Paul Pogba

[Hamzah]

i said psg were nothing to be jealous of because they are not successful. then you said 'bayern aren't succesful either'. i replied with their european cup wins including a recent one - to which you said ''that was two years ago''.

so you're basically saying even a european cup win two ears ago is meaningless, i followed your messed up logic and came to that statment using your logic.

 

[Leo_Messi]

Juvens, let me explain my antipathy against the owners of those oil clubs a bit more.

Imagine a firm/family dynasty/football club etc. for instance that was founded decades (sometimes centuries ago) and whose success is down to the hard work of generations of generations within that firm/family dynasty/sports club etc. FCB is such a dynasty.

In return you can have criminals such as Abramovich whose wealth was stolen (like almost all the wealth of all the other Russian oligarchs) in the 1990's while ordinary Russian suffered, so-called "royal" (barefooted illiterate Bedouins a few centuries ago, sometimes only decades ago as in the case with many of the UAE rulers) families whose relevance and wealth is down to Europeans/Westerners giving them knowledge of what is beneath their sand and who are absolute monarchs and dictators who basically rule their own fiefdoms in the 21st century. Not only that but in the case of Qatar also despicable global terrorist sponsors.

Those same people have now bought up random clubs in Europe and turned them into personal toys while causing a lot of inflation on the transfer market. PSG relevance was created on the backbone of what I have mentioned.

Indeed something to be really proud of.

Another example. You have a hard-working person who starts from the button with nothing and becomes successful due to his hard work and then you have a rich kid who achieves the same only because of inheritance that he has not contributed to at all.

Which one would you respect the most?

There is no discussion. The only persons/football fans that like oil clubs are fans of those same oil clubs or people who want more competition. Aside from greedy agents and clubs who earn a fortune due to those oil clubs often senseless spending.

EDIT: Posted this post by a mistake twice. Will delete my previous post.

 

[Leo_Messi]

Leo, with respect, I truly do not care. Not interested in that conversation in the slightest.

Of course you don't. When have you ever met a Chelsea fan that complains about his club being owned by a criminal such as Abrahmovich or that the same club is used as a toy by that same person?

If you have no principles either you won't care too but many of us do. Hence why most football fans are against the few oil clubs that exist. Luckily for now it's a few.

On the other hand clubs owned by billionaires whose money is owned due to their hard work or brilliance is personally less of a problem for me.

I do dislike the Qatari rulers and I would love if FCB had no ties to that small gas station of a country and their terror sponsoring "royal family". In fact I as a club member am ashamed that my club's shirt's are sponsored by a Qatari firm.

Just like I find it annoying that a legend like Xavi will be an ambassador of the FIFA 2022 World Cup that should never have been awarded to Qatar in the first place. A World Cup that is built on South Asian and African slavery by large.

So yeah, to hell with those owners of those few oil clubs in Europe. In a perfect world they would not have been welcomed in the first place. Especially the Qataris who are the worst of that bunch. By far even.

 

[Jair Ventura]

i said psg were nothing to be jealous of because they are not successful. then you said 'bayern aren't succesful either'. i replied with their european cup wins including a recent one - to which you said ''that was two years ago''.

You stated PSG weren't successful and pointed to Barca defeating them a few weeks ago. Which implies, either because they lost to Barca or because they were ousted in the final 8, they cannot be considered a success. Neither makes sense considering all other context, but it was your statement.

so you're basically saying even a european cup win two ears ago is meaningless, i followed your messed up logic and came to that statment using your logic.

Dortmund was awesome two years ago, too. So, if you're using prior success for the reason why a team is successful in the now it doesn't really hold a lot of weight, but that really wasn't the conversation. Barca busted up Bayern the same way they busted up PSG, so I don't know why one would be considered a success this season and not the other. Look forward, it's more relevant to what we're discussing.

 

[Hamzah]

when i said psg are not successful i was referring to the fact they don't have even one european cup in their trophy cabinet.

i am not using prior success for the reason why a team is successful in the now? i am using it to show that the big clubs have european trophies and therfore would have no reason to feel jealous of psg, a smaller club?

 

[Jair Ventura]

when i said psg are not successful i was referring to the fact they don't have even one european cup in their trophy cabinet.

i am not using prior success for the reason why a team is successful in the now? i am using it to show that the big clubs have european trophies and therfore would have no reason to feel jealous of psg, a smaller club?

Would the combined trophies of Liverpool and AC Milan, both of them for that matter, save them should they have to take the pitch against Paris next season in European competition? Would all of their combined supporters and their past glories provide them with the necessities to compete with Paris on the transfer market? Nope.

Define success how you will, but i'll continue to define it by a clubs ability to win and compete now and in the future.

Edit: @Leo - Spain suffers from an economic crisis, affecting the working class more emphatically than any other. Amidst this, Spanish banks refrain from lending money to small businesses, while assuming huge risk and lending large amounts of money to Real Madrid who operates with a debt of around €600m. These same banks were saved from collapse by the European Union.

Stones, glass houses. That's all I'll say on the matter.

 

[ZenI]

Juvens, let me explain my antipathy against the owners of those oil clubs a bit more.

