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Metaphysical

Bomb Dropper
the villa signing is essential.

it only "hinders" bojan, as pedro is fairly useless in LW (but damn-near world-class in RW) and really it's no hindrance because villa is a fantastic role model for bojan who will help him learn and improve as he matures naturally. it also provides us with a world-class goal-getter, which we have lacked with eto'o's departure and henry's decline.

the di maria signing is superfluous because he's been signed for great cost to essentially be a squad player. given cristiano's superior performances in LW when compared to RW, pedro leon will probably be the starter when really his signing is more of a squad player signing. and of course you already have competent LW squad players on your books (marcelo and drenthe) and could have spent the di maria money on a much-needed LB instead of stacking attackers.
 

Cule Angles

Visca el filòsof!
I know but i also didn't mean it's this season ..
this is the first time we give a manager a 4 year contract.. do u know how significant that is ?

I'll leave you some food for thought read this

Jose & Pep Change Places In La Liga



The football season in Spain still has over a week to go before it finally gets going, but everything is already a touch topsy-turvy with la Liga's supreme beings, Barcelona and Real Madrid.

The narrative in recent years reads that the president of the Camp Nou likes to humour his managers by affording them a certain freedom in the hiring and firing of players. The coach's job at Real Madrid tends to be given as much importance as the poor soul responsible for oiling up Cristiano Ronaldo's pre-match pecks. Come to think of it, the latter still had more say at the club than Manuel Pellegrini did during his one and only year under Florentino Pérez.

However, these roles have been reversed over the pre-season in what has been a fairly dramatic shift in the balance of power at both clubs.

Soon after being dismissed for the crime of not being José Mourinho, Pellegrini admitted what everyone pretty much knew was the lot of the coach at Real Madrid under Florentino Pérez - that if the footballing statues in Spain allowed the inflation of a manager-shaped figure on the bench like the auto-pilot in 'Airplane' then that's exactly what the club president would do.

However, pesky regulations require someone both qualified and alive to be nominally in charge of the team, although that still wasn't much help for Pellegrini who confessed to having neither "a vote nor a voice" whilst at Madrid. Instead, his bosses "sold players I thought were important" - namely Arjen Robben and Wesley Sneijder - moves that fundamentally messed with the Chilean's plans for the season.

Meanwhile, the more laissez-faire former Barcelona president Joan Laporta - who ended his two-term tenure at the Camp Nou in July - allowed Pep Guardiola to do more or less what he wanted in terms of transfers, thanks in part to the six trophies he won. This explains the still baffling Samuel Eto'o plus cash deal for Zlatan Ibrahimovic, a move that swapped a fine striker for whom he had no 'feeling' with a frequently misfiring forward, whilst knocking the club's coffers for six in the process.

Whilst Guardiola and Laporta had a fairly close relationship, the same cannot be said for the new president Sandro Rosell. The former Nike marketing head (and VP in the early years of Laporta's tenure) and the outgoing president's chosen successor fought out a deliciously spiteful campaign before Rosell won the eventual poll with 61% of the vote.

And in his short spell in the charge of the club, Rosell seems to have done everything he could to upset his manager, including stalling on negotiations to extend the contract of a less than enthusiastic Guardiola to June 2011.

Pep favourites Yaya Touré and Dmytro Chygrynskiy were sneakily sold by Rosell with the excuse that the books had to be balanced after the purchase of David Villa. However, no-one truly knows what the state of play with Barcelona's accounts is with claim and counter-claim - and the occasional insult - on the healthiness of the club's finances from both the new and old board members.

"He's a fearful and sinister director," spat one member of Barcelona's board, Alfons Godall on the new finance head, Javier Faus.

Rosell also sidelined Pep confidante Johan Cruyff and dismissed Guardiola's sporting director, Txiki Begiristain, before failing to land Cesc Fabregas and - for the moment, anyway - Javier Mascherano, a much-needed replacement for Touré.

The latest battle between the pair is over the future of Ibrahimovic, a player who Guardiola staked an awful lot of his professional reputation on and continues to have faith in - but one that his bosses are reportedly desperately keen to either sell to Manchester City or send out on loan to AC Milan.

