Real Madrid (old thread)

[El Gato]

Higuain for my money is RM best and most valuable player so far this season.

That is incorrect on so many levels, but I don't blame you because of your love towards Higgers.

Pipa is the better goal-scorer. Since your club don't value him all that much (seeing how much he's earning) and your machine works better with your current heartthrob Benzema than with Gonzo. Do us all fans of La Albiceleste a favour, will you? please sell him to a club where he can start regularly. A striker of his caliber isn't meant to be a back-up whatever club. It's criminal. And it's heart breaking to 've to see our #9 being reduced to one. Now Adebarndoor is a back-up you can buy to adorn your bench. Don't mess with our boy.

Oh I don't want him to go either and neither does Mourinho. Pipa is just 24 years old and can still learn to be more involved in the plays without having to sacrifice his goalscoring instincts. The problem with him is that he has to have the chances and space handed to him on a silver platter when constructing attacks and doesn't contribute in ball movement nowhere near as much as Benzema does going down as deep as halfway line and then playing tonnes of one-twos.

Do you know why Mourinho gives him more chances? Because Benzema fits the system AFTER having adjusted to it. He was crap for the first part of the last season too and then had to step it up, because of Higuain's injury and he did, big time and became one of the best forwards in the world. If Higgers can do the same and continue to show ambition to improve and step up to the plate then Mourinho will have more of a headache on who to select instead of going for a system safe option.

I don't understand what is that keeps people from stating the obvious. Currently Benzema is the second best complete forward in La Liga and Top3 player for Real Madrid this season. Had Madrid played with two strikers, these two would surely be an immense force. Higuain just needs to keep his head up and continue working, that's what he is known for. Stop bashing the player just, because he was bought for 35mln and didn't deliver initially.

 

[barcelonista]

It's really no surprise that Mourinho prefers a physically strong centre forward who can shield the ball, dribble, pass, drop deep to contribute in build up play and play on the wing as well ahead of a "fox in the box" kind of player that Higuain is currently. Higuain has a slightly better goal per minute ratio. Benz therefore has like 3 times more assists than Gonzo. His movement has caused us all sorts of problem in the last Clasico. Including a nice square ball inbetween Pique and Puyol to Ronaldo from the left wing which the latter blasted into row Z. I agree with Manuel here. Benz is the more complete player. Some of you don't really believe Mourinho is benching Higuain because he is Argentinian, do you? What's going on in this thread?

 

[Pepe Silvia]

Still for what he does Higuain is a better player. Meaning:

Higuain the striker > Benz the all around

For me atleast. I like the way Higuain doesn't hug all over CR nuts either the way Benz and co do. Higuains like you come to ME bitch... gangster.

 

[El Gato]

That second last sentence I agree with. He is so good as a poacher that he makes Messi hug all over his nuts when playing for Argentina.

Higuain the poacher*

 

[Maria]

The problem is that RM already has a poacher:Cristiano..and I believe that's why Mourinho preffers Benzema.
Benzema's overall play is much better the Higuain's ánd with Ozil's form this year, the frenchman has been vital. I believe that him and Di Maria have been Real's best players this year(although Cristiano's or Ozil's stats may say otherwise).

 

[zanela]

That second last sentence I agree with. He is so good as a poacher that he makes Messi hug all over his nuts when playing for Argentina.

Higuain the poacher*

Is he? I'll 've to see if Gio approves of that.


He was winning you games single-handedly when you didn't 've a certain Cristiano or Benzema in your team. Now all of a sudden he's become a mere poacher. Not good enough to start ahead of the Frenchman. I'm sure the Getafe, Malaga, and Zaragoza goals 09/10 wre put on a plate for him. Granted, Benzema's holdup play & passing is better but gonzalo is a far superior goal threat, but also a consistent one. He also presses better than any of your strikers. But if you're looking at assisting your superstar with a 'subordinate' forward, then Gonzo is def not your man. That also extends to the National team.

I'm with La Furia..Free Higgy!

