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But playing kaka on the wing cuts out a big chunk of his game. As a manager you should pick kaká first, and play him in the whole, telling him he has freedom to roam left or right as he pleases. Kaká isnt the kind of player that should be restricted to a wing. You are right that cani, pires etc who are great ball players are played out wide (pires always, cani sometimes), but if you are 'designing' a first XI, it doesnt make sense to pay that amount so kaká can play outwide.
4-2-3-1 is your best bet, but even still i dont like that formation. Unless you ask kaká to play as a support striker alongside forlán (like kun).
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not really Maz i saw him couple of times penetrating from the wings with Milan but i think he will be centered in our formation.. i believe 4-2-3-1 will be the formation (i might be wrong ) cause i don't see Pellegerini opt for a diamond 4-4-2
Kaka would do brilliantly in a 4-2-3-1 formation as a true no 10
Kaka would do brilliantly in a 4-2-3-1 formation as a true no 10
Metaphysical
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4411 is most likely to me.
4231 is also possible with kaka as one of the "wide" roles with higuain, both playing with attacking freedom to run and such which suits both players (and then raul in the hole behind, say, villa). this requires very solid FB's, though.
4231 is also possible with kaka as one of the "wide" roles with higuain, both playing with attacking freedom to run and such which suits both players (and then raul in the hole behind, say, villa). this requires very solid FB's, though.
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This article appeared on http://www.superdeporte.es/ which is the local Valencian sports newspaper. I've picked out the most relevant stuff (in bold) to us and had a go at translating it.
Madrid y Liverpool se pelean por Silva
Madrid and Liverpool fight for Silva.
El club inglés hizo saber a su agente que el canario interesa, pero no han hecho ninguna oferta ya que ahora están centrados en la salida o no de Xabi Alonso
The english club have made it known to his agent that they are interested in Silva, but have not made an offer as it now depends on whether Xabi Alonso leaves Liverpool or not.
David J. Silva tiene contrato con el Valencia hasta el 30 de junio de 2013, pero Florentino Pérez quiere contar con él para su proyecto y el Liverpool no se olvida del ´Mago´ de Arguineguín después de que el club de Mestalla rechazara en el mes de marzo una propuesta inicial de 18 millones de euros más el ariete Voronin, operación a la que no dieron luz verde ni Fernando ni Javier Gómez.
David Silva has a contract with Valencia until 2013, but Florentino Perez wants to count on him for his project and Liverpool have not forgot about the 'magician' from Arguineguin after Valencia rejected an initial bid of €18m plus Voronin in March. An operation that didn't receive the green light from Fernando and Javier Gomez.
¿Logrará en esta ocasión el VCF retener esta temporada a Silva? Sólo con el tiempo se despejará la incógnita, aunque de momento, según aseguraron a SUPER fuentes de la entidad ché, no se ha recibido ninguna propuesta del Real Madrid ni por Silva, David Villa ni Raúl Albiol, los tres jugadores del Valencia que tienen Jorge Valdano y Pardeza en mente. Ahora bien, una vez Florentino Pérez ha sido proclamado presidente, las operaciones que tiene en mente van a intentar coger forma, aunque él sabe que hasta el próximo lunes el VCF no va a cerrar ninguna venta porque así lo decidió el Consejo de Administración en su última reunión, pero tienen previsto hablar esta semana con sus agentes.
¿Qué papel tiene ahora el Liverpool? La última vez que conversaron los agentes del grancanario con los dirigentes ´Reds´ fue hace tres semanas, y el mensaje que les transmitieron fue claro: «Seguimos interesados en Silva, pero aún estamos pendientes del presupuesto de fichajes que vamos a tener disponible».
What role do Liverpool have now? The last time Silva's agents spoke to the Reds delegates was three weeks ago and the message they transmitted was clear: "We are still interested in Silva, but that will depend on the budget we have available".
Ahora mismo, el Real Madrid está intentando cerrar el fichaje de Xabi Alonso, considerado por Florentino como «el mejor pasador de Europa», ya que el Liverpool no va a dejar salir al jugador natural de Tolosa por una cantidad inferior a la marcada por Rafa Benítez de 35 millones de euros.