"For the good of the institution (of Barcelona) it's best if I don't say anything about Ibra," shrugged a sullen Guardiola when questioned on his striker's future last Friday.

In contrast, life couldn't be any better for rival, José Mourinho, who appears to have become the first manager in recent Real Madrid history who is actually allowed to do his job. Rather than the traditional routine at the club where the coach is handed a player who is pretty and sells lots of shirts, Mourinho is able to pick and choose his targets with the arrivals of Sami Khedira and Ricardo Carvalho as proof positive of his influence.

But Mourinho showed that he was the one wearing the trousers at Madrid from day one at his first press conference. Sat next to the newcomer at the Santiago Bernabeu was the club's very flustered director general and right-hand man to Florentino Pérez, Jorge Valdano.

And the first thing that the former Argentinean international said after his introduction of Mourinho was to explain away his comments from the infamous 'sh*t on a stick' article in Marca in 2007, that doubted the managerial abilities of the former Inter boss - and Rafa Benítez too - because he had never made it as a player.

All the time he was spluttering his excuses, Mourinho gave him his best 'I own your ass' expression. Since that watershed moment, transfer demands have been communicated - often through the press - and have largely been met when possible.

It remains to be seen whether this culture change at Madrid is down to a rethink on the club's transfer strategy from Florentino Pérez - who blew €100m on the ineffectual Kaká and Karim Benzema last summer - or if is because it is quite impossible to say 'no' to his new manager.

However, it is clear that it is the Madrid coach who is in a considerably happier mood at the start of the season with a smirking Mourinho giving the starting line-up of the side to face Standard Liege on Tuesday two days early, telling the second-guessing press that "they won't be wrong this time" with their predictions.

Pep Guardiola could not have looked more glum after the 3-1 defeat to Sevilla in the first leg of the Spanish Super Cup just a few hours before with the worsening relationship with his club president very much on his mind.

"If they have come to blows in just a month-and-a-half, imagine how it could end...in the final part of the season" wrote Eduardo Inda, the director of the Madridista Marca enjoying the sight of institutional uncertainty and a coach who isn't trusted at the Camp Nou, for once.

After all, that's something that normally happens a little closer to home.


There are several glaring inaccuracies in this article, which undermine the writer's argument. Firstly Yaya wasn't "sneakily sold", nor was he a "Pep favourite", we all know why Yaya left and it had nothing to do with Rosell. Secondly Rosell didn't dismiss Txiki, the Basque had already announced long before the elections that he wouldn't continue once Laporta left, although Sandro's desire to find a replacement for Txiki was equally well known. The writer also claims that Sandro stalled on Pep's contract negotiations which as anybody who followed the process knows is patently untrue given that the contract negotiations started pretty much straight after the elections and only Pep's insistance of carrying on his habit of limiting his commitment to 12 months at a time caused a minor delay because the board wanted a greater commitment. As ever Tim Stannard's grasp on the truth is tenuous at best, he's entertaining as a writer but lacks the insight to be a proper journalist.
 

Ryan_Cule

barça amor d mi alma
Ibra , Pedro, Bojan .. 2 of them will be all the time.. so why buy Villa if you have three players in his place..
doesn't than hinder Bojan , Pedro and Ibra "Potential "

or are you two so buried in your butts you are actually talking out of your asses ? you can't see that the point you are making apply more to Barca than Real ?

your statement shows that you count players as par their positions but if you analyse both Villa`s signing & di maria`s then just read what meta said . That`s the whole point,imo.
 

Beast

The Observer
Oi! I'm the only one here with my head up my own arse, Hamzah is no longer participating in this discussion, got it!?

