Premier League 2017/18

[aaron101]

If you need four goals to win a game you have much bigger problems than Sterling missing a couple of chances.

Well, they indeed have a much bigger problem. After ending the 1st half with 2-0 up, they thought we already had it in the bag (the win and the premier league trophy) and maybe the fans contributed to that by celebrating the title so early in the 1st half. United got nothing to lose and they came back to the game in the 2nd half. City got complacent early and collapsed in the 2nd half.

 

[mesiesta]

RedCafe is celebrating like they won the Champions League or got a chance to win PL there

 

[Cruyff-Total Football]

RedCafe is celebrating like they won the Champions League or got a chance to win PL there

Overreacting kids. They even thought Pep lied about Raiola shithousery just to unsettle Pogba before derby. And there were people defending Raiola as he just did good for his client when he offered Pogba to city and Guardiola mentioning their club player is a classless act

But CAF got some reasonable users too.

 

[Devils]

RedCafe is celebrating like they won the Champions League or got a chance to win PL there

Tbf to them, they saved themselves from a historic embarrassment of City claiming the title beating them.

Pretty much anyone would be happy to come back from from 2-0 down to prevent that from happening, even if City is still going to win the title.

 

[BarcaOG]

pretty pathetic collapse. if pep starts jesus over sterling, city win the league on the day. i think its down to pep's team selection.

 

[Morten]

Next season might not be as easy for City, Pool has already figured out how to fight them, and now, maybe United as well? Also, its been a while since a team defended the title.

 

[Givenchy]

RedCafe is celebrating like they won the Champions League or got a chance to win PL there

thats what 3 years of Mourinho football does to you

what a great game though, Pogba finally making an impact on a big game. City look like they took their foot off the gas in the 2nd half and Sterling was shocking infront of goal, could of been 5 or 6-0 by halftime.

 

[Ursegor]

People have left Barca and gained nothing from it. Pep is getting trashed every season in the CL, Thiago is winning a useless champagne platter every season, Neymar went from being called 2nd best player in the world to fighting for penalties with Cavani in a farmer's league and getting outshone by washed up Ronaldo.

Barca could have used them all and they all would have been better off for it as well. As funny as it is to call him Fraudiola now, he sets up his team as he did today with MSN upfront instead of Sterling getting at the end of those chances and it's 6-0 at half time without exaggeration.

No way Pep gets trashed every season in the CL, Thiago would be heralded as Xavi's successor with a bit more patience (even Sergi Roberto is a starter now at Barca) and Pep would have absolutely turned Neymar into Messi's successor.

Barca is still doing fine all things considered but it's an absolute shame what could have been as well.

 

[Morten]

People have left Barca and gained nothing from it. Pep is getting trashed every season in the CL, Thiago is winning a useless champagne platter every season, Neymar went from being called 2nd best player in the world to fighting for penalties with Cavani in a farmer's league and getting outshone by washed up Ronaldo.

Barca could have used them all and they all would have been better off for it as well. As funny as it is to call him Fraudiola now, he sets up his team as he did today with MSN upfront instead of Sterling getting at the end of those chances and it's 6-0 at half time without exaggeration.

No way Pep gets trashed every season in the CL, Thiago would be heralded as Xavi's successor with a bit more patience (even Sergi Roberto is a starter now at Barca) and Pep would have absolutely turned Neymar into Messi's successor.

Barca is still doing fine all things considered but it's an absolute shame what could have been as well.

Pep is a good coach, but it says something that basically every coach who goes to Barca is at least guaranteed a domestic double, heck, they even won the league without a coach one time.
It a team that coaches itself, basically, the manager is mostly just along for the ride. Cant really rate Barca-managers before they achieve something with other clubs as well.

 

[Cruyff-Total Football]

Pep is a good coach, but it says something that basically every coach who goes to Barca is at least guaranteed a domestic double, heck, they even won the league without a coach one time.
It a team that coaches itself, basically, the manager is mostly just along for the ride. Cant really rate Barca-managers before they achieve something with other clubs as well.

But it's Pep who once again established the Cruyffian principles firmly. He done it with the help of some of the greatest total footballers. He couldn't have done it otherwise. But I still don't think, Barca would be consistent without the Cruyffian principles.

 

[Ursegor]

Pep is a good coach, but it says something that basically every coach who goes to Barca is at least guaranteed a domestic double, heck, they even won the league without a coach one time.
It a team that coaches itself, basically, the manager is mostly just along for the ride. Cant really rate Barca-managers before they achieve something with other clubs as well.

If you are referring to the 12/13 season where Tito went for cancer treatment as "winning without a coach" then you couldn't be more wrong. Tito was a great tactician and it was due to his coaching and formation changes that we could turn losses or draws into wins at the beginning of the season which opened up a huge lead, at some point more than 20 points over Madrid if I remember correctly, and consequently allowed us to go into auto-pilot mode for the rest of the season and made it pointless for Madrid to even try to compete. Tito bagged La Liga in half a season.

For example we played against Osasuna away. They took the lead. Our starting formation was:

Tello-Messi-Alexis
Iniesta-Busquets-Fabregas

Around the 60-70 minute mark Tito made 3 subs. Xavi, Pedro and Villa in, Iniesta, Fabregas and Tello out. He turned the formation into this:

------Alexis------
Villa-Messi-Pedro
Busquets-Xavi

It took exactly 5 minutes after those changes for Messi to score 2 goals while he didn't score for the first 75.

