Ronald Koeman

[Barcilliant]

Reaction from the Bayern game is a bit bizarre and over the top tbh. I think alot of people are in denial about where we are at the moment. So the defeat came as a shock. The club is in transition and we are in debt. We are levels below a team like Bayern at the moment and we currently do not have the personnel to compete with a team like that. Worse a lot of our attackers are out injured. We just need to be patient and work with what we have for now.

It's not that. Fans are sick of getting hammered in Europe. Sure OK we lose against Bayern but for the love of God at least be competitive. Nowadays we just expect to be hammered by any big team. It's pathetic. Teams used to shit themselves coming to the Nou Camp. Not anymore.

 

[Barcilliant]

Laporta exploded during the meeting with Koeman, Rafa Yuste, Alemany after the game yesterday. The next three games, which come in very quick successions, will decide Koeman?s future. If anything goes wrong, immediate action will be taken by the club.
@fansjavimiguel

Should have been straight with Koeman and sacked him. Its clear both parties weren't comfortable with each other. Koeman never forgot he didn't get the backing and our transfer business was shit. I think he just doesn't care anymore.

 

[Messigician]

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[Rassvet]

can we recall Pjanic from his loan once Koeman is sacked?

 

[iniestaGOAT]

It's not that. Fans are sick of getting hammered in Europe. Sure OK we lose against Bayern but for the love of God at least be competitive. Nowadays we just expect to be hammered by any big team. It's pathetic. Teams used to shit themselves coming to the Nou Camp. Not anymore.

We cant be compeitive or sneak out a win because our defense is the worst. Any small team and defend with 10 players and hope to get away with a 1-0 win we cant even do that.

 

[Mrgandalf]

Not gonna happen. Laporta is obsessed with anything about Cruyff, Barca DNA, Tiki Taka etc.

He was after Flick an not Xavi.

 

[behindbrowneyes]

Reaction from the Bayern game is a bit bizarre and over the top tbh. I think alot of people are in denial about where we are at the moment. So the defeat came as a shock. The club is in transition and we are in debt. We are levels below a team like Bayern at the moment and we currently do not have the personnel to compete with a team like that. Worse a lot of our attackers are out injured. We just need to be patient and work with what we have for now.

Think the fans would like the team to die in beauty rather than play a defensive, pragmatic set-up like Tuesday. That's something you expect from Valverde. Most fans of the club (not Messi-fanboys) rather see a completely unproven Demir in a 4-3-3 than a defensive 3-5-2 with zero shots on target. I think that's the main critique. I totally understand what Koeman tried to do with the selection of players that were available, but from someone who is proud for giving chances to youngsters you'd expect Demir to start and totally unproven Balde over sick Alba which is literally throwing them into very cold water. Some would say you burn them by doing that, others will say they'll get better and learn a lot in these games. Many fans feel approved in their view because Barca looked better after Koeman changed system and brought in Gavi, Demir and Coutinho. The fact that Bayern was already leading by 2 and less attacking and Barca still didn't manage to get a shot on target with that tactical changes isn't taken into consideration because it doesn't fit that narrative. However, I gotta admit that I myself enjoyed the last 30 minutes much more than the first hour.

I agree with everything you've written in your post though.

 

[behindbrowneyes]

We cant be compeitive or sneak out a win because our defense is the worst. Any small team and defend with 10 players and hope to get away with a 1-0 win we cant even do that.

In hindsight the team did better defensively than I expected it tbh. Going behind by a deflected shot from outside the box is just unlucky. Neither their 2nd nor 3rd goal were beautiful goals but 2nd balls after hitting the bar. However, the 0-1 pretty much made Koeman's tactics reluctant as we weren't in the game attacking-wise and there is no way in protecting your goal at all costs after being 1 goal behind. This might work for teams that are great at set pieces, but that's not Barca. Memphis and De Jong were as disconnected from the rest of the team as Messi and Suarez at Anfield. Barca is not a team to play with only 2 forwards and still be dangerous in front of the goal.

 

[mc_lovin]

Think the fans would like the team to die in beauty rather than play a defensive, pragmatic set-up like Tuesday.

First of all I absolute loathe his 352, but my biggest problem was him starting Luuk instead of Demir/Coutinho. One barely arrived in the team and is an absolute misfit against high pressing teams. The setup would still have been defensive, pragmatic and so on, but not soul crushing.