No, we were confused as to why Real Madrid would sign two young prospects for the same position. Actually 3 with Ozil? Playing regularly at their ages is extremely important for their development, since they are not yet completed articles. Villa on the other hand is amongst the top 3 players for his position, adding him only strengthens our squad and his vesatility only broadens our options. I'm not 100% sure if Pedro Leon is restricted to the wings, but Di Maria certainly is and signing him could stunt his progression if he is restricted to a limited amount of games.

duh , Ozil is a central AM .. thought that was obvious but clearly you are clutching @ straws .
same thing can apply for Di Maria..competition for places , broaden our options and all that jazz.. let me know when you leave the hole


the villa signing is essential.

it only "hinders" bojan, as pedro is fairly useless in LW (but damn-near world-class in RW) and really it's no hindrance because villa is a fantastic role model for bojan who will help him learn and improve as he matures naturally. it also provides us with a world-class goal-getter, which we have lacked with eto'o's departure and henry's decline.

the di maria signing is superfluous because he's been signed for great cost to essentially be a squad player. given cristiano's superior performances in LW when compared to RW, pedro leon will probably be the starter when really his signing is more of a squad player signing. and of course you already have competent LW squad players on your books (marcelo and drenthe) and could have spent the di maria money on a much-needed LB instead of stacking attackers.

And Pedro played as LW most of the time and scored his best goals as a LW with Messi on the other side.. but of course now he is useless as a LW just to suite your argument :lol:
and for the 326523626 time both Marcelo and Drenthe (if he stay ) are LB .. just because you want to play him as LM doesn't mean he didn't spend most of his career with Real and Brazil as a LB .. that reminds me of GVT counting Lass as a defender
stuff like having competition in places , great bench to avoid injuries is not counted when some biased cule's trying to find an excuse for their fairly obvious contradictions

have fun
There are several glaring inaccuracies in this article, which undermine the writer's argument. Firstly Yaya wasn't "sneakily sold", nor was he a "Pep favourite", we all know why Yaya left and it had nothing to do with Rosell. Secondly Rosell didn't dismiss Txiki, the Basque had already announced long before the elections that he wouldn't continue once Laporta left, although Sandro's desire to find a replacement for Txiki was equally well known. The writer also claims that Sandro stalled on Pep's contract negotiations which as anybody who followed the process knows is patently untrue given that the contract negotiations started pretty much straight after the elections and only Pep's insistance of carrying on his habit of limiting his commitment to 12 months at a time caused a minor delay because the board wanted a greater commitment. As ever Tim Stannard's grasp on the truth is tenuous at best, he's entertaining as a writer but lacks the insight to be a proper journalist.
It's food for thought and in the grand scheme of things he is right though despite the little details .. things are not really that good on the other side

your statement shows that you count players as par their positions but if you analyse both Villa`s signing & di maria`s then just read what meta said . That`s the whole point,imo.

U mean like how Pedro played most of last season as a LW and scored all those goals from there but now he is suddenly useless ?

that's the analysis i should take into consideration ?

thanks but no thanks.. i'd rather say it like it is than be an idiot ..
 

barcetia

Mikrofonkåt
performance wise he wasen't as good as RW. he scored the goals, gave the assists but when he started matches he didn't look that good. when he was subbed in as LW he had the advantage because he was fresh, full of energy and his opponent was tired.

however, he did rape maicon in one inter game. but meta is kind of right. he's good as LW but he's excellent as RW.
 

Beast

The Observer
performance wise he wasen't as good as RW. he scored the goals, gave the assists but when he started matches he didn't look that good. when he was subbed in as LW he had the advantage because he was fresh, full of energy and his opponent was tired.

however, he did rape maicon in one inter game. but meta is kind of right. he's good as LW but he's excellent as RW.