That's just 1 example and there were a lot more. Another coach could just as well do nothing or make like-for-like subs and that's 0 points gained. I don't think any other coach would have even dared to take Iniesta out in a must win game in 2013 by the way. But Tito decided to go 4-2-3-1 with Alexis blocking the CBs for Messi and that was key.

Of course a team of Barca's quality can win many games without a coach against minnows, more so if they have played together already for years but the "coachless season" also gave us the biggest CL embarrasement in recent Barca history (can't actually decide if losing 0-2 to Banter Era Milan or 0-7 to Bayern was worse) as well as 0 victories against Real Madrid throughout the season which is unusual.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Pep is a good coach, but it says something that basically every coach who goes to Barca is at least guaranteed a domestic double, heck, they even won the league without a coach one time.
It a team that coaches itself, basically, the manager is mostly just along for the ride. Cant really rate Barca-managers before they achieve something with other clubs as well.

Pep has won league in both Germany and England(almost) in April, didn't really fail that much in CL even though it wasn't success either.

People have left Barca and gained nothing from it. Pep is getting trashed every season in the CL, Thiago is winning a useless champagne platter every season, Neymar went from being called 2nd best player in the world to fighting for penalties with Cavani in a farmer's league and getting outshone by washed up Ronaldo.

Barca could have used them all and they all would have been better off for it as well. As funny as it is to call him Fraudiola now, he sets up his team as he did today with MSN upfront instead of Sterling getting at the end of those chances and it's 6-0 at half time without exaggeration.

No way Pep gets trashed every season in the CL, Thiago would be heralded as Xavi's successor with a bit more patience (even Sergi Roberto is a starter now at Barca) and Pep would have absolutely turned Neymar into Messi's successor.

Barca is still doing fine all things considered but it's an absolute shame what could have been as well.

Time changes, and while Pep was/is great coach, he is losing a bit of his dominance just like every other manager in the history. And it would have been more drastic with us.
Change is must in life, Pep wouldn't have succeeded much if he stayed, he lost passion and ideas and he himself admitted it.
Both have actually benefited from change, that doesn't take away from what he did. He revolutionized football in every sense of the word,and done that by revolutionizing Barca first

 

[Givenchy]

Pep is a good coach, but it says something that basically every coach who goes to Barca is at least guaranteed a domestic double, heck, they even won the league without a coach one time.
It a team that coaches itself, basically, the manager is mostly just along for the ride. Cant really rate Barca-managers before they achieve something with other clubs as well.

thats some bullshit dude. I won't deny that Pep has taken the easy job every time after Barca (and PSG in a few years next probably) but this idea that anyone can manage Barca or that managers who win at Barca cant be rated is stupid

 

[Ursegor]

Time changes, and while Pep was/is great coach, he is losing a bit of his dominance just like every other manager in the history. And it would have been more drastic with us.
Change is must in life, Pep wouldn't have succeeded much if he stayed, he lost passion and ideas and he himself admitted it.
Both have actually benefited from change, that doesn't take away from what he did. He revolutionized football in every sense of the word,and done that by revolutionizing Barca first

His ideas still work. He hasn't lost anything. 6 games remain for him to win the Premier League with 102 points with a team where I wouldn't take any player except De Bruyne for Barca as a starter. Even for this current Barca which isn't the greatest.

He himself set the expectations so high with the way City played under him throughout the season so a couple of bad results and he "is losing dominance". I don't think so.

 

[DonAK]

Only counting first teams...

Heynckes has been a manager since 1979.

He has won the Bundesliga now 4 times. Champions League two times.

Mourinho has been a manager since 2000.

Won league titles 9 times for Porto, Chelsea, Inter and Real Madrid. He's won the Champions League two times.

Ancelotti has been a manager since 1995

Won only 4 league titles. Champions League three times.

Guardiola has been a manager since 2008

Won the league 7 times in his term with Barca, Bayern and City so far. Won the Champions League two times with Barcelona.



All these guys have had some ATG teams with vast resources, all have suffered humiliating defeats and low points in their careers. As you can see Pep is actually doing quite well and is very dominant given his trophy haul in such a short time.

People here really lack perspective sometimes and behave like scorned lovers. Pep got his flaws like everyone else, but the constant narrative trying to downplay his achievements and his position as one of the best managers in the sport is getting to a ridiculous point now.

The Champions League is NOT and I repeat NOT easy to win. The only reason Barcelona or Real Madrid fans desire one every year and might be more disappointed than anyone else is because Barca got Messi, arguably the greatest of all-time and Cristiano who's turned into a super clutch goalscoring machine in the Champions League.

If it was so easy then a legendary manager like Heynckes who's managed Bayern on two separate occasions, a Gladbach that was at their historic best and Real Madrid, would not have only won two titles in nearly four decades.

Short term memory like ones of goldfishes, entitlement, ungratefulness, the constant need to shit on people that dared leave this club to pursue a career elsewhere that you see with regularity here is just hilariously pathetic.

Edit: Looks like the wrong thread, but too lazy to post is there too so let it be. Saw Pep being mentioned here so assumed this was his thread were people were shitting over him like he's supposed to win 10 CL titles when Ancelotti whom people wank over has won three having been a manager for 13 more years lol.