Sandro Rosell

[Super Pippo]

What means minging?

Anyway, the point I was getting it is not wether you agree with the action or not, but Rosell is lying. Wether you take what he means as buildable or financially achievable, eithe way "impossible" is not true. The best living architect does not design things that cannot be built, and there must be money for it as he is still going ahead with most of the works cost - the roof, + 2 new arenas. Impossible is not true, he doesn't want to is.

I still believe its the wrong decission to cancel the Foster project anyway.

Btw, St Jordi only has a handfull of music events through the year since the forum opened at the end of diagonal, comparable to what the Camp Nou does during the summer months. Its an excellent facility, large and available at a good price as its something of a white elephant and Montjuic park is dormant since Espanyol left. It's ideal, no need for a new arena at all. Its just the vanity of wanting the keys of it.

 

[spursandbarca]

look at his proposal dont make general statements.

400 million would bankrupt the club look what happened to Valencia. I certainly dont want to be selling messi to finance a stupid stadium that would then be half empty.

 

[Cule Angles]

I think the desire is to keep all elements of Barca united within the same complex in the Les Corts district and I sympathise with that, at least that way all the facilities in terms of ticketing, membership support etc. are all on the same site, I don't think cutting off the non-football sections and exiling them to Montjuic would be within the spirit of Barcelonisme. I fully back the plans of Benedito, Rosell and Ingla to prioritise a new Palau because I believes it's what my club needs ahead of any other improvements to the club infrastructure

 

[Super Pippo]

look at his proposal dont make general statements.

400 million would bankrupt the club look what happened to Valencia. I certainly dont want to be selling messi to finance a stupid stadium that would then be half empty.

Sorry I forgot you were best pals with him, flicking your wet towels at each other as you leave the sauna, lovely stuff...

What did I get wrong? He still wants to upgrade the interior of Camp Nou and add a roof, as well as build 2 new basket ball arenas, can't be far off that total, if not more actually.

Valencia situation is entirely different.

 

[Cule Angles]

Cost of a new Palau would be €50m apparently Pippo, don't know if that helps you. Lovely description of Sandro and Spurs though, however I fear you underestimate how close their relationship actually is

 

[Super Pippo]

I'm happy to hear you thing its a sharade as well then.

50M€ is not alot for a new, large, presumably state of the art arena to be honest, even at post crisis prices. In context, our office just completed a municipal swimming pool and gymnasium for a small town, that came to just under 20M€. It was nice enough, but nothing special. I'd love to see what kind of arena you can build for that, maybe he is planning on making it from plywood or something.

I understand your point about centralising the club facilities. For me its no bad thing to broaden the facilities across the whole city which the club represents, especially somewhere special like Montjuic. But I understand the conveniance aspect also.

 

[Cule Angles]

Well the Badalona "pabellon" (used by DKV Joventut) didn't cost much less in 1992, so the estimate surprises me as well.

 

[jake]

Rosell made some statements against the recruitment of african youth players into the cantera

http://www.goear.com/listen/8e0b428/sandro-contra-los-africanos-de-la-cantera-sandro-rosell

for people who don't speak spanish: rosell says in the audio that it's not a good idea to bring african youth players to barcelona because they have fake birth certificates and because they take the places of the local youth players.
with time going by they would also lose the physical advantage they have and they then often have to be send back which has an impact on their families.

I think this generalisation is somewhat questionable, but he does have a point somehow, because he is in favour of a better regualtion system in the countries were the players are from

 

[beef-supreme]

Rosell made some statements against the recruitment of african youth players into the cantera

http://www.goear.com/listen/8e0b428/sandro-contra-los-africanos-de-la-cantera-sandro-rosell

for people who don't speak spanish: rosell says in the audio that it's not a good idea to bring african youth players to barcelona because they have fake birth certificates and because they take the places of the local youth players.
with time going by they would also lose the physical advantage they have and they then often have to be send back which has an impact on their families.

I think this generalisation is somewhat questionable, but he does have a point somehow, because he is in favour of a better regualtion system in the countries were the players are from

I've heard quite a lot about the birth certificate problem, with many African kids possessing certificates pushing their age back several years. So I sort of see what he means here.

 

[Cule Angles]

I don't have an issue with what he says because the concerns are valid, no doubt certain people will start screaming "racism" but it's quite right to point out that if a 15 year old African arrives at Barça claiming to be 12 and is entered into the Aleví side he is going to look a lot better and stronger than those around him and yet his development won't be in line with that of somebody who is actually 12. By the time the situation has run its course a local player has been denied the chance to attend La Masia and the unfortunate young African is left with no livelihood and no accommodation in a foreign country whilst his family is thousands of miles away. I don't think Barça should be going down that route and Sandro is right to voice a concern.

 

[spursandbarca]

Sorry I forgot you were best pals with him, flicking your wet towels at each other as you leave the sauna, lovely stuff...

What did I get wrong? He still wants to upgrade the interior of Camp Nou and add a roof, as well as build 2 new basket ball arenas, can't be far off that total, if not more actually.

Valencia situation is entirely different.

give me a break. the fact that I have supported him from day 1 because yes he is the best man for the job. again I have met him once through a project. I am friends with 1 of the vice presidents and have got to know someone in the social area of his campaign well(we will leave it at that).

again I agree with what he has said. it is the same in certain latin american countries and in the caribbean. I mean there were basbell players with ages 10 years off.

the foster project is ridiuclous. unemployment in spain is 22%. the last thing the club needs to be doing is spending 400 million euros on some project that doesnt bring anymore revenue. rosells plan makes sense, is economically viable, helps with regeneration of the les corts area,and increases revenue. we are not talking about amaeteurs here, Rosell knows exactly what he is doing.

 

[Cule Angles]

One to consider???? a quote from Jordi Cardoner speaking on RAC1

"We think that the idea of unlimited growth promoted by the board was socially not correct. It would have been terrible if we today would have had 750.000 or 1.000.000 club members as was mentioned back then. We think that we should put a stop to the growth so that the current members really could enjoy the benefits of being a member.

What we will do is announce a period of three months during which everyone who isn't yet a member can make the decision of becoming it. After that period, only two groups could become a member: family members in the first of second degree of a member or children who would be given the chance to grow up with the club."

How does that impact on a few people on here who may have been fans for a number of years, been to games but never got round to getting soci status?

Previously Sandro has taked about "regulating" the membership.....

"We have already 3.000-4.000 Japanese club members, which is good but one day we could have 50.000. Or 50.000 Chinese or 50.000 Russians, it's the same. And those 50.000 Russians could one day decide that the president of Barça would be a Russian"

Is the issue here a threat to the democracy of the club?

This for me is a game changer and I'll offer up these two quotes from the barca elections blog, one by myself and another by a different contributor, who is admittedly fairly anti-Rosell, in reply to my message.

I joined Barca as a member in 2005 (at the height of El Gran Repte) when I moved to the city as a student, and continuing as a member since then has served as a strong emotional bond with the club. If I had arrived in the city back then to discover that I had to be somebody's son to become a member I think I may have lost a lot of respect for Barca as an institution and I doubt whether having moved back to England since then if my friends and I would have gone on to found the Penya we run. People underestimate just how powerful a tool of integration Barca is in Catalan society, transforming membership into an exclusive clique, albeit a large one, won't do the club any favours in my opinion

Basically: when this cap would have been put in place 6 years ago, you would never in your life have been able to become a member. In the future, people like you with the same background and the same love for he club but just a few years younger will never have that chance if Rosell is elected as president.

And which affect will this have on foreign penyas? It will be extremely hard to get the necesary socis together to form a penya abroad. And a lot of the existing ones will just die out.

In general, at this time of globalization, it's so terribly wrong to close the club while we should do the opposite. Socis and penyas are the best ambassadors of Barça (and Catalonia!) abroad. This whole idea is so bad.

Given the policy of closing the door to new members of the club I cannot vote for Sandro Rosell and I shall instead be supporting Marc Ingla at the election.

 

[Valon]

Wtf, closing the door to new members is a big slap in the face. I thought he wanted to improve the relationship with fans not make it worse?

 

[beef-supreme]

Lol better sign up quick then

 

[jake]

I agree that his proposed plan to limit the new memberships is less than ideal.
But I have to agree that in order to strengthen the democratic power of the members, some sort of limit has to be put in place.
Better to have a strong united group than a thin spread disjointed one, that keeps growing unhindered.