Real Madrid (old thread)

[dalitis8]

Thats a pretty long shot when you consider that, in the past 20 years, only one coach has managed to keep the job for that long, and he still got fired after winning 2 European Cubs, 1 Intercontinental, 1 European super-cup, 2 Liga and 1 Supercopa de España.

I don't see mourinhol staying past the 2nd year, and he'll only make it past the first if he wins something.

Boring football + no titles = fired

Could not agree with you more....

 

[Gnegneri]

Yeah, this is totally different than his previous successes imo.

Real isn't like Chelsea or Inter, they were just happy to finally win something. Even if that meant half of the supporters had to die because of the boring shit depicted on the pitch. At Real you need to win in style, certainly given the fact how football is being played in Camp Nou nowadays. Beast said immediately: "welcome Mourinho, hope you don't bore me to death." I think most of us on this board have a way different view on football than other countries.

That said I think he will take some silverware, simply because footbal is a cycle and Barcelona were on top the previous two years.

 

[dalitis8]

Yeah, this is totally different than his previous successes imo.

Real isn't like Chelsea or Inter, they were just happy to finally win something. Even if that meant half of the supporters had to die because of the boring shit depicted on the pitch. At Real you need to win in style, certainly given the fact how football is being played in Camp Nou nowadays. Beast said immediately: "welcome Mourinho, hope you don't bore me to death." I think most of us on this board have a way different view on football than other countries.

That said I think he will take some silverware, simply because footbal is a cycle and Barcelona were on top the previous two years.

Do you think that Real Madrid will be content with only(!)La Liga for the upcoming season..especially if they fail to beat Barca again?

 

[gvt2000]

Do you think that Real Madrid will be content with only(!)La Liga for the upcoming season..especially if they fail to beat Barca again?

Depends on their role in champions league and the style they deploy to win la liga. Capello is the best example of what happens to a Madrid coach who wins la liga with boring fooball. Mourinho will get fired if he only manages to win la liga after boring the fans to death.

 

[Gnegneri]

I don't know, everyone knows what Mouinho stands for on and off the pitch. So does Perez. Why does he sign him? La Furia has asked the question already: do they just want silverware regardless of their image? There isn't really another explanation for hiring Mourinho given the background of what Perez wants Real to be.

I mean, Inter has won the treble as well, but won't be anywhere near Barcelona in the great teams list. To win, style doesn't matter. To be the greatest, you need more than winning. And I don't think Perez aims any lower than that. Real wants to be more than Mourinho's Inter or Mourinho's Chelsea, they actually have to match Pep's Barcelona.

I feel Mourinho will bring Real prizes but will also annoy too many people. It will be doable in his first year cause it will be a honeymoon time but after that he will run out of fuel.

 

[dalitis8]

I don't know, everyone knows what Mouinho stands for on and off the pitch. So does Perez. Why does he sign him? La Furia has asked the question already: do they just want silverware regardless of their image? There isn't really another explanation for hiring Mourinho given the background of what Perez wants Real to be.

I mean, Inter has won the treble as well, but won't be anywhere near Barcelona in the great teams list. To win, style doesn't matter. To be the greatest, you need more than winning. And I don't think Perez aims any lower than that. Real wants to be more than Mourinho's Inter or Mourinho's Chelsea, they actually have to match Pep's Barcelona.

I feel Mourinho will bring Real prizes but will also annoy too many people. It will be doable in his first year cause it will be a honeymoon time but after that he will run out of fuel.

Valid points...

In my mind,only if they win the CL with him will they tolerate his pathetic brand of football...

 

[silky_soccer]

Hear what? The fact that his friend suddenly was to be the referee between his side and Barcelona? Why didn't Benquerenca attend against CSKA?

& Don't cross the line jamie.

My bad, was a joke.. Sorry anyhow.

 

[Beast]

Yeah, this is totally different than his previous successes imo.

Real isn't like Chelsea or Inter, they were just happy to finally win something. Even if that meant half of the supporters had to die because of the boring shit depicted on the pitch. At Real you need to win in style, certainly given the fact how football is being played in Camp Nou nowadays. Beast said immediately: "welcome Mourinho, hope you don't bore me to death." I think most of us on this board have a way different view on football than other countries.

That said I think he will take some silverware, simply because footbal is a cycle and Barcelona were on top the previous two years.

I don't know, everyone knows what Mouinho stands for on and off the pitch. So does Perez. Why does he sign him? La Furia has asked the question already: do they just want silverware regardless of their image? There isn't really another explanation for hiring Mourinho given the background of what Perez wants Real to be.

I mean, Inter has won the treble as well, but won't be anywhere near Barcelona in the great teams list. To win, style doesn't matter. To be the greatest, you need more than winning. And I don't think Perez aims any lower than that. Real wants to be more than Mourinho's Inter or Mourinho's Chelsea, they actually have to match Pep's Barcelona.