Si Florentino da su beneplácito a la operación, el Liverpool invertirá parte de esta cantidad en fichajes y en ese momento será cuando vuelvan a llamar a la puerta del Valencia para tratar de convencer al ´Mago´ de Arguineguín. Otra cosa será la propuesta que le llegue a las arcas del Valencia, ya que el Liverpool no está dispuesto a participar en una subasta pública por Silva, como evidenció cuando Eduardo Maciá —Director Deportivo del Liverpool— se reunió con Fernando y Javier Gómez en el mes de marzo, ya que en esos momentos la Juventus también le había transmitido formalmente al VCF una oferta. En el momento en que trascendió el interés por el canario, a Rafa Benítez no le tembló el pulso para afirmar públicamente que Silva no le interesaba.
If Florentino welcomes the transaction (Alonso to Madrid), Liverpool will spend part of this money on new signings and at this moment that will be when they return to Valencia's door to try to convince Silva to sign. Another thing is that the offer will reach the coffers of Valencia, as Liverpool are not willing to participate in a public auction for Silva as evidenced when Eduardo Macia met with Fernando and Javier Gomez in March, when Juventus had also made a formal offer to Valencia for Silva. The moment that the interest in Silva became noticed, Benitez was not afraid to publicly announce that Silva did not interest him.
Los Reds trabajan con sigilo, de ahí que no estén dispuestos a que sus movimientos se sepan, aunque eso no ha significado que le hicieran saber al agente de Silva que seguía teniendo cabida en el proyecto de su próximo curso.
¿Qué piensa Silva? De momento, el jugador de Arguineguín está centrado en recuperarse cuanto antes de los problemas musculares que le han impedido disputar los últimos tres partidos de liga, pero está totalmente al margen de lo que ocurra con su futuro hasta que cualquier club que esté interesado llegue a un acuerdo con el VCF. La temporada de Silva aún no ha acabado, ya que como estaba previsto fue incluido en la lista de 23 jugadores que disputarán la Copa Confederaciones, de ahí que prefiera estar totalmente ajeno a su futuro para rendir al máximo. El Real Madrid está convencido de que el VCF no va a tener fácil retener a David J. Silva, más cuando el pasado verano el Barça ya le intentó fichar y ya se hizo un notable esfuerzo económico para retenerlo en sus filas mejorándole el contrato. Javier Gómez, máximo responsable a día de hoy de las operaciones que realiza la entidad, tiene claro que a pesar de que el equipo no haya logrado clasificarse para la próxima edición de la Champions no va a malvender a sus figuras, ya que así no se lograría mejorar la economía del club.
El Madrid intentará adelantarse al Liverpool para fichar a Silva, aunque ahora los Reds están en la recámara.
Madrid will try to get in front of Liverpool to sign Silva, but the reds are in the best position.
Madrid y Liverpool se pelean por Silva
Madrid and Liverpool fight for Silva.
El club inglés hizo saber a su agente que el canario interesa, pero no han hecho ninguna oferta ya que ahora están centrados en la salida o no de Xabi Alonso
The english club have made it known to his agent that they are interested in Silva, but have not made an offer as it now depends on whether Xabi Alonso leaves Liverpool or not.
David J. Silva tiene contrato con el Valencia hasta el 30 de junio de 2013, pero Florentino Pérez quiere contar con él para su proyecto y el Liverpool no se olvida del ´Mago´ de Arguineguín después de que el club de Mestalla rechazara en el mes de marzo una propuesta inicial de 18 millones de euros más el ariete Voronin, operación a la que no dieron luz verde ni Fernando ni Javier Gómez.
David Silva has a contract with Valencia until 2013, but Florentino Perez wants to count on him for his project and Liverpool have not forgot about the 'magician' from Arguineguin after Valencia rejected an initial bid of €18m plus Voronin in March. An operation that didn't receive the green light from Fernando and Javier Gomez.
