Real Madrid (old thread)

[beef-supreme]

And this matters because? Ibra didn't stay and they paid Samu's wages. There goes the "Eto'o was not transferable cause nobody wanted to pay his wages"-theory.


You said no team was willing to pay his wages, obviously you were wrong.

Anyway, how can you possible argue that his value is zero? Inter valued him at 20M according to yourself. He was a valuable bargaining chip according to all you cules. Now how can you possible say his value was zero, are you all fucking retarded? I don't care how many woulda coulda shoulda crap you come up with, fact is Inter took him and valued him as an important part of the deal, therefore his value was not zero to you. Simple.

You people are fucking hilarious. On one side you say Eto'o was the reason you paid 46M and not 70M to Inter, because they valued him at around 20M. At the same time you say you didn't pay 70M but only 46M because the value of Eto'o was zero. And you actually think you are making sense, it's fucking hysterical.



35M you get from selling Eto'o plus part of the 46M you paid now maybe? Jesus.


Ofc they would have sold him for 70M, they are not retarded. 70M is a ludicrous amount for Ibra, they would have carried him to Barcelona themselves if necessary.

I don't get why you're being so narrow-minded - about 3 times now I've said that Eto'o was conditionally non-transferrable, and when he would have been transferrable the result wouldn't have satisfied Barca.

Yes I was wrong because I took the 3 big EPL teams + City out of the frame, but anyway there's no proof that any of Manu, Chelsea and Arsenal would want Eto'o in the first place. And even if I was wrong about the wage thing, it doesn't matter because my overall point stands. With the money we gain, we couldn't afford Ibra or Villa, the only 2 strikers who meet our needs.

Once again quoting the "second side" of your comment, I DID NOT say Eto'o's value was zero. Eto'o's value to INTER was 20M because they NEEDED him, and Eto'o also had a purely cash value to City, but since no other team would buy him (as I honestly don't think the big 3 from the EPL would get him) then his value would indeed be zero, as we would not sell him and he would go on a free, thus we would gain ZERO from him as an asset. I don't get why this is so hard to understand:
Eto'o value:
Inter - 20M (solely in Ibra deal)
City - 35M (solely cash)
Other clubs - 0M (solely pick up on free transfer next year)

Why is that so hard to understand? You seem an intelligent guy.

And as for the "of course they will sell him for 70M" - that is what I don't really agree with. Because what other striker is out there on the market, worth between 0 and 70M, who could come in and fill Mourinho's needs? Nobody aside from Eto'o.

why not attainable ?

1-35 (citeh price ) + 46 (what you paid for Ibra without even the mention of Hleb ) that's a good old 80 Million u could buy anyone

2- Ibra would attainable be considering Inter asking price was 70 Mil before u started looking for Villa and than back to Ibra..

3- as i said if u offered 20 Million as a price for Eto'o plenty of clubs would come and take him..Lyon paid 26 for Lisandro Lopez ffs , Inter paid 20 for Milito (older than Eto'o ) .. i could go on forever .. u didn't and he was worth something a big thing, u announced Eto'o was worth 20 Million , Mino Raiola (Ibra agent and the broker of the deal ) announced Eto'o was worth 20 Million .. so his zero value for u is a makeover to lower the deal in your eyes


conclusion .. u could have afforded any striker if u did sell Eto'o .. the main problem is that u lot are trying to live in denial in terms of what u paid after what u'r president kept saying u lot feel ashamed of doing the same thing u criticized Real for doing

u guys are really making this funny..

1. Yes Beast, but who? Who could we buy who would instantly fit? I am 100% positive that Villa wouldn't be sold no matter what. And Ibra is a better purchase than Forlán in the long-term. So NO MATTER the cash, Ibra is virtually our only solution. If we sell Eto'o to City we end up having no experienced striker to play in CF (unless Henry plays there, in which our squad looks insanely thin) for a year, until we buy Ibra for 60-70M cash, as a new replacement becomes available for him and Inter are willing to sell OUTSIDE of a player exchange deal.

2. I never ever heard Inter going on about a cash deal, there were ALWAYS talks about Eto'o, and I sincerely don't believe that they would sell without lining up a replacement in the form of Eto'o.