I feel Mourinho will bring Real prizes but will also annoy too many people. It will be doable in his first year cause it will be a honeymoon time but after that he will run out of fuel.

Yes to a great extent , he said in Real he will play differently .. whatever the hell that means ..

analyzing him (not excusing his style ) he did play in a different way with each stage of his club career , Porto was different than Chelsea and different than Inter
whatever tactic he will use will be clear once the transfer window come to an end .. there is given concept like team unity , sum greater than the individual , solid back line , tough DM , machine like midfielder who go the extra mile in defense & attack to link and aid both .. the formation could be different all together given the fact that Real does have a different players than Inter.
it's the ultimate challenge for any manager IMO , it won't be like Inter or Chelsea cause Real does have a much bigger support /fan base than both Inter + Chelsea .. so the likes of Marca will entertain his character and piss off people in Catalaonia .
we have a way more demanding fans and gaining success in the Spanish capital is considered the hardest task for any manager .
I made my wishes but i don't know what his plan will be but knowing Jose he may surprise many just to prove a point

Depends on their role in champions league and the style they deploy to win la liga. Capello is the best example of what happens to a Madrid coach who wins la liga with boring fooball. Mourinho will get fired if he only manages to win la liga after boring the fans to death.

I'd take a bet that scenario won't happen.. if he win the liga he will stay .. i'd go as far as saying even if he don't win the liga or the CL he will stay in Real for at least 2 years

 

[Aryagorn]

I'd take a bet that scenario won't happen.. if he win the liga he will stay .. i'd go as far as saying even if he don't win the liga or the CL he will stay in Real for at least 2 years

Of course!! After having invested so much in him they can't afford to kick him out immediately... I'm sure the compensation money would be immense which even Real can't bear

 

[Beast]

It's not/never about the money but also other managerial setup which i'm totally against i just hope it won't come true

 

[Abaddon]

Mourinho will play good football at Madrid, cules are trying to convince themselves he won't to hide their own insecurities about his hiring.

The football he showed with Inter was pretty dull and defensive-minded, yes, mostly in Europe. In Serie A it was ok, certainly by Italian standards, they still managed 75 goals which isn't bad in that league.

His Chelsea side played solid football. Not super-exciting, not oozing with creativity, but still solid & entertaining. The perception here is based mostly on the meetings with Barca, in which he (as any sane man would) played a defensive-minded game.

His Porto side played excellent football considering the resources he had available.

I understand many cules would find any brand of football not relying on 70% possession and endless passing in the mid section boring, but I'd be content if Mourinho can bring what he did at Chelsea, with a little extra (shouldn't be too hard considering the personnel he'll have available here).

 

[FCBarca]

You have a future in politics, Abaddon, with that sort of spin...Mourinho wouldn't know open football if it bit him in the arse...He's merely perfected the art of subterfuge and controversy along with parking the proverbial bus

 

[Nándor]

analyzing him (not excusing his style ) he did play in a different way with each stage of his club career , Porto was different than Chelsea and different than Inter
whatever tactic he will use will be clear once the transfer window come to an end .. there is given concept like team unity , sum greater than the individual , solid back line , tough DM , machine like midfielder who go the extra mile in defense & attack to link and aid both .. the formation could be different all together given the fact that Real does have a different players than Inter.

I made my wishes but i don't know what his plan will be but knowing Jose he may surprise many just to prove a point

personally i think and already said that, that mourinho is smart enough to know exactly what is expected from him at madrid regarding the boring football part. he ain't dumb and baring in mind, that real madrids current players can't be compared with those of inter in terms of offensive power, i'd say the first few months (as usual) will be tough to watch. but apart from there on, once the team knows what mourinho wants, i think he will surprise a lot of people.

the comming season might be a bit similar to van gaal's first season at bayern. let the man/men work in peace and they will deliver via their respectiv team.

that's a bit confusing...you made your wishes??? care to explain???

 

[Beast]

Mourinho brand of football is you score 4 , we score 4 and qualify on away goals ...

 

[Barcafan 2304]

Indeed

Why Jose Is Right Man For Madrid...




It wasn't just the pain of the disastrously early exits from the Copa del Rey and the Champions League that sees Manuel Pellegrini completing just half of his two-year contract with Real Madrid - although that certainly didn't help his case.

Nor was it the failure to bring the Primera title back to the Bernabeu. After all, the eventual 96-point haul and 102 goals scored by Madrid should have been more than enough to win la Liga.

What really cooked Pellegrini's goose was the Chilean's truly-uninspiring performance in April's 2-0 defeat to Barcelona on Madrid's home turf - a performance that left his role at the club all-but untenable.

While his stage-struck side spent much of the clash trying to break Barcelona rather than beat them, Pellegrini was rooted to the bench instead of taking the lead in the technical area.

His Catalan counterpart Pep Guardiola was waving and cajoling, shouting and screaming. The Barcelona boss knew full well that these pitch-side fist pumps are for the benefit of the fans and cameras. Footballers never listen to anything the manager says once the game gets going.