Imagine a firm/family dynasty/football club etc. for instance that was founded decades (sometimes centuries ago) and whose success is down to the hard work of generations of generations within that firm/family dynasty/sports club etc. FCB is such a dynasty.

In return you can have criminals such as Abramovich whose wealth was stolen (like almost all the wealth of all the other Russian oligarchs) in the 1990's while ordinary Russian suffered, so-called "royal" (barefooted illiterate Bedouins a few centuries ago, sometimes only decades ago as in the case with many of the UAE rulers) families whose relevance and wealth is down to Europeans/Westerners giving them knowledge of what is beneath their sand and who are absolute monarchs and dictators who basically rule their own fiefdoms in the 21st century. Not only that but in the case of Qatar also despicable global terrorist sponsors.

Those same people have now bought up random clubs in Europe and turned them into personal toys while causing a lot of inflation on the transfer market. PSG relevance was created on the backbone of what I have mentioned.

Indeed something to be really proud of.

Another example. You have a hard-working person who starts from the button with nothing and becomes successful due to his hard work and then you have a rich kid who achieves the same only because of inheritance that he has not contributed to at all.

Which one would you respect the most?

There is no discussion. The only persons/football fans that like oil clubs are fans of those same oil clubs or people who want more competition. Aside from greedy agents and clubs who earn a fortune due to those oil clubs often senseless spending.

EDIT: Posted this post by a mistake twice. Will delete my previous post.

I agree about Abra and UAE etc. BUT, we should also problematize the inheritance Barca accumulate and how other clubs (that don't have more or less criminal sugar daddy's) will never catch up with us. Because you see, we're in a powerful position and of course we're lobbying in one way or another for political decisions to be taken in our favour, so that we can retain our position our power. The money from the TV rights being one of these means so we can do just that. But like I said, I agree overall with your post.

 

[Leo_Messi]

I agree about Abra and UAE etc. BUT, we should also problematize the inheritance Barca accumulate and how other clubs (that don't have more or less criminal sugar daddy's) will never catch up with us. Because you see, we're in a powerful position and of course we're lobbying in one way or another for political decisions to be taken in our favour, so that we can retain our position our power. The money from the TV rights being one of these means so we can do just that. But like I said, I agree overall with your post.

I know that money by large is dirty but we should have certain principles despite that. One of them being not using our world famous football shirt as a window for firms from a terror sponsoring dictatorship such as Qatar. My view was no different when Laporta was busy doing dealings with Uzbekistan and Karimov. Besides as I wrote the Qataris are the by far the worst of those 3 (Abramovich and the UAE rulers). It's not even a contest.

A European club that is highly respected worldwide and a club with our values should not have any connection with Qatar whatsoever.

I won't deny that it's all about money in the end but it still annoys me as a person with principles.

Anyway let us get back to discussing Pogba. It seems that we have all went off-topic. I am guilty of that too.

So how do you guys envision a Pogba transfer and how would he strengthen our midfield?

 

[BenRobbins]

Looks like City are making a move for him and uping the Ante.

If he ends up in England and Especially City i will be fuming, traitor with no ambition.

 

[JamDav1982]

Looks like City are making a move for him and uping the Ante.

If he ends up in England and Especially City i will be fuming, traitor with no ambition.

Not exactly a Man Utd legend so how would he be a traitor.

His ambition is what led him to leave for Juventus in first place rather than stay at Man Utd and earn more money in a team he wasnt playing in.

 

[dakt]

I really, really, really, really, really, really, really hope that MC or PSG will buy that overpumped player. They have money to act stupid. Now way I would ever spill 100million for a 22 y.o. player from Seria A!
Dear Lord, what the transfer market has come down to. Barca can be better and buy SMART!

 

[Jair Ventura]

Looks like City are making a move for him and uping the Ante.

If he ends up in England and Especially City i will be fuming, traitor with no ambition.

Hey now, he began his career in France and was purchased by United from a Ligue 2 club. Also, he was born in Paris.


If anything, he's a traitor if he doesn't come home.

 

[BenRobbins]

Not exactly a Man Utd legend so how would he be a traitor.

His ambition is what led him to leave for Juventus in first place rather than stay at Man Utd and earn more money in a team he wasnt playing in.

He has the pick of any club in the world. Barca, Real or Bayern every time. Choosing City is laughable. It's a cop out.

Imagine if Thiago went to Real... The outrage.

Not too similar circumstances but still it is enough to annoy me alot.

Oh well i would't want him at my club anyway, would only want to leave to spain in a few years anyway and couldnt put up with his agent.

 

[Thanos]

He's coming to Barca 😎

 

[JamDav1982]

He has the pick of any club in the world. Barca, Real or Bayern every time. Choosing City is laughable. It's a cop out.

Imagine if Thiago went to Real... The outrage.

Not too similar circumstances but still it is enough to annoy me alot.

Oh well i would't want him at my club anyway, would only want to leave to spain in a few years anyway and couldnt put up with his agent.

Thiago was a Barca player that came through the youth system and played in the first team.

Pogba was a player taken from a French side that Alex Ferguson took Paul Scholes out of retirment to play ahead of and left for less money to get a chance of playing time.

Not same situation at all. Pogba owes nothing to Man Utd.