ceefoo
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You can if you want. Is it any less than Wigan, Birmingham, Portsmouth etc who have all had cup success during Arsenal's trophy drought.
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Haruko The Goon
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And where are they now?
Non existent, mid table and Championship. I know what position I'd rather be in. Ours.
Barry will stay. They can get Lallana instead of Deulofeu. When the manager is good to repplace players is easier.
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How exactly are they Wenger's fault? Players that were normally amazing had awful mental collapses, our midfield in particular, and it had nothing to do with tactics because we've done well in plenty of big games this season with more or less the same midfield, we just had absolutely awful starts.
Are you really saying that professional footballers go out there and don't want to win? Obviously occasionally you play pragmatic and throw on defenders to protect the lead, but from the start of course you want to win...
Well, the club was never short of money, of course not. Once the stadium was built, there still had to be a plan on how to somehow try to compete with clubs of superior financial status. The plan was as we all know a youth project. Offer good wages for promising youngster, develop them over time and save money that way whilst staying competitive. He did manage to build two very promising teams that way but they were destroyed before they had reached their full potential. The players start to believe their own hype, they know they can earn even more money elsewhere and be guaranteed trophies so many of them jumped the ship.
If we evaluate how it all went then I suppose the conclusion could be that it was perhaps a bit naive to put so much faith in the loyalty of the youngsters? But, let's not forget that those teams still reached high levels. Mostly just unlucky not to win one trophy.
The current team is a good mixture of relatively young players and experienced internationals. Another promising team yet to reach its potential. Özil was a sign of intent and a step in the right direction. Striker, holding midfielder and some added depth perhaps. That's all that's needed.
However, the biggest problem is still the management of the squad's fitness. Key players are dropping like flies and have pretty much ruined the season.
Love Wenger but sorry, that's a bit inaccurate. True, the decision making was shocking but the sheer tactical naivety in those games were the problems. The ball retention needs to be absolutely perfect if you want to send so many men ahead of the ball. It's naive, it's crazy to even try that. Luckily, he doesn't really play that kind of gung-ho football at home or in the CL.
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Haruko The Goon
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That's if's and buts though. I'll see how he does in the summer, big transfer window for him.
ceefoo
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None of these clubs are BIG Premier League clubs, just by being in England's top tier, they were over-achieving. Ask any of their fans; would they swap their Trophy victories for being in the prem, and 99% will say - "keep the trophy"
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Haruko The Goon
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None of these clubs are BIG Premier League clubs, just by being in England's top tier, they were over-achieving. Ask any of their fans; would they swap their Trophy victories for being in the prem, and 99% will say - "keep the trophy"
Bare with me while I answer the rest of the replies
They must be sh*t fans in that case.
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Haruko The Goon
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You better concern about arsenal and not everton.
We'll sign a striker this summer, a competent one, and we'll be back to where we belong. Top of the world Baby ! lol
ceefoo
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The players should take responsibility, it is not only the responsibility of the manager to motivate the players. They should have it within themselves as highly paid professional and wear the shirt with pride and honour. However, ALL the players at Arsenal are Arsene's players. He brought every one of them to the club, so if a player has a problem with motivation, then this also falls on the managers head for signing mentally weak players.
You've heard the saying that a football team is built in the managers image?
Pep teams have the same attacking desire and commitment and winning attitude.
Mourinho teams play with the same win at all costs attitude.
Wenger teams play with the 4th place is a trophy attitude.
No I am not saying they don't want to win. They WANT to win, but the are not CONVINCED they will win. That's the big difference. Some players have an abundance of talent but do not possess the mental tools to make them winners. And their are players with a fraction of talent of their peers but have the mental aptitude to take them to the top. Arsenal have some magnificent players and like I said I believe they are only a few players from challenging for major honours, but they won't achieve this with Wenger because he no longer has the brilliance and hunger that he once had.
Kerrybai
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Cup comps are largely based on luck.
Arsenal have done very well over the years. It's obvious to everyone what happened, the teams above them spent a lot of money and Arsenal couldn't keep up. That's down to the owners, not Wenger.
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ceefoo
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Not shit fans. It's because football is about glory and real fans value a trophy in the cabinet and have that etched in history rather than a 4th place finish, even if that 4th place does provide a CL spot.
You can't take your 4th place on an open-top bus parade can you?
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Sir Alupp Heynrguson
I don't think it's motivation that's the mental issue, I don't know what it is but like I said those players did shine in other big games (like the wins against Liverpool and Everton and the draw at the Allianz and beating Napoli and Dortmund and Spurs 3 times), so I think it's just down to collectively terrible days and not so much on the tactics. Perhaps there could have been better decisions, but overall the blame is definitely on the players, the team we fielded on Saturday should not have lost 7-0 to Chelsea.
And another problem is all the players leaving, Nasri and Adebayor being dicks, Fabregas going home, Song wanting a new experience, RVP with a little boy inside him... Arsene built his team around those players and then they left, obviously that's going to hurt a team's chances of success, and I doubt Arsene wanted any of them to leave.
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