But that didn't matter.

And that's because it was Guardiola who looked like he was the real boss of the Bernabeu. Pellegrini was just another dumb tourist trying out the seats on the stadium tour.

This image of total impotence from Pellegrini was unacceptable at a club trying to claw its way back to being the best in Europe and spending an awful lot of money in the process.

Whilst Real Madrid fans may respect the laid-back ways of the avuncular coach, what they were desperate for as their manager on that disastrous night was a leader with the biggest pair of cojones ever seen, someone who would stand up to Barcelona and then smack them down.

They wanted a manager who would tease and taunt their rivals, a psychological genius to scratch away at their easily-exposed insecurities. They wanted Barcelona's Bogeyman. They wanted José Mourinho.

And now they've got him.

For the most part, Real Madrid's regular managerial firings have been for fairly baffling reasons - especially in the cases of the last three coaches who won the title.

Vicente del Bosque was too quiet, Bernd Schuster was too loud and Fabio Capello was too boring, making the two Bernabeu presidents responsible for their dismissals sound more like Goldilocks rather than serious decision-making bosses.

It is easier to understand why Pellegrini has been jettisoned after just one season in charge, especially bearing in mind that he was never really wanted by his boss in the first place.

When Florentino Pérez took control of the club last summer, Rafa Benítez and Arsene Wenger were the two managers that the new president's heart most desired, with the Frenchman reportedly having meetings with the Bernabeu boss to discuss the possibility of a move.

Having failed to lure either of the Premier League pair to the Spanish capital and with Mourinho still in love with the Italian league, Madrid's sporting director Jorge Valdano brought in the distinctly lo-fi Manuel Pellegrini from Villarreal - a studious, subdued character in stark contrast to the surround-sound cacophony of Cristiano Ronaldo.

It was Valdano who then had to talk Pérez down from firing Pellegrini in October after an embarrassing defeat in the Copa del Rey to lowly Alcorcón. And he had to repeat the feat with yet another knock-out failure in the Champions League, this time to Lyon.

That stumble now looks even more costly for Pellegrini, considering that Madrid would only have needed to have found a way past Bordeaux and Bayern to reach a final that was being held in their own stadium.

But everything eventually came up roses for Real Madrid on Saturday night with Inter Milan's comfortable victory over the German champions.

Throughout the week, the hype over the Special One's super powers had been building and building in Spain, with Marca its cheerleader-in-chief.

The Inter boss even made the most remarkable of decisions by giving a full interview with the paper where he happily answered all questions over his managerial future, despite the Champions League final being just days away.

"I want to manage Real Madrid one hundred percent," claimed Mourinho, who said that were he to leave Inter - something that he will now be doing - then he would do so "with a clear conscience".

The former Chelsea boss also used the interview to ease the doubts of those still sceptical that he will be unable to work alongside a sporting director and all-powerful club president.

'Not a problem' was Mourinho's message with the argument that "it is just a question of knowing who is who and who does what" and the observation that he worked very successfully alongside Marco Branca - someone who plays a similar role as Valdano at Inter.

'The perfect coach doesn't exist but it can be said that the Portuguese manager is the nearest to it and what Madrid need after a terrible spell under Pellegrini,' was Marca's conclusion after their cosy chat.

With the Sunday Times writing that a four-year deal was struck between Madrid and Mourinho last Friday, there can only have been two questions being asked in any interview that took place: can the Portuguese coach win the Champions League for Madrid and most importantly of all, can Mourinho beat Barcelona - the twin obsessions of all Madridista minds.

The answer to the first is that the soon-to-be Madrid boss has now won the tournament twice with two different clubs. The response to the last question is yes. Repeatedly.

Of course, there is the danger of dour, defensive football at the Bernabeu that the locals simply will not support and a repeat of the abuse suffered by Fabio Capello.

There could be clashes over signings and sales and Real Madrid's peculiar transfer policy - a policy that offloaded Arjen Robben and Wesley Sneijder and is trying to force top scorer Gonzalo Higuaín from the club.

And there will almost certainly be ugly spats with Spain's sports press, who will be at their brilliantly bombastic best at the twice-weekly sparring sessions with Madrid's new manager - something that was a fairly dull affair under the impossible-to-provoke Pellegrini.

But all that will be forgiven and forgotten if Mourinho brings down Barcelona and makes Pep Guardiola look like yesterday's news.

What Madrid really want from their coach is someone who is the undisputed boss of the Bernabeu. And after watching Mourinho's masterly display on Saturday night, few can have any doubts that that's exactly what they've got.

Tim Stannard
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I posted it here cause it's related to why Manu was dismissed

Agree with that article. Seems to me, as an outsider looking in, that the problem for Real recently has been moulding a team full of big named players and personalities into a team. One thing you can say about Mourinho (love him or hate him) is that there will be no doubt who will be the boss there and things will be done his way. From this perspective, Mourinho is good for Real.