 

[El Gato]

I'm don't want that, Mourinho seems to. I don't think any madridista loves seeing Benzema start ahead of Gonzo after his Pellegrini season. I'm far more of a fan of Gonzo's scoring talents, his goals and game are way more spectacular and old-school, just the way I love football. But that doesn't change the fact that in Mou's system Ronaldo has the role of a sole finisher with nice and very capable sidekicks at his side. Pellegrini's system was more balanced offensively, but the mental block was an issue so he was dropped.

He also presses better than any of your strikers.

Benzema is just as good, but mostly nowadays it's Di Maria running his lungs out pressuring the ball more often than all our strikeforce combined.

So in conclusion, I would love to see Gonzo in Benzema's spot or better yet, alongside him, the Raul-Ronaldo kind of relationship, but how it actually should have been. Sadly it will only happen when Ronaldo gets pissed at lack of titles and goes back to United along with Mourinho.

 

[Catalonian Devil]

Benzema is no doubt a better overall footballer as many have already stated but reducing Higuain to a mere poacher is being criminally unjust to the Argentinian.

One thing Benzema lacks that Higuain brings to the table is the ability to take over games and put the team on his back. If RM are not playing well Benzema's level usually reflects that of the team, he is not nearly as effective when RM are not playing well as a unit. Higuain however has the ability to lead his team when their down, he has a winning mentality, that is a stat you cannot measure.

 

[ricknattery]

I like Higuain, not only as a player but also his personality and friendship with Messi, but right now Benzema deserves to be ahead. The guy has been inmense this season(last season is when he started justifying his wages). This last games especially if were not for him, RM would have lost some points and classification in Copa. He has a refined technique and has become deadly in front of goal, it's a joy to watch.
Higuain should start ahead of Cristiano though, then RM would be a serious treat against Barca and no way that will happen, so unless the portuguese leaves next season, Higuain should find another top club, he would be a starter(as he deserves) but with Benzema on this form and Cristiano being undeservedly immovable I don't think he has a chance

 

[ricknattery]

If RM are not playing well Benzema's level usually reflects that of the team, he is not nearly as effective when RM are not playing well as a unit. Higuain however has the ability to lead his team when their down, he has a winning mentality, that is a stat you cannot measure.

Don't agree with that
RM games from this year(especially in copa) have shown a Benzema capable of putting the team on his back and leading them to victory while the rest of the team has been pretty much shit(offensively)

 

[gingerless]

should just bench CR and start higuain if u know what's good for ya

excellent!

 

[Manuel Traquete]

I like Higuain, not only as a player but also his personality and friendship with Messi, but right now Benzema deserves to be ahead. The guy has been inmense this season(last season is when he started justifying his wages). This last games especially if were not for him, RM would have lost some points and classification in Copa. He has a refined technique and has become deadly in front of goal, it's a joy to watch.
Higuain should start ahead of Cristiano though, then RM would be a serious treat against Barca and no way that will happen, so unless the portuguese leaves next season, Higuain should find another top club, he would be a starter(as he deserves) but with Benzema on this form and Cristiano being undeservedly immovable I don't think he has a chance

This is a ridiculous suggestion tbf. There's no way in hell any sane manager will bench a player who can score 50 goals in a season. Cristiano has scored 87 goals in 80 La Liga matches at Madrid (112 in 115 overall), these are pretty incredible numbers. He's undoubtedly one of the greatest goalscoring machines the sport has ever seen.

Cristiano is deservedly immovable, there's no way Higuain (or Benzema for that matter) can match his production. Even if he did nothing else on the pitch (which is not the case) this 1 goal per game ratio would be more than enough reason to make him an indisputable starter. Real Madrid's front line is Ronaldo + 2, no two ways about that.

 

[jamrock]

No he is one of the great examples of the law of averages

 

[Metaphysical]

No he is one of the great examples of the law of averages

exactly.

he doesn't score 1 goal every game. he's scores 4 in one game, then none for 5 games, then 3 in one and 4 in the next, then none for 7, etc. etc.

 

[Catalonian Devil]

exactly.

he doesn't score 1 goal every game. he's scores 4 in one game, then none for 5 games, then 3 in one and 4 in the next, then none for 7, etc. etc.

Might be wrong but I think he is referring to the huge amount of shot attempts he has game in game out.