3. Nope, just cause clubs can afford the TRANSFER FEE they couldn't afford the wages. I used to think that Eto'o was intending to play out his contract with Barca so that he can leave to Mallorca on a free, and Mallorca can still give him higher wages. It's not a question of transfer fee. Eto'o demands so much that only a select few can offer to place him within the salary cap.

4. I don't get it Beast, what are you talking about denial? I have said twice already that Txiki messed up, that this deal was a ripoff for Barca...
At the same time, I am saying that this was the only physical possibility for the deal to happen.
Also I don't entirely disapprove of what happened because I wanted to get rid of Eto'o, for ages now.
I just came onto here to explain why Eto'o's value would be zero without Inter's deal and perhaps, now that you mention, City's cash. I started out saying it was conditional. I think that you are right to criticise the deal, because Barca were ripped off. Well if Ibra proves himself then the good old Pérez remarks about never paying too much money for a great player (+ shirt sales) will stand true. However, clearly the saga that Madrid has gone through this summer with the massive spending has made you super defensive about these kinds of discussions, and you're unfairly dismissing the notion that while we may disapprove of the sums, the deal sort of needed this to happen.

 

[Beast]

Ok since you want to talk down to me or you are simply unaware of the what was going on (which is worse ) .. here is the last thing i'll reply to u .. and i hope u try to understand or comprehend cause i would expect the above reply from Esteve but not u Peter

1- who ? don't ask who .. that's a BS reply my friend for 80 Million Euro all strikers are available .. Valencia wanted 50 Million u stood still on 42 ,Aguero release clause is 50 .. for 60 Liverpool would sell u Torres TWICE.. the reason u didn't get any bidders par city is due to your tart management wanted similar money to what citeh was offering.
Please don't make like no body wanted Eto'o you are disrespecting him and those debating with you ..
.. at least out of respect for Sammy..

2- U never heard ? u were absent during classes ? or u were not in the forum in June ? u know that little dinner between Moratti and Laporta ? go back to Ibra thread or go search before u reply

3- all big clubs can afford Eto'o wages.. he earned 7.5 and wanted 9 from u ... that's very affordable for all big clubs it's not like he wanted 15 Mil , if u did offer him for 20 Million I'm 10000000 % sure Milan would have paid it instead of taking Huntelaar

4- u are living in Denial , you are finding a hard time acknowledging the fact that Barca paid 70 Million for Ibra.. it's not about Txiki messing up (we didn't even discuss that ) it all comes down to this.. Barca DID pay 70 Million for Ibra Officially and for real..according to your club official statement, Ibra official agent and Inter books..
u guys on the other hand want to make it 45 ... so yes you are living in denial

and no you will never find a Madridista on defensive in terms of paying money we always did since the 50's ..
if anyone on defensive and does look silly it's you guys u have too actually after what your management said and did.. but seriously Eto'o value is zero is the worst bullshit u can ever come up with

 

[Necro Spaaw]

Eto would never go to Milan since Ronaldinho is there.

We wouldnt fucking part wit Eto this season for any fee since we wouldn't have a replacement.

And Inter would ask 80-90M€ for Ibra, Moratti said they value him AT LEAST AS RONALDO. it's Reals fault really.
Ibra was the highest paid player in the world until CR saga, and he means the world to Inter, so don't talk shit.
Ibra had 5 years on his contract, for god's sake.
Besides, Pep wanted Ibra, and I'm glad he gets to build the team.
Eto was a neusiance, and we wanted a change.


This was a good deal, no matter how much it's controversial in all of your eyes.
It was THE ONLY VIABLE OPTION, REALLY.
Barca got the best striker in the world imo, for 46million euros.
Yes, he is better than Villa and brings alot of different aspects to the team. You'll see.

Anyways, we are not debating that, sorry, but I had to say it. ^

Inter never would have accepted a cash deal unless it was insane money.
We can't exactly afford to go Madridesque on the transfer targets without going in red.

So both us and Inter got wat we wanted. And yes, Eto WAS worth zero.
He was worth 35mill to City, but he wouldn0t go there.

Eto only wanted to go to one of the Champs League big clubs, and Barca wouldn0t allow him to go for a cash deal because then we would have only Bojan.

Now we got our big change, got rid of Eto, and got a winner-mentality monster in the team.