 

[behindbrowneyes]

First of all I absolute loathe his 352, but my biggest problem was him starting Luuk instead of Demir/Coutinho. One barely arrived in the team and is an absolute misfit against high pressing teams. The setup would still have been defensive, pragmatic and so on, but not soul crushing.

Haha I totally understand you, but to put things into perspective: Koeman had the choice between
- Demir that is completely unproven on that level with just 28 minutes of football this season
- Coutinho without game practice coming back from an injury that sidelined him for almost a year
- Luuk who was signed on deadline day who had maybe one training with the squad as most of the players were travelling around with their national teams

Not gonna say he made the right choice, but from all those options there was hardly a no-brainer among them. Koeman probably hoped for the Dutch chemistry between the De Jongs and Memphis or believed that Luuk will head in one of Memphis' setpieces the latter indeed is very good at taking.

 

[Messi983]

For the love of God please hire a world class manager. I don't want another Barca DNA manager like Cruyff or Xavi. I just want someone who knows what he's doing.
We just never seem to learn. It's baffling. If you have great players they can cover some flaws but eventually they also get found out if the manager doesn't know what he's doing.
We don't have any great players now so we need a great manager who will get the best out of the current squad.

Like who? No proven and smart coach would want to come even close to the team in this state. Maybe in 2023 when our beloved captains will hopefully all leave and if kids like Ansu, Pedri&Co. will develop while our finances will also be better we'll again be able to bring a good coach but by then we have no hope. Clubs like Arsenal and Tottenham have more pulling power for coaches these days with all the money they have. Not that we will consider anyone who is not a former player, a manager with La Liga experience or a Dutch coach anyway.

Could be wrong but think Laporta will target Ten Hag next year (Jordi Cruyff will probably become interim manager if Koeman is sacked). Not totally convinced by him but should be an improvement over Koeman. Also think Laporta could bring Overmars as a SD as well. Think Alemany was brought in to help us through the crisis in first year (knowing how to deal with that from his times in Valencia) but trying to build a new team would need a SD who has experience with that. Surely Ajax is usually a developing and selling club while Barca is a buying club but in our current situation in coming years we should do similar to what Ajax is doing (without the selling part). Scout well, bring in talented players for cheap before they go to another clubs and become either more expensive or not available at all and develop them alongside our own La Masia kids. When finances improves we'll surely also bring some more expensive "stars" (which is ok as long as they'll fit into the team and bring what's needed) but that's the way to go and succeed longterm. We've seen you don't get anywhere by constantly overpaying for players.

 

[JohnN]

It's good he didn't choose Coutinho to start. Of course he is miles better than LDJ, but this was a lost match from the beginning. He didn't want to risk Coutinho with another injury.
About demir, the boy is not on a physical level to compete with fully grown men, and it could be really ugly to play him from the start. In my opinion, LDJ should just be left on the bench, and put another midfield player (Puig) from the start.

 

[Messi983]

It's good he didn't choose Coutinho to start. Of course he is miles better than LDJ, but this was a lost match from the beginning. He didn't want to risk Coutinho with another injury.
About demir, the boy is not on a physical level to compete with fully grown men, and it could be really ugly to play him from the start. In my opinion, LDJ should just be left on the bench, and put another midfield player (Puig) from the start.

 

[mc_lovin]

Demir and Gavi are physically superior to Puig

But for a guy who's main talking point is youth starting Luuk instead of Demir was pretty damn horrible. Coutinho I can understand.

 

[iniestaGOAT]

In hindsight the team did better defensively than I expected it tbh. Going behind by a deflected shot from outside the box is just unlucky. Neither their 2nd nor 3rd goal were beautiful goals but 2nd balls after hitting the bar. However, the 0-1 pretty much made Koeman's tactics reluctant as we weren't in the game attacking-wise and there is no way in protecting your goal at all costs after being 1 goal behind. This might work for teams that are great at set pieces, but that's not Barca. Memphis and De Jong were as disconnected from the rest of the team as Messi and Suarez at Anfield. Barca is not a team to play with only 2 forwards and still be dangerous in front of the goal.

Nah bro, they were deflected goals but they had coutnless other opportunities to score. The defense was shambles. They were playing around in the box too many times, even rejects like sane were having a field day. Men against boys.