So everyone was raving about Pedro scoring goals and assisting (some even said he was way better than Ibra ) but suddenly since signing Villa and this debate would make it look like you limited his chances for improvement (unless Ibra leave ) he is now useless as a LW?!the position he excelled in last season and scored in almost all competitions

you people are the biggest bunch of hypocrites i've ever came across :lol: it's very funny
 

Cule Angles

Visca el filòsof!
It's food for thought and in the grand scheme of things he is right though despite the little details .. things are not really that good on the other side

It's not really food for thought because most of the culés who contribute regularly on this forum are better informed about Barça issues than Tim Stannard is. We all know that this season will be a pivotal one in terms of the relationship between Pep and the new board but Rosell has demonstrated already that Pep has the final say on who comes into the team, in terms of who leaves, it is and always has been the board's prerogative to sell a player in order to balance the books. Whilst it's true to say that Mourinho has more freedom than any other recent madrid manager there is no supporting evidence for the claim that Pep is operating under conditions similar to those that Pellegrini et al had to suffer.
 

barcetia

Mikrofonkåt
So everyone was raving about Pedro scoring goals and assisting (some even said he was way better than Ibra ) but suddenly since signing Villa and this debate would make it look like you limited his chances for improvement (unless Ibra leave ) he is now useless as a LW?!the position he excelled in last season and scored in almost all competitions

you people are the biggest bunch of hypocrites i've ever came across :lol: it's very funny
is anyone in here denying that they are hypocrites when it comes to barca? i don't deny it but so are you. we all are slightly biased. like when you compare the signing of villa to di maria :lol:
that would be like someone signing Bojan and not letting him play, not reaching his full potential.

also, I think pedro is very good as LW. but he's much better as RW.
 

Beast

The Observer
It's not really food for thought because most of the culés who contribute regularly on this forum are better informed about Barça issues than Tim Stannard is. We all know that this season will be a pivotal one in terms of the relationship between Pep and the new board but Rosell has demonstrated already that Pep has the final say on who comes into the team, in terms of who leaves, it is and always has been the board's prerogative to sell a player in order to balance the books. Whilst it's true to say that Mourinho has more freedom than any other recent madrid manager there is no supporting evidence for the claim that Pep is operating under conditions similar to those that Pellegrini et al had to suffer.

Come on CA.. Pep said he didn't want to let Shagmisskey go but he had to to balance the books (something along those lines ) as told by Rosell
.. it's the same argument used last season when Perez sold Sneijder and Robben to balance the books

is anyone in here denying that they are hypocrites when it comes to barca? i don't deny it but so are you. we all are slightly biased. like when you compare the signing of villa to di maria :lol:
that would be like someone signing Bojan and not letting him play, not reaching his full potential.

also, I think pedro is very good as LW. but he's much better as RW.

It's exactly the same when you say signing Di Maria was a waste since we also bought Perdo Leon .. when did having a proper sub is a bad thing ? it's called strong bench
 

Aryagorn

Improvin' Perfection!!
Pedro is better on the RW than on the LW... His crosses had always been better coming from his right foot(he seems to be more natural with his right than with his left) but coming on as a sub to play in LF position he always had it easier against the tired defenders to find his way past them into the box and go for those explosive shots.


As a starter Pedro is miles ahead playing the RF as compared to playing the LF, period
 

Beast

The Observer
Pedro is better on the RW than on the LW... His crosses had always been better coming from his right foot(he seems to be more natural with his right than with his left) but coming on as a sub he always had it easier against the tired defenders to find his way past them into the box and go for those explosive shots.


As a starter Pedro is miles ahead playing the RF as compared to playing the LF, period
That's why he made all those assists and shots from the LF position :rolleyes:
 

barcetia

Mikrofonkåt
Come on CA.. Pep said he didn't want to let Shagmisskey go but he had to to balance the books (something along those lines ) as told by Rosell
.. it's the same argument used last season when Perez sold Sneijder and Robben to balance the books



It's exactly the same when you say signing Di Maria was a waste since we also bought Perdo Leon .. when did having a proper sub is a bad thing ? it's called strong bench
but what if the proper sub doesn't ever get to play? mourinho didn't play santon in inter, why would he play di maria?
 

Cule Angles

Visca el filòsof!
Come on CA.. Pep said he didn't want to let Shagmisskey go but he had to to balance the books (something along those lines ) as told by Rosell
.. it's the same argument used last season when Perez sold Sneijder and Robben to balance the books

I'm not disputing why Dimi was sold but if the books need balancing and we can sell a no-mark like the Ukranian for €15m to do so then the board has the right to do that.
 
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