Whatever, Beast & Abbadon, if you guys can't accept this, then fine- cules are living in denial.
Who gives a shit anyways
pce

 

[Evil]

I agree with you Necro, you can't put a price on an unsettled player who has only 1 year left on his contract. He refused to sign a 2 year renewal which means he was willing to leave the next season for a free transfer, I believe we got the better end of the deal. Ibra is a monster, Villa would have given us the same thing Eto'o did, maybe with a little better finishing .. but it wouldn't have added anything different, Zlatan will give us incredible physical presence in the box, he can score headers, that's something we didn't have before ...

I know most of you don't agree with this ... but I believe Ibra is the best striker in the world currently, good shooting, physical strength, good finishing, heading, ball control .... everything a striker needs. You'll see ... with a few matches everyone will realize what a good deal this is.

 

[Beast]

Eto would never go to Milan since Ronaldinho is there.

We wouldnt fucking part wit Eto this season for any fee since we wouldn't have a replacement.

And Inter would ask 80-90M€ for Ibra, Moratti said they value him AT LEAST AS RONALDO. it's Reals fault really.
Ibra was the highest paid player in the world until CR saga, and he means the world to Inter, so don't talk shit.
Ibra had 5 years on his contract, for god's sake.
Besides, Pep wanted Ibra, and I'm glad he gets to build the team.
Eto was a neusiance, and we wanted a change.


This was a good deal, no matter how much it's controversial in all of your eyes.
It was THE ONLY VIABLE OPTION, REALLY.
Barca got the best striker in the world imo, for 46million euros.
Yes, he is better than Villa and brings alot of different aspects to the team. You'll see.

Anyways, we are not debating that, sorry, but I had to say it. ^

Inter never would have accepted a cash deal unless it was insane money.
We can't exactly afford to go Madridesque on the transfer targets without going in red.

So both us and Inter got wat we wanted. And yes, Eto WAS worth zero.
He was worth 35mill to City, but he wouldn0t go there.

Eto only wanted to go to one of the Champs League big clubs, and Barca wouldn0t allow him to go for a cash deal because then we would have only Bojan.

Now we got our big change, got rid of Eto, and got a winner-mentality monster in the team.

Whatever, Beast & Abbadon, if you guys can't accept this, then fine- cules are living in denial.
Who gives a shit anyways
pce

Eto'o would go for any CL club.. and you are already in the red.. u made a profit of 5 Million Euro last season (official figures ) those 46 u paid are a loan deal not cash u have .. u lost your TV court case and have to pay money for the TV channel and paid 39 Million Euro as bonus for the players .

Eto'o wanted to stay (official several times and still he don't know why left - official again )
he wasn't unsettled and didn't want a change ( nice making stories Necro ) he wanted to renew.. u offered the same money (7.5 ) he wanted a raise (9 Mil ) he didn't agree to sign with the same conditions.. u got Ibra and paid him more than what Eto'o wanted...

u did pay insane money (in Inter eyes and your books ) for Ibra.. whether u sold Eto'o for any club for 20 and added those 46 + Hleb deal all adds up to the 70 Inter requested ..

No your club could get any player considering u already have the 46 + Hleb (5 or 3 i can't remember ) plus whatever u got out of Eto'o sale.. u can offered Ibra , Villa , Torres or any striker

Ibra contract duration means nothing if a club and the player want to leave.. Ronaldo also had a 5 year contract, Kaka had a 4 year contract ..

at the end Ibra paid value is 70 Million .. whether he is better or not it's a matter of opinion and not subject for discussion .. the discussion is simply how much Barca paid ..
u pay 70 or 170 is nothing to be ashamed off.. it's those ridiculous attempts to make it just 46 + Eto'o value is zero is what we are laughing about

 

[John Antonio Bilboa]

I don't get why you're being so narrow-minded - about 3 times now I've said that Eto'o was conditionally non-transferrable, and when he would have been transferrable the result wouldn't have satisfied Barca.

Yes I was wrong because I took the 3 big EPL teams + City out of the frame, but anyway there's no proof that any of Manu, Chelsea and Arsenal would want Eto'o in the first place. And even if I was wrong about the wage thing, it doesn't matter because my overall point stands. With the money we gain, we couldn't afford Ibra or Villa, the only 2 strikers who meet our needs.