¿Logrará en esta ocasión el VCF retener esta temporada a Silva? Sólo con el tiempo se despejará la incógnita, aunque de momento, según aseguraron a SUPER fuentes de la entidad ché, no se ha recibido ninguna propuesta del Real Madrid ni por Silva, David Villa ni Raúl Albiol, los tres jugadores del Valencia que tienen Jorge Valdano y Pardeza en mente. Ahora bien, una vez Florentino Pérez ha sido proclamado presidente, las operaciones que tiene en mente van a intentar coger forma, aunque él sabe que hasta el próximo lunes el VCF no va a cerrar ninguna venta porque así lo decidió el Consejo de Administración en su última reunión, pero tienen previsto hablar esta semana con sus agentes.
¿Qué papel tiene ahora el Liverpool? La última vez que conversaron los agentes del grancanario con los dirigentes ´Reds´ fue hace tres semanas, y el mensaje que les transmitieron fue claro: «Seguimos interesados en Silva, pero aún estamos pendientes del presupuesto de fichajes que vamos a tener disponible».
What role do Liverpool have now? The last time Silva's agents spoke to the Reds delegates was three weeks ago and the message they transmitted was clear: "We are still interested in Silva, but that will depend on the budget we have available".
Ahora mismo, el Real Madrid está intentando cerrar el fichaje de Xabi Alonso, considerado por Florentino como «el mejor pasador de Europa», ya que el Liverpool no va a dejar salir al jugador natural de Tolosa por una cantidad inferior a la marcada por Rafa Benítez de 35 millones de euros.
Si Florentino da su beneplácito a la operación, el Liverpool invertirá parte de esta cantidad en fichajes y en ese momento será cuando vuelvan a llamar a la puerta del Valencia para tratar de convencer al ´Mago´ de Arguineguín. Otra cosa será la propuesta que le llegue a las arcas del Valencia, ya que el Liverpool no está dispuesto a participar en una subasta pública por Silva, como evidenció cuando Eduardo Maciá —Director Deportivo del Liverpool— se reunió con Fernando y Javier Gómez en el mes de marzo, ya que en esos momentos la Juventus también le había transmitido formalmente al VCF una oferta. En el momento en que trascendió el interés por el canario, a Rafa Benítez no le tembló el pulso para afirmar públicamente que Silva no le interesaba.
If Florentino welcomes the transaction (Alonso to Madrid), Liverpool will spend part of this money on new signings and at this moment that will be when they return to Valencia's door to try to convince Silva to sign. Another thing is that the offer will reach the coffers of Valencia, as Liverpool are not willing to participate in a public auction for Silva as evidenced when Eduardo Macia met with Fernando and Javier Gomez in March, when Juventus had also made a formal offer to Valencia for Silva. The moment that the interest in Silva became noticed, Benitez was not afraid to publicly announce that Silva did not interest him.
Los Reds trabajan con sigilo, de ahí que no estén dispuestos a que sus movimientos se sepan, aunque eso no ha significado que le hicieran saber al agente de Silva que seguía teniendo cabida en el proyecto de su próximo curso.
¿Qué piensa Silva? De momento, el jugador de Arguineguín está centrado en recuperarse cuanto antes de los problemas musculares que le han impedido disputar los últimos tres partidos de liga, pero está totalmente al margen de lo que ocurra con su futuro hasta que cualquier club que esté interesado llegue a un acuerdo con el VCF. La temporada de Silva aún no ha acabado, ya que como estaba previsto fue incluido en la lista de 23 jugadores que disputarán la Copa Confederaciones, de ahí que prefiera estar totalmente ajeno a su futuro para rendir al máximo. El Real Madrid está convencido de que el VCF no va a tener fácil retener a David J. Silva, más cuando el pasado verano el Barça ya le intentó fichar y ya se hizo un notable esfuerzo económico para retenerlo en sus filas mejorándole el contrato. Javier Gómez, máximo responsable a día de hoy de las operaciones que realiza la entidad, tiene claro que a pesar de que el equipo no haya logrado clasificarse para la próxima edición de la Champions no va a malvender a sus figuras, ya que así no se lograría mejorar la economía del club.
El Madrid intentará adelantarse al Liverpool para fichar a Silva, aunque ahora los Reds están en la recámara.
Madrid will try to get in front of Liverpool to sign Silva, but the reds are in the best position.
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The Vidic story is in the Spanish press.
