are talking about a lone CDM positio which Busquest is better than De Jong. You seem to not read carefully.

Dude, De Jong played at times as DM when Busi was subbed, for portions of the game. Usually when Coutinho was put on next to Pedri if I remember it correctly. And did pretty great. If anything, as expected, the fluidity of the team and the flowing of the build-up got better, because De Jong is a better mover, a better passer than Busi. He covers the zone much better than slow and aged Busquets.

The majority of the open play goals we conceded when Busi and Lenglet were playing can be attributed to at least one big mistake by one of them.

If Wijnaldum comes, I guess you will see more of De Jong at DM, with Pedri and Wijnaldum above him. In that case, Pedri will be the AM, and Wijnaldum the box to box type.
 
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George_Costanza

Active member
Busquets is a big liability. Don't know what you guys are talking about. He's an error machine and against bigger teams, he will cost us dearly. Wouldn't be surprised to see Mbappe or Neymar score a couple of goals on Camp Nou thanks to his positional errors.

Busquets is mentally broken and it's inevitable he will make many mistakes that will cost us another thrashing in UCL. Why the fuck some people still wants him in the lineup is mental. Funny that they rather see Busquets, FDJ, Pedri midfield rather than FDJ, Pedri, Puig midfield.

:busquets:

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