Once again quoting the "second side" of your comment, I DID NOT say Eto'o's value was zero. Eto'o's value to INTER was 20M because they NEEDED him, and Eto'o also had a purely cash value to City, but since no other team would buy him (as I honestly don't think the big 3 from the EPL would get him) then his value would indeed be zero, as we would not sell him and he would go on a free, thus we would gain ZERO from him as an asset. I don't get why this is so hard to understand:
Eto'o value:
Inter - 20M (solely in Ibra deal)
City - 35M (solely cash)
Other clubs - 0M (solely pick up on free transfer next year)

Why is that so hard to understand? You seem an intelligent guy.

And as for the "of course they will sell him for 70M" - that is what I don't really agree with. Because what other striker is out there on the market, worth between 0 and 70M, who could come in and fill Mourinho's needs? Nobody aside from Eto'o.





1. Yes Beast, but who? Who could we buy who would instantly fit? I am 100% positive that Villa wouldn't be sold no matter what. And Ibra is a better purchase than Forlán in the long-term. So NO MATTER the cash, Ibra is virtually our only solution. If we sell Eto'o to City we end up having no experienced striker to play in CF (unless Henry plays there, in which our squad looks insanely thin) for a year, until we buy Ibra for 60-70M cash, as a new replacement becomes available for him and Inter are willing to sell OUTSIDE of a player exchange deal.

2. I never ever heard Inter going on about a cash deal, there were ALWAYS talks about Eto'o, and I sincerely don't believe that they would sell without lining up a replacement in the form of Eto'o.

3. Nope, just cause clubs can afford the TRANSFER FEE they couldn't afford the wages. I used to think that Eto'o was intending to play out his contract with Barca so that he can leave to Mallorca on a free, and Mallorca can still give him higher wages. It's not a question of transfer fee. Eto'o demands so much that only a select few can offer to place him within the salary cap.

4. I don't get it Beast, what are you talking about denial? I have said twice already that Txiki messed up, that this deal was a ripoff for Barca...
At the same time, I am saying that this was the only physical possibility for the deal to happen.
Also I don't entirely disapprove of what happened because I wanted to get rid of Eto'o, for ages now.
I just came onto here to explain why Eto'o's value would be zero without Inter's deal and perhaps, now that you mention, City's cash. I started out saying it was conditional. I think that you are right to criticise the deal, because Barca were ripped off. Well if Ibra proves himself then the good old Pérez remarks about never paying too much money for a great player (+ shirt sales) will stand true. However, clearly the saga that Madrid has gone through this summer with the massive spending has made you super defensive about these kinds of discussions, and you're unfairly dismissing the notion that while we may disapprove of the sums, the deal sort of needed this to happen.

+1 Madridista Mind Meltdown

 

[Abaddon]

+1 Madridista Mind Meltdown

you really don't even read these posts, do you? Just check who wrote it, support cule, mock Madridista. It's quite pathetic.

Anyway, reading these posts is bloody hilarious, I'm starting to think you guys have actually convinced each other that you are right

 

[blueduck]

Come on guys, spread the love.

 

[Poor_Sunyol]

Ok since you want to talk down to me or you are simply unaware of the what was going on (which is worse ) .. here is the last thing i'll reply to u .. and i hope u try to understand or comprehend cause i would expect the above reply from Esteve but not u Peter

1- who ? don't ask who .. that's a BS reply my friend for 80 Million Euro all strikers are available .. Valencia wanted 50 Million u stood still on 42 ,Aguero release clause is 50 .. for 60 Liverpool would sell u Torres TWICE.. the reason u didn't get any bidders par city is due to your tart management wanted similar money to what citeh was offering.
Please don't make like no body wanted Eto'o you are disrespecting him and those debating with you ..
.. at least out of respect for Sammy..