Nándor
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Kaka, His Agent & Milan Have Agreed To World Record-Breaking Real Madrid Transfer - Sid Lowe
The Madrid-based British journalist believes that a deal is in place for Kaka to join Real Madrid from Milan...
Madrid-based British journalist Sid Lowe has claimed that a deal is already in place which will see Kaka join Real Madrid from Milan for a world record-breaking fee this summer.
The Brazil international, it is claimed, could join los Blancos for a staggering €65 million (£56m), smashing the previous world record of €55m (£47.3m), held since 2001 when Zinedine Zidane moved from Juventus to the Santiago Bernabeu.
"The deal is in place," Lowe told Sky Sports News.
"There's an agreement between Real Madrid and AC Milan and of course between Real Madrid and the player, and perhaps just as importantly, Real Madrid and the father and agent, Bosco Leite, who was one of the stumbling blocks yesterday, because there was a bit of an argument over the size of his commission.
"What won't happen yet is for [the transfer] to be formally announced. AC Milan and Real Madrid have discussed this; they want it to be discussed at the back end of this week or early next week.
"It appears the figure is in the region of €64-65 million, although there are sources from the other side of the negotiations, with Chelsea trying to get involved, [suggesting] that the fee could actually be €9m-10m higher than that."
Asked how Florentino Perez might have progressed so well with the negotiations, Lowe replied, "In the first instance he has a very good relationship with [Milan vice president] Adriano Galliani.
"They met at at the offices of Florentino's company, ACS, in Madrid, and went through negotiations.
"During his last time at Real Madrid, [Perez] developed relationships with all the biggest clubs across Europe.
"The other factor is that he's running a club that players still want to go to, despite the fact Real Madrid have been slightly chaotic over the last five or six years."
Kaka recently released a statement affirming his desire to stay with the Rossoneri, but Lowe believes this was just a tactic to buy himself some breathing space.
"Nothing's really changed, what's changed is that we're now aware that Kaka was maybe trying to get himself peace," Lowe remarked.
"He didn't really care what he said, he just wanted to get people off his back.
"There was a very interesting comment from Jorge Valdano, the new director general of Real Madrid, saying, 'At this time of year, you have to be very, very careful what people say. Don't believe what people tell you, and by that I include myself as well.'"
Lowe also stated that the chances that Chelsea may steal in and take Kaka to Stamford Bridge are very slim.
"I think that's very unlikely," Lowe stated.
"My understanding is that not only are Real Madrid very confident the deal is almost done, but also privately that Chelsea have pretty much thrown in the towel.
"They believe that it's too late, they believe that Kaka wants to join Real Madrid not Chelsea, and they believe they won't get him.
"AC Milan are happy to sell, but they're not saying anything. Real Madrid are briefing that they think they've got him, and Chelsea are briefing that they haven't. Therefore, we have to assume that it's all done."
Lowe also stated that Kaka will not be the only Galactico to join los Merengues this summer.
"[Florentino Perez] will sign more players; he's very, very keen in adding more than one Galactico this year," Lowe said. "He wants to have two, maybe even three, and a series of Spanish stars as well. He's after David Villa and David Silva."
Asked where the funds will come from for the marquee signing, Lowe responded, "There isn't any money at Real Madrid. Most people are getting turned down [by the banks for money] but Real Madrid won't be."
Asked whether Cristiano Ronaldo will be on the list of potential signings, Lowe stated, "There's no doubt he will be.
"He's a player Real Madrid would like, he's a player Real Madrid believe would help them bring in the income they need. Florentino Perez believes that superstars are the best way to make money."
Lowe also revealed that he expects players to depart the Bernabeu this summer to raise transfer funds, most notably their clan of Dutch internationals.
"Even very good players, like Wesley Sneijder and Arjen Robben, are players Real Madrid would like to get rid of if they can find buyers," he explained.
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just one question, wasn't zidane way more expensive than the 55m € sid lowe claims???!!! i have something in the region of 75m € in mind.
could be the diffrence between € and pound back then and € and pound as it is today???
The Madrid-based British journalist believes that a deal is in place for Kaka to join Real Madrid from Milan...
