serghei
Senior Member
Of course they met the rules, that's the entire point. The IOC didn't tested her and used her passport instead of a chromosome test. Laughable.
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Of course they met the rules, that's the entire point. The IOC didn't tested her and used her passport instead of a chromosome test. Laughable.
delancey
Senior Member
From a scientific perspective, both male and female?
Gnidrologist
Senior Member
That is yet to be proven. When proven, then yes okay.
serghei
Senior Member
The penis part is not absolutely key in the issue. As in, if she has a vagina she's all cleared. No.
If she has Y chromosome in her cells, that brings gender advantages that women don't have. Even if she has a vagina, she should be banned if she fails chromosome testing.
Actually, the penis itself is not what makes men superior genetically to women in sports.
Blood test is best indicator. IBA played this spot on, as their ban has been final and unchallenged. The issue is IOC did not test them on this key indicator at all, and only used superficial arguments like how the athletes identify themselves. That, for me is irrelevant, and mostly a social argument, not a sporting one.
Gnidrologist
Senior Member
Well, if it has male genitals, it would be the primary disqualifying factor anyway. Can spare time to check the chromosomes right after that.
serghei
Senior Member
In this sense, yes, it's valid. If she has a penis then it also makes her an absolute fraud. She's a transgender in that case, a biological male.
Point is IOC didn't test at all. All their arguments have been political bla-blas about how she identifies herself, how she has been raised as, and the gender printed on her passport. Very weak line of reasoning for such a vital subject as women competitive sports.
The IBA did test and made their decisions on lab blood tests, far above nonsense politics as far as arguments go.
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serghei
Senior Member
By far the only logical conclusion. But, it's tough to make a separate category out of some outlier cases. So, it is an injustice in the end, but at least it's the injustice and randomness of nature and biology, not a man-made injustice.
It's the best you can do really.
As far as I know the IBA have been inconclusive about what tests were carried out and have refused to release results because of confidentiality.
At their latest presser last week they seated that they didn't test and have no results for the chromosomes.
Taiwan are livid and offering legal council for their athlete (as Algeria for theirs). Said they run all tests which their athlete has passed.
Meanwhile another school in Palestine was bombed btw. 70 dead.
Pick your battles eh.
At their latest presser last week they seated that they didn't test and have no results for the chromosomes.
Taiwan are livid and offering legal council for their athlete (as Algeria for theirs). Said they run all tests which their athlete has passed.
Meanwhile another school in Palestine was bombed btw. 70 dead.
Pick your battles eh.
serghei
Senior Member
But their results have been accepted by the athletes in question and remained final and decisive. One of them didn't even appeal it, the other didn't carry through.
So... IBA disqualification is unquestionable for me. The issue is that the other organism ICO, didn't do any testing in that direction. If they did, they probably reach the same conclusion as IBA.
If IBA didn't have any test results and disqualified the athletes based on nothing, it's an easy CAS appeal and win. So the big question is why the athletes themselves accepted the disqualification as valid? Them entering Olympics is not based on different results in tests, but on the absence of such testing in the first place.
Curious on what is gonna happen at the next Boxing events. IOC doesn't have any power outside of Olympics.
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DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
Amazing how people believe a country like Algeria would allow someone who's got XY chromosomes which is a disputed report btw, or a man, go to the Olympics for them.
They wouldn't even allow that type of person to leave their country.
The IBA won't even confirm what type of tests they did or how they did those. The IBA banned the Algerian after a Russian boxer got beat. That's how this garbage even started. There's no shred of evidence they even did any tests.
Why would the IOC do any tests when her gender was never disputed prior to a Russian boxer getting beat and the IBA banning her whilst not sharing any of the reports or tests they did? The same IBA which moved most of their operations to Russia and got a Russian chairman?
They wouldn't even allow that type of person to leave their country.
The IBA won't even confirm what type of tests they did or how they did those. The IBA banned the Algerian after a Russian boxer got beat. That's how this garbage even started. There's no shred of evidence they even did any tests.
Why would the IOC do any tests when her gender was never disputed prior to a Russian boxer getting beat and the IBA banning her whilst not sharing any of the reports or tests they did? The same IBA which moved most of their operations to Russia and got a Russian chairman?
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