2- U never heard ? u were absent during classes ? or u were not in the forum in June ? u know that little dinner between Moratti and Laporta ? go back to Ibra thread or go search before u reply

3- all big clubs can afford Eto'o wages.. he earned 7.5 and wanted 9 from u ... that's very affordable for all big clubs it's not like he wanted 15 Mil , if u did offer him for 20 Million I'm 10000000 % sure Milan would have paid it instead of taking Huntelaar

4- u are living in Denial , you are finding a hard time acknowledging the fact that Barca paid 70 Million for Ibra.. it's not about Txiki messing up (we didn't even discuss that ) it all comes down to this.. Barca DID pay 70 Million for Ibra Officially and for real..according to your club official statement, Ibra official agent and Inter books..
u guys on the other hand want to make it 45 ... so yes you are living in denial

and no you will never find a Madridista on defensive in terms of paying money we always did since the 50's ..
if anyone on defensive and does look silly it's you guys u have too actually after what your management said and did.. but seriously Eto'o value is zero is the worst bullshit u can ever come up with

Firstly I have to say that I love this desperate attempt to make it look like we have been as foolish as you in the transfer market. We lost a little bit of cash on the Pleb transfer, about €6/7mil, and the same again on Caceres but that is a drop in the ocean compared to the millions you have spent on a handful of players and the money you have (or will do) on some key signings that were made last year, it could add up to as much as €35mil wasted.
In reply:
1- You have conveniently forgotten that Samu was looking to get a huge lump of cash by moving clubs on a Bosman and getting a massive signing on fee. In order to achieve this he made sure that his salary demands were so high that nobody would be able to match them apart from Man City, who he could refuse on sporting grounds. It would not have made any difference if we had dropped his price to €5mil as he would have refused to sign anyway.
2- The discussion with Moratti was about Maxwell.
3- Again...Eto’o wanted to leave on a free to get a huge signing on fee. He would have even moved to City if we would have paid him €13mil from the transfer.
4- We signed Ibra officially for €46mil. The rest of what you write is pure speculation on your part.

 

[Beast]

Firstly I have to say that I love this desperate attempt to make it look like we have been as foolish as you in the transfer market. We lost a little bit of cash on the Pleb transfer, about €6/7mil, and the same again on Caceres but that is a drop in the ocean compared to the millions you have spent on a handful of players and the money you have (or will do) on some key signings that were made last year, it could add up to as much as €35mil wasted.
In reply:
1- You have conveniently forgotten that Samu was looking to get a huge lump of cash by moving clubs on a Bosman and getting a massive signing on fee. In order to achieve this he made sure that his salary demands were so high that nobody would be able to match them apart from Man City, who he could refuse on sporting grounds. It would not have made any difference if we had dropped his price to €5mil as he would have refused to sign anyway.
2- The discussion with Moratti was about Maxwell.
3- Again...Eto’o wanted to leave on a free to get a huge signing on fee. He would have even moved to City if we would have paid him €13mil from the transfer.
4- We signed Ibra officially for €46mil. The rest of what you write is pure speculation on your part.

u buried yourself Sunny ...
to answer number 4- u signed Ibra for 46 Plus 20 Million for Eto'o according to your own official club statements .. in case u missed the Ibra presentation it was repeated like zillion times on BARCA TV plus what turned out to be Hleb going on the other direction as part of Maxwell deal than a different independent loan deal was eventually part of Eto'o transfer which came to the light when Hleb refused the move and u had to pay extra money as part of Ibra deal
the discussion with Moratti was about Ibra...

man u need to come with better than this if u want to real be contradicting what your club said .. u'r losing your touch Sunny

you really don't even read these posts, do you? Just check who wrote it, support cule, mock Madridista. It's quite pathetic.

Anyway, reading these posts is bloody hilarious, I'm starting to think you guys have actually convinced each other that you are right

damn right

 

[Poor_Sunyol]

The only person claiming that the club has said that it was €46mil + €20mil is you. That is what you are basing your argument on and as many people on here have pointed out, that is incorrect. Eto'o was worth nothing to Barca, we got the best out of a difficult situation.

 

[Beast]

The only person claiming that the club has said that it was €46mil + €20mil is you. That is what you are basing your argument on and as many people on here have pointed out, that is incorrect. Eto'o was worth nothing to Barca, we got the best out of a difficult situation.

OMG
Who said it's me making it out ? no one even said it's false.. everyone who watched the presentation heard it & saw it and even CA took the burden to translate it to everyone as well ..

... u'r losing your edge old man what will u do during the season

 

[Poor_Sunyol]

I am saying you are making it up.

 

[Beast]

it's your medicine

 

[Abaddon]

On a lighter note, Wesley's girl is even hotter than VDV's.