Madrid-based British journalist Sid Lowe has claimed that a deal is already in place which will see Kaka join Real Madrid from Milan for a world record-breaking fee this summer.
The Brazil international, it is claimed, could join los Blancos for a staggering €65 million (£56m), smashing the previous world record of €55m (£47.3m), held since 2001 when Zinedine Zidane moved from Juventus to the Santiago Bernabeu.
"The deal is in place," Lowe told Sky Sports News.
"There's an agreement between Real Madrid and AC Milan and of course between Real Madrid and the player, and perhaps just as importantly, Real Madrid and the father and agent, Bosco Leite, who was one of the stumbling blocks yesterday, because there was a bit of an argument over the size of his commission.
"What won't happen yet is for [the transfer] to be formally announced. AC Milan and Real Madrid have discussed this; they want it to be discussed at the back end of this week or early next week.
"It appears the figure is in the region of €64-65 million, although there are sources from the other side of the negotiations, with Chelsea trying to get involved, [suggesting] that the fee could actually be €9m-10m higher than that."
Asked how Florentino Perez might have progressed so well with the negotiations, Lowe replied, "In the first instance he has a very good relationship with [Milan vice president] Adriano Galliani.
"They met at at the offices of Florentino's company, ACS, in Madrid, and went through negotiations.
"During his last time at Real Madrid, [Perez] developed relationships with all the biggest clubs across Europe.
"The other factor is that he's running a club that players still want to go to, despite the fact Real Madrid have been slightly chaotic over the last five or six years."
Kaka recently released a statement affirming his desire to stay with the Rossoneri, but Lowe believes this was just a tactic to buy himself some breathing space.
"Nothing's really changed, what's changed is that we're now aware that Kaka was maybe trying to get himself peace," Lowe remarked.
"He didn't really care what he said, he just wanted to get people off his back.
"There was a very interesting comment from Jorge Valdano, the new director general of Real Madrid, saying, 'At this time of year, you have to be very, very careful what people say. Don't believe what people tell you, and by that I include myself as well.'"
Lowe also stated that the chances that Chelsea may steal in and take Kaka to Stamford Bridge are very slim.
"I think that's very unlikely," Lowe stated.
"My understanding is that not only are Real Madrid very confident the deal is almost done, but also privately that Chelsea have pretty much thrown in the towel.
"They believe that it's too late, they believe that Kaka wants to join Real Madrid not Chelsea, and they believe they won't get him.
"AC Milan are happy to sell, but they're not saying anything. Real Madrid are briefing that they think they've got him, and Chelsea are briefing that they haven't. Therefore, we have to assume that it's all done."
Lowe also stated that Kaka will not be the only Galactico to join los Merengues this summer.
"[Florentino Perez] will sign more players; he's very, very keen in adding more than one Galactico this year," Lowe said. "He wants to have two, maybe even three, and a series of Spanish stars as well. He's after David Villa and David Silva."
Asked where the funds will come from for the marquee signing, Lowe responded, "There isn't any money at Real Madrid. Most people are getting turned down [by the banks for money] but Real Madrid won't be."
Asked whether Cristiano Ronaldo will be on the list of potential signings, Lowe stated, "There's no doubt he will be.
"He's a player Real Madrid would like, he's a player Real Madrid believe would help them bring in the income they need. Florentino Perez believes that superstars are the best way to make money."
Lowe also revealed that he expects players to depart the Bernabeu this summer to raise transfer funds, most notably their clan of Dutch internationals.
"Even very good players, like Wesley Sneijder and Arjen Robben, are players Real Madrid would like to get rid of if they can find buyers," he explained.
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just one question, wasn't zidane way more expensive than the 55m € sid lowe claims???!!! i have something in the region of 75m € in mind.
could be the diffrence between € and pound back then and € and pound as it is today???
Nándor
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wow..thats more than 10 pages in a day..Is there anything i missed out except for the Kaka part??Is it official now ?
not official yet...but besides the whole kaka' saga, de la red played some minutes in a benefit match and scored a penalty :beer2:
Poor_Sunyol
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Nope his figure is spot on.
shadows
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wow..thats gr8..Good that he's